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Posted by DRUMS01 on Tuesday, January 8, 2019 6:03 PM

I hate myself... and this kit too!.... 

Just kidding, but so far I've managed to booger up the PE for both of the rear range finders and some of the hand rail around them. And yes, that includes both the kit and after-market PE parts that replaced them Angry. I ended up spending 4 hours on the range finders alone because of loosing parts shooting off the trees, loosing PE pieces, finding bent PE peices and working to straighten them, walking away from all of it, going back and messing it up more, finding some of the wee tiny pieces that shot off the trees, walking away from it all (again), coming back and salvaging what I could from them.  The problem with it all being in one spot is that it stands out even more Bang Head. I hope I got the PE meltdown behind me now..... If not, at least I have identified one of my modeling limitations Tongue Tied... I may try to scratch build my own arrays for the range finders (can't get any worse)....

I've managed to get the remainder of the PE and parts added to the main deck successfully (yippee!). If anyone watching has ever built a similar Trumpter kit, you know that what I am about to say is true. Many, and I mean MANY of the parts, including much of the PE, could've been molded as one piece of plastic versus a front, back, top, and PE face, all combined being 1/8 inch in size. And lets not forget trying to add cross hair gun sights to 1/350 scale guns Huh?, etc.. Some of the doors are molded on the plastic while others are PE to be glued (near the ones that are molded(??). Some storage boxes have the doors and hinge molded on while others require separate PE faces to show the door detail. I could also go on and talk about the 1/4" sprue connectors that are holding a 1/32" part (?).... but I will leave it alone Devil.

On the up side of things, I think that all of the PE on the various gun assemblies are done too. I am leaving them off until the main painting is done. I may also want to detail paint some of the guns to bring out the PE as well. 

I am coming to the conclusion that between my eyesight and unsteady hands, this is a little much for me. Not one to accept defeat, I will push on and finish her to the best of my ability. Photos soon I hope, ....wish me luck....

Ben 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Friday, January 4, 2019 10:15 PM

Those barrels and Pom Poms look fantastic Ben.

DRUMS01
I am not looking forward to the P.E. masts and radar 

I stop at the radar di-poles

Steve

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Posted by DRUMS01 on Friday, January 4, 2019 6:28 PM

Thanks modelcrazy..., and 1/600 P.E.? good luck, not for me Bish...

Continuing with my build, here are some more of the P.E. assemblies

swapping the kit 40mm plastic barrels for the brass ones (they even have a hole at the end, about the size of a pin tip). It was very small work, but they look much better than the kit. The Xacto knife is there to show scale.

Here they are completed:

And these are the quad pom-poms with thier P.E.. Looks like one of the sights got bent, I will fix that prior to final assembly.

I am not looking forward to the P.E. masts and radar Censored

Ben

 

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, January 2, 2019 5:45 PM

Ben, all I use is and xacto blade to cut them off, and various tweezers to handle and bend them. I'll get a pic of the tweezwes and post it. Some of them are ideal for the work.

Steve

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Posted by scottrc on Wednesday, January 2, 2019 1:36 PM

DRUMS01

When researching the color scheme for the HMS Roberts, I have found that it had several different patterns to its camouflage:

1) The traditional camo used during Normandy (also what is shown in the box guide)

 

2) Solid light gray (I believe it was while in the Med. (45 Malta) through 65 when scrapped.

 

3) This unique scheme, not sure when; perhaps when commissioned? (looking at the immaculate hull). All side surfaces appear to be near a gunship gray with dark gray decks and the top of the masts in white. This kind of reminds me of the US ships, like the Airzona (?)....

I am not sure which one I will do since most are done using the method in #1. But I also like the three tone of #3. What direction do you all think I should go?

Ben

 

This is a neat subject that I did not know existed until Trumpeter released the kit.

My vote is for #1. 

I do like the pic in #2 with the ship laid up in Ordinary. 

Great job!

