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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, August 13, 2020 7:23 PM

Chris, to the best of my knowlage except for bow/stern waves and the black white & stripes on the Bismarck I don't believe the Germans used white in there camo. I'm sure with some thought I could come up with other examples. I believe the color you would be looking for is Grauweiss (Grey White). I don't think the Tirpitz in it's splinter camo used white either. The bow and stern of that scheme looks to be Grauweiss as well.

I could be wrong though.

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Posted by Marcus McBean on Friday, August 14, 2020 6:53 AM

modelcrazy

Chris, to the best of my knowlage except for bow/stern waves and the black white & stripes on the Bismarck I don't believe the Germans used white in there camo. I'm sure with some thought I could come up with other examples. I believe the color you would be looking for is Grauweiss (Grey White). I don't think the Tirpitz in it's splinter camo used white either. The bow and stern of that scheme looks to be Grauweiss as well.

I could be wrong though.

 

I have Volume 1 & 2 on German Naval Camouflage from 1939-1945 and Steve you are correct about the camo schemes.  They only used white paint for bow/stern waves.  Tirpitz did have white paint stripes beneath the ladders of A and D turret so the crew could find their way in darkness and bad weather.  The white stripe was applied in the May-June 1941 refit but removed sometime before 23 September 1941 while getting ready for operations against the Soviet Navy. 

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Posted by Marcus McBean on Friday, August 14, 2020 6:54 AM

modelcrazy

Chris, to the best of my knowlage except for bow/stern waves and the black white & stripes on the Bismarck I don't believe the Germans used white in there camo. I'm sure with some thought I could come up with other examples. I believe the color you would be looking for is Grauweiss (Grey White). I don't think the Tirpitz in it's splinter camo used white either. The bow and stern of that scheme looks to be Grauweiss as well.

I could be wrong though.

 

I have Volume 1 & 2 on German Naval Camouflage from 1939-1945 and Steve you are correct about the camo schemes.  They only used white paint for bow/stern waves.  Tirpitz did have white paint stripes beneath the ladders of A and D turret so the crew could find their way in darkness and bad weather.  The white stripe was applied in the May-June 1941 refit but removed sometime before 23 September 1941 while getting ready for operations against the Soviet Navy. 

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Posted by retdfeuerwehr on Sunday, August 16, 2020 1:11 PM
I'd like to participate....I'm working on three scratchbuilt 1/350 German WW2 vessels: 1. Commerce raider "Atlantis" 2. Commerce raider "Pinguin" 3. Sperrbrecher w/ S-100 Schnellboot
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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, August 17, 2020 7:28 AM

No problem retfeuerwehr,

Did you want me to put you down for all three?

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Posted by docidle on Tuesday, August 18, 2020 4:42 PM

Bish

Looks good there Steve. Drilling those holes is the one thing i wish i had done on mine.

 

I agree Bish, it really does make a difference. I'll be posting the other holes I drilled out.

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Posted by docidle on Tuesday, August 18, 2020 4:44 PM

modelcrazy

Seriously! Revell didn't make a sight for it? I'm glad there are AM creators that think of such things. The Pontos set for the Bismarck is around £175, pricy but contains probably everything missing from the kit.

Steve, I like that tube idea, like installing a pressure hull behind the limber holes on a sub.

 

Steve,

I agree completely. I also didn't want to see through to the other side and have light coming through.

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by docidle on Tuesday, August 18, 2020 4:51 PM

Marcus McBean

Steve,

Just seen the post in the other thread of the GB being moved here.  Repeat, I would like to enter the ICM Kronprinz  1/350 scale ship in the group build.  Along with the kit I have two PE sets, one from White Ensign and the other from Gold Metal Model, along with metal barrels from RB models.  There most likely will be the odd and end PE added to enhance detail I believe will need enhancing. 

I should be able to start the build sometime in September once I clear the dry dock of another build. 

Marcus Beer

 

I'm really looking forward to your build Marcus. I have the Konig in the stash but haven't purchased the PE or barrels yet. I purchased turrets from Micro Master for the Dreadnought and they look great. Here are some turrets for the Konig class. 

Steve

https://www.shapeways.com/product/26XKGJGNB/1-350-konig-class-30-5cm-12-quot-sk-l-50-guns-x5?optionId=113088267&li=shops

 

       

 

 

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Posted by docidle on Tuesday, August 18, 2020 4:52 PM

TheMongoose

This is going to look really cool!

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by docidle on Tuesday, August 18, 2020 5:05 PM

A small update but well worth the effort.

