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Posted by Gamera on Friday, January 21, 2022 9:35 AM

Ben those look amazing! I'd figure that if they were the same after the first one you'd get the kinks worked out and then the rest would be much easier. It's nuts that there are so many different types!

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Posted by modelcrazy on Friday, January 21, 2022 10:53 AM

Ben, I remember those little buggers and yeah, their a PIA and I just had one to deal with. I just went with the white aft covers but you.....NO you have to just install the framing for the covers Bang Head. They do look great though and like the Akagi, there ar just too many boats to have fun with.

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Posted by ikar01 on Friday, January 21, 2022 11:48 PM

You guys are crazier than me, but the results make up for it.

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Posted by DRUMS01 on Saturday, January 22, 2022 10:54 PM

I wanted to share what they look like with paint and the final details added. Not much more to say other than now its time to finish up on any of the PE I got for the trolley rails and such. Then comes the final application of the gray on the small stuff (small guns, hose reels, etc.).

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DRUMS01 / Ben

"Everyones the normal until you get to know them" (Unknown)

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1/350 Tamiya Yamato WIP 

 

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Sunday, January 23, 2022 1:36 AM

Those look great Ben. I know that wasn't easy

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, January 27, 2022 11:35 AM

Ben: Those look awesome! Hope Godzilla doesn't come by and make a snack outta them.

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Posted by ikar01 on Thursday, January 27, 2022 5:18 PM

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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, January 27, 2022 7:16 PM

Looks good Ikar. Being on a WW2 sub let alone a migit sub must have taken some big ones.

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Posted by ikar01 on Thursday, January 27, 2022 8:22 PM

I went in the USS Cod while it was getting ready for restoration.  Glad I went into the Air Force, those thinge are a lot smaller than they appear in the movies.

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Posted by goldhammer88 on Thursday, January 27, 2022 9:05 PM

You aren't kidding.  Went through U-505 when I was about 14.  That thing was tight, don't know how 45-50 men could live and fight in it.  And our fleet boats were about a hundred ft longer.

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, January 28, 2022 9:22 AM

Great work Ikar, she's coming right along.

 

Walked though the USS Clamagore in Patriot's Point, SC a few times and know what you mean about head room. At 5'11" / 180cm I'm not that tall and as GH pointed out US subs were a lot more roomy than the Axis ones.

Kinda depressed now, seems the Clamagore is in the process of being taken out and sunk as a man-made reef. Going to drop some money into the preservation society for what good it does- we've already lost enough history...

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Posted by DRUMS01 on Saturday, January 29, 2022 10:14 AM

That is sad, as I enjoyed that walk through during my visit years ago as well. I sure hope she can be saved.

DRUMS01/Ben

P.S.: Update coming soon...

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1/350 Tamiya Yamato WIP 

 

 

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Posted by goldhammer88 on Saturday, January 29, 2022 3:04 PM

Going to have to get National Park permission, as she is listed on two historical registries.  They are hard to get around to do anything except restoration, and even then you have a lot of hoops to navigate.  I can't see them allowing it, even to the extent of pulling her on dry land.

We have a lodge that was built in the early '40's with CCC labor.  Now historically listed by state and federal.  I contacted the archeologist for the National Forest that has responsibility for it.  Offered our metal detecting club to search for artifacts, mark them and assist the USFS in recovery.  Was told absolutely not.  The place has just been started on restoration this past summer.

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Posted by DRUMS01 on Sunday, January 30, 2022 8:10 PM

Hi everyone... for some reason I am finding it difficult to get any substantial time at the desk lately. I guess it is all of those life events that will always remind you that this is indeed a hobby. It's not always those significant moments like health issues, home or vehicle repairs, etc. Instead it can be things like washing clothes, shopping for necessities, cleaning cars or your home, shoveling snow, spending time with friends and family, doctors visits, physical / occupational / and speech therapy for Jarrod (my son), etc. 

I could go on, but I'm sure all of you following my build have similar situations that might limit your time at your hobby bench. I am not complaining, but just trying to explain why I have not been posting new stuff more frequently. It is just difficult to really get into something when you only have and hour or less each time you can work on a model. Well here is an opportunity for me to show some progress on the Yamato build that was completed an hour here and an hour there....

Since the small boats I've been working on the aft lower aircraft and boat deck. In my logical process of assembly I told myself that I had to add the lower aft deck before the main deck can be added to the hull. Just to recap some of the work already done on the lower rear deck; after some research and prior to cementing it into the hull I performed the following actions:

- removed the plastic pyramid block stairs.
- created internal walkways on both sides of the aircraft hanger from spare PE.
- added spare PE doors to access the walkway inside and outside the hanger (4 doors)
- added a PE door in the back of the aircraft pit.
- added water tight doors to the outer edge wings of the lower deck.
- added aftermarket trolly rails to the raised locations on both access tunnels.
- resourced handrail from spares to add around the aircraft hanger pit.
- assembled the kit parts to the lower deck.

Once the deck was attached to the hull I started the painting of the lower aft deck. My first area was inside the hanger. The floor is a slightly darker shade of the hull color (to add visual depth). The walls were painted a light neutural gray, and the walkways colored Maziuru Gray with a red upper hand rail. The "barn doors" details were washed with a very thinned dark rust and then dry brushed with neutral gray to bring out the details. The deck itself was initially painted Maziuru Gray then washed with a very diluted / thinned Testors rubber to sink in the depths of the textured deck. Next the deck