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, January 2, 2019 2:48 AM

Ben, some very nice work there. I have to say, i am really looking for to doing the belfast and trying out PE at 1/600, thats going to be so much fun Bang Head

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by DRUMS01 on Wednesday, January 2, 2019 1:10 AM

Steve, do you have a PE bender or special kit just for PE? I have been using razor knives, tweezers, jewelers needle nose pliers, and a metal file.

Some of the PE supplied with the kit was so fragile I could bent it by blowing air on it. It is almost like trying to use metal cooking foil as PE material. I am glad I purchase a large group of after-market PE her her. One bad piece for me was the range finder antenna turrets; the kit material was almost weaker that human hair while the after-market worked rather well. Some of the factory stairways are really difficult too...

Just saying....

Ben

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Posted by modelcrazy on Tuesday, January 1, 2019 8:54 PM

Yeah, I know about the PE Pom Poms. I have 5 more to do for the POW. That's what has slowed me down on it for now.

Steve

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Posted by DRUMS01 on Tuesday, January 1, 2019 8:13 PM

I have not shown anything for awhile, so here is a little progress achieved during the holidays

This is the rear 8 gun pom-pom; it has 15 PE pieces (I will fix what looks a little bent PE prior to final add and paint).

And some of the basic assemblies

This PE stuff is like trying to file claws on rabbid fleas! 

Still trying my best....

Ben

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Posted by modelcrazy on Tuesday, January 1, 2019 12:49 PM

#3 does look like early American Battleships Huh?

I vote for #1 however it looks like some work. Number #2 is cool with all that rust and weathering. I'd make a dio with it, but I make dios with all my ships.

Steve

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Posted by DRUMS01 on Tuesday, January 1, 2019 10:37 AM

When researching the color scheme for the HMS Roberts, I have found that it had several different patterns to its camouflage:

1) The traditional camo used during Normandy (also what is shown in the box guide)

 

2) Solid light gray (I believe it was while in the Med. (45 Malta) through 65 when scrapped.

 

3) This unique scheme, not sure when; perhaps when commissioned? (looking at the immaculate hull). All side surfaces appear to be near a gunship gray with dark gray decks and the top of the masts in white. This kind of reminds me of the US ships, like the Airzona (?)....

I am not sure which one I will do since most are done using the method in #1. But I also like the three tone of #3. What direction do you all think I should go?

Ben

 

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, December 27, 2018 11:31 PM

DRUMS01
Some of my questions regarding this kit; - Why does Trumpter vaccum seal an adheisive clear plastic on both sides of thier photoetch? - Is it that way in all thier kits? - Is there a secret way to remove it without damaging any of the delicate PE parts? Thank you in advance for the responses as I do not want to "booger" this kit up...

The only thing that I have been able to come up with is it's protection of the delicate parts during transport. Yes, a PIA to remove. I will usually pull one side like I would masking tape and leave the other on. I will remove the parts from the other sticky side as I need them. In a way, it's nice it keep from getting lost or bent.

Steve

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Posted by DRUMS01 on Thursday, December 27, 2018 10:48 PM

modelcrazy, YES she is rather plump. As I understand it, the monitor class ship was designed that way to be more stable both at sea and when firing the big gun. The shallow draft was also part of the design to allow her access to locations that many other fighting ships could not go because of thier high water line. 

Some of my questions regarding this kit;

- Why does Trumpter vaccum seal an adheisive clear plastic on both sides of thier photoetch?

- Is it that way in all thier kits?

- Is there a secret way to remove it without damaging any of the delicate PE parts?

Thank you in advance for the responses as I do not want to "booger" this kit up...

v/r,

Ben

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, December 27, 2018 9:42 PM

Bravo Ben, nice start. The gap in the hull sounds like a common problem with Trumpy kits but it looks like you have it under control. I agree with your friend, the brass barrels look much cleaner and to scale for a 15 inch gun.

Fat little sucker ain't she. Makes her more stable as a gun platform and she didn't have to worry about traversing the Panama Canal.