Using the fold out plans from the Kagero book, I was able to locate and drill out the last holes at the bow section needed on this boat. I then used my Chopper to slice little tiny frames and glue them on. I REALLY like the Chopper by the way, it has proven to be well worth the cost.

And finally I glued the hull halves together, although I am now wishing that I hadn't. I'm planning to drill out the forward part of the torpedo tube hatches and add tubing behind them to add depth and to locate one of the torpedos inside. It probably would have been immensely easier to drill these with the hull seperated...

Steve

 

       

 

 

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Posted by TheMongoose on Tuesday, August 18, 2020 5:11 PM

Awesome Steve! Did you find the chopper in the US? I looked awhile ago and had to pay international shipping so I passed. Really want one tho. We use it at work for some exact cuts and it's great.

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Posted by docidle on Tuesday, August 18, 2020 5:15 PM

TheMongoose

Awesome Steve! Did you find the chopper in the US? I looked awhile ago and had to pay international shipping so I passed. Really want one tho. We use it at work for some exact cuts and it's great.

 

Thanks Mongoose. I just found one on evilBay from the States too. I agree that it is really cool and useful too! There are a number of them on evilBay, just type in The Chopper.

Steve

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NWSL-NorthWest-Short-Line-The-Chopper-II-Miniature-Wood-Styrene-Cutter-Tool/133466236126?epid=1700198060&hash=item1f133524de&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&enc=AQAFAAADUGb9wzr7R6x1jWeVu3Ybook%2FNKuqn8VrI1cWv5hMyVU7CWcNU56Hk72EnFw1y%2FDyX6dQJX0kdpsSgGNdjSIoi2q6bJqukbtESINw5RY3IN5zBRPFNVwqXlAphNXZbarj%2BxvYAIdW6l31s57VfoDrwWAmul4mQT4sQjdFTkrB%2F2Up43O4N0Y8KNlrBDqkk9TJSMvcrHGTJExNO5mRLI%2F9MTh418qqacw0c7LQGUt46QcDRofWmm2SkPtYzEMcFu6jQhe6swFpm0b8CMbL2uWttqP53kKtYQrs6bbNrmll%2BEIXFFAVBSZyVlghCEo9qW%2FXlUowGOWt3oj3zmB%2F6xdb9Q1WCJKMOdrSSTgzVLY6exkeWARuqiLTuJDijlbGm3D8aEQxlDG5%2FiEjBYTytS5a%2Bc9YXYXSLdbPAmGrY703MbOWFR4E%2BuC4UiH%2FK5KtYe%2Fezybh%2BoToGU4nWCk2NoJXaHJ852m0UsbtsGiVbMSp7pTtKNx2HuLOMp3t%2FDydnA%2FtFE4Ka3u%2BbUY9rcZnBDBZH55ME%2BiyOWRTht8oZR60XI5DOBZBpOxpK8Jfr9muwmOhP5RUqNX6OlygqdfNOt82Ve5Wxv0NoOqxRgMgefXiOoZqzze1V5nCIUEG%2FzpLHGX89bcKe%2BS3Y1ghyEBvcXfZ3sjrBMuxwGc0bWUPrYe6zj6PPvS38lqUmpEYzJdv0EpAStZUl0K6QGsG7PREI5Cs9MlZJax6Ubk5MBBzkTWUu0PORqNnolj1r11YGIg%2FFyRQdJkMDplJVb4WcDR%2BDOZ83SUO0XuswUCk9pyThLm8aM5RVdoVKaMjnzIAQT4nW%2Bn731HIxweBmjSyYwycJ4u0T0t2aqrYMvb8VhQ%2F9QgHf0bIdmNSf6s1M%2F2jrKSRocE3dJQ9Nym9a%2FDrLc7HY7cFSsLcY7OCHuKCrCZbYvLTkiJjsyj7H6RlKsptNPkZpBjJProEffAZ3H2rCAJ4Vow4gBuIjq0UG5Su8xGQaUupUeC94GqFXvaCZfy7YG23cQ9A5WPKTB6834mJj3pOB7VoUWIOOkgsMeJqDlq0Brk4IiP88cUjhgEviefvT0SFLQJk7%2FFt9OdUla%2F1pJWzB2a2SxFUJwejPmNVwEraN5FtQuHO&checksum=133466236126466b321580154028a94afc767a9e7225

       

 

 

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Tuesday, August 18, 2020 5:58 PM

Great job on the S Boat Steve. Speaking of boats here is mine:

 

 

I have been very carefully drilling out the flood holes on one half of the hull. I'm almost done and then some more clean up will follow.

This has been a major exercise in patience during the two last evenings. I will start on the conning tower to take a break from the hand drilling.