Steve

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Posted by DRUMS01 on Thursday, December 27, 2018 6:51 PM

FINALLY, I am able to post something for my GB. Just a reminder, I am building a Trumpter 1/350 HMS "Roberts", Monitor class ship. Here is a short history:

CREATION:

HMS Roberts was a Royal Navy Roberts class monitor of WW2. Built in April 1940, launched April 1941, and completed on 27 October 1941. She reused the twin 15-inch gun turret of the First World War monitor Marshal Soult.

SERVICE HISTORY:

The HMS Roberts provided bombardment support during Operation Torch in North Africa, where she was damaged by two 500 kg (1,100 lb) bombs. She was repaired in time to support Operation Husky (the invasion of Sicily) and the Allied landings near Salerno during Operation Avalanche. During the D-Day Landings, she was positioned off Sword Beach. She also took part in the Walcheren (Island) Operations. In July 1945 HMS Roberts departed the United Kingdom for the Indian Ocean to support Operation Mailfist, the planned liberation of Singapore. She was near Port Said at the time the Japanese surrendered, but was not recalled until 11 September by which time she had reached Kenya. After the war she was retired, sold for scrap, but later re-used. She was broken up in July 1965. One of Roberts' main guns is mounted outside the Imperial War Museum in Lambeth, south London. 

THE KIT: (in part from the IPMS Review, and my injections)

Upon opening the box, one is impressed with the 540 plus parts that are very nicely packaged. These parts include a two-piece hull (left and right), a one-piece deck, three PE sheets of parts, a length of brass anchor chain, and a small decal sheet with two White Ensigns. The instruction booklet is 16 pages long, and there is a full color painting guide.

Great care is needed in just removing the injection parts from the sprue, as many of the attachment points are much, much thicker than the part. There was no flash to speak of, but there were mold seam lines to deal with on many parts, which can be tedious given the size of some of them. Speaking of the instructions, they are the typical Trumpeter fare with pictures of parts flying above the general vicinity with a vague arrow indicating the general location of where they go.

THE BUILD:

Since my pervious post already shown the contents, I am beginning my build here.The first assembly , like most ships, was the hull. It does not deviate from most other Trumpter kits so the hull is in two halves. Prior to joining them you have to attach the front and rear guide pins as well as three bulkheads (which also have guide slots). If you have not built one of these before you would immediately notice how tight the bulkhead pieces fit between the halves. Likewise you would also note the not so tight fit of both halves, leaving a seam to fill in the hull.

One very annoying issue was how the hull strakes (?) were molded. They are very delicate but had 6 very large 1/8-1/4 sprue connections holding them in place over compound corners. While I was carefull, I still created some blemishes that needed filler to clean them up. I have read in other reviews where they were ruined or not applied at all because of the difficulty in removing them from the sprue.

I decided to jump the instruction sequence to work on main assemblies (so I can paint them together during the hull camouflage). The next assembly was of the main gun turret. The kit provides two plastic barrel options; one without the simulated canvas covers that allowed them to move and the other which had the simulated canvas which kept the guns in a static position. At the recommendation of a friend, I purchased the after-market metal turned replacements. They were designed to fit into either barrel choice by cutting the plastic barrel off, drilling a hole and mounting the metal barrels using mounting pins. I'm glad I purchased them as the plastic barrels holes were not centered in the barrels (and the barrels looked "fat" in comparison). I chose the canvas bag/static barrel option.

Here is the completed assembly resting in the gun turret.

When looking at the various pieces and size of the P.E., I am questioining my ability to add it all to the ship, but will do my best. Some of the parts were infinitesimal, measuring 2x3 mm, and some PE parts not much thicker than a human hair. 

The next update should show the painted hull and start of the main deck... till then.

Ben

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Posted by scottrc on Sunday, December 9, 2018 10:00 AM

Thank you JackBig Smile

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Posted by jgeratic on Sunday, December 9, 2018 9:25 AM

Scott, excellent job on that Warspite, and I like how you have it displayed - it's simple but still quite effective in portraying the massiveness of this battleship.  Yes

 

regards,

Jack

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Posted by scottrc on Sunday, December 9, 2018 8:47 AM

Revell 1/96 Constitution.  

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, December 9, 2018 7:23 AM

scottrc

Steve, Thanks, I look forward to the American GB. 

I used this build to enhance techniques using both stretch sprue and monofiliment.  There are a number of builders on MWS that just blow me away with what they do with the stuff and have posted some practicums.  I am at my first baby steps in regards to where I want to be with this skillset.

Meanwhile, I may be taking a break from other model projects to finish up this old gal and really hone in on some rigging skills.  Its going on 10 years work in process and she really needs to be finished up and put in a case.  

 

Bish, Thank you sir for the kind compliments and your support.

 

Now that is simply stunning, i would not even know where to start with one of those. Look forwrad to seeing that finished, what ship is it.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by scottrc on Sunday, December 9, 2018 7:10 AM

Steve, Thanks, I look forward to the American GB. 

I used this build to enhance techniques using both stretch sprue and monofiliment.  There are a number of builders on MWS that just blow me away with what they do with the stuff and have posted some practicums.  I am at my first baby steps in regards to where I want to be with this skillset.

Meanwhile, I may be taking a break from other model projects to finish up this old gal and really hone in on some rigging skills.  Its going on 10 years work in process and she really needs to be finished up and put in a case.  

 

Bish, Thank you sir for the kind compliments and your support.

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, December 9, 2018 5:53 AM

Scott, really nicely done, that is deffo one to be proud of. Was a pleasure watching this come together.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Saturday, December 8, 2018 10:31 PM

Beautiful job on that old gal scott, cracking job Beer The rigging looks grand! What did you use? Thank you for joining in and I hope you're game for the American build in Aug.

I got you posted on the front page and you get a quote from Rear-Admiral Ben Bryant.

“The dangers of the sea should always take precedence
over the violence of the enemy”

Raise the Jack mate!

Steve

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Posted by scottrc on Saturday, December 8, 2018 7:08 PM

I've broke anchor and her commissioning pennant is raised.  The HMS Warspite in now complete and I add another GB to my roster.  Thank you Steve for hosting it.  The first pic can be used to post on the first page.  

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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, December 6, 2018 11:30 AM

Scott, there's plenty of time, as long as you started during the 2 year period, you have as long as you need to complet your build. You more that meet that criteria.

Balloons Get well my old friend.

Steve

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, December 6, 2018 8:56 AM

You might be be finished yet Scott, but that is still very impressive. Always amazers me what you guys do with these ships.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by scottrc on Thursday, December 6, 2018 7:52 AM

This kit has been a good test bed for me to try some techniques with both stretch sprue and monofiliment.  Problem I'm having now is that I'm still fighting this sinus infection and am taunted by the unexpected sneeze than seems to pop up right when I am at a delicate moment.   Work has been delayed once again. 

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Posted by Mopar Madness on Monday, December 3, 2018 4:52 PM

Scott, that rigging is sure coming along.  The only thing that is really delaying my build is the thought of rigging the ship!   

Chad

God, Family, Models...

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On deck: Who knows!

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, December 3, 2018 4:27 PM

It' looking super Scott. I'm looking forward to the completed rigging. 

I'm in a similar boat, so to speak, with the POW. My new job, settling in a new schedule and other commitments have me putting her aside for the moment. I'll get back on her after I get a few things off the bench, probably around Feb. I don't believe I'm joining any more GB's until I get a few things off the bench. 

Steve

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Posted by scottrc on Monday, December 3, 2018 1:19 PM

21 days later and I really thought I would be done by now.

But no, between family commitments, work, and then spending this weekend on my back with an inner ear infection, I am now down to rigging the foremast.

Here are updated pics as of today,

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Posted by scottrc on Monday, November 12, 2018 11:28 AM

Thanks guys, I am looking forward to finishing it, but also have been really enjoying this build.  These old battleships have some pretty unusual details.

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