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Posted by TheMongoose on Tuesday, August 18, 2020 6:29 PM

Bow Down to plasticjunkie! Ohh that's some srious patience. 1/144 wow.

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Posted by docidle on Tuesday, August 18, 2020 10:05 PM

Steve, 

That is some serious drilling and reaming. You have the patience of a saint my friend.

Steve

plasticjunkie

Great job on the S Boat Steve. Speaking of boats here is mine:

 

 

I have been very carefully drilling out the flood holes on one half of the hull. I'm almost done and then some more clean up will follow.

This has been a major exercise in patience during the two last evenings. I will start on the conning tower to take a break from the hand drilling.

 

       

 

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, August 19, 2020 1:06 AM

So to be clear, a conning tower on a submarine is a pressurized cylinder separated from the main pressure hull by a trunk. It would be a place where torpedo attacks could be plotted while submerged, using an attack periscope.

It sits directly above the main pressure hull.

Both it and the main pressure hull are enclosed within a light boat structure,

The conning tower is enclosed in a fairing generally referred to as a "sail".

Type 2s didn't have a conning tower at all. There was a sail, which had a open bridge on the top, but the pressure hull access was through a hatch at the base of it.

USN submarines in WW2 often used the term "fairwater" for every thing outside of the pressure hull from the waterline at positive bouyancy; up.

 

Bill

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, August 19, 2020 6:20 AM

plasticjunkie

Great job on the S Boat Steve. Speaking of boats here is mine:

 

 

I have been very carefully drilling out the flood holes on one half of the hull. I'm almost done and then some more clean up will follow.

This has been a major exercise in patience during the two last evenings. I will start on the conning tower to take a break from the hand drilling.

 

I know the feeling. 10 days in and i am still working on the port side of my hull, have not even looked at the starborad side.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Wednesday, August 19, 2020 7:01 AM

Thanks mongoose, Steve and Bish. Yea it’s tedious and boring and it’s safer to use a hand held drill than a powered one, some of the holes are just too tiny. Changing gears working on the conning tower will give me a break from the monotony of drilling.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, August 19, 2020 8:09 AM

Looks good PJ. I wish I had taken the time to drill out the holes on my 1/144 type VII a few years back.

Steve

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Wednesday, August 19, 2020 9:51 AM

modelcrazy

Looks good PJ. I wish I had taken the time to drill out the holes on my 1/144 type VII a few years back.

 

Yes

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Posted by GreySnake on Wednesday, August 19, 2020 10:38 AM
Nice work, docidle and PJ.  

 
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Posted by plasticjunkie on Wednesday, August 19, 2020 11:00 AM

GreySnake
Nice work, docidle and PJ.  
 

 

Yes

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Posted by TheMongoose on Wednesday, August 19, 2020 8:12 PM

Hey Guys I need some advice - flags, the bane of my existence! I'll ruin 6 or 7 it seems like before getting something reasonable for my model. Already killed one so decided to stop and ask what you guys do to get a good, rippling in the breeze, flag?

 I have these decals at the moment but can get something else if needed.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Wednesday, August 19, 2020 8:50 PM

TheMongoose

Hey Guys I need some advice - flags, the bane of my existence! I'll ruin 6 or 7 it seems like before getting something reasonable for my model. Already killed one so decided to stop and ask what you guys do to get a good, rippling in the breeze, flag?

 I have these decals at the moment but can get something else if needed.

 

I trim a piece of kitchen foil the same size as the flag then apply the decals to both sides of the foil. Next day when dry I touch up the silver edges and shape the flag.

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Posted by TheMongoose on Wednesday, August 19, 2020 11:04 PM

Hmmm, maybe my impatience is some of the problem Hmm I'll try a day instead of an hour. 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, August 20, 2020 6:59 AM

I do the same if using decal. I usually print them out on an HP printer. Original HP ink doesn't run when wet so they work with water and glue.

Steve

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, August 20, 2020 8:02 AM

I have some fabric flags from AMP and they fold up really nicely.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by TheMongoose on Thursday, August 20, 2020 11:54 AM

plasticjunkie - Impatience, nope it's me. My decal came right off the foil. I used the duller side of foil. Anything special you can think of that i need to do different?

going to experiment with canopy glue on the one i just messed up Surprise

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Posted by Tomcat on Thursday, August 20, 2020 2:08 PM

Coat the foil with Future Floor finish or any gloss paint, then apply the decal.

Mark aka Tomcat

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Posted by docidle on Thursday, August 20, 2020 11:30 PM

GreySnake
Nice work, docidle and PJ.  
 

Thanks 

       

 

 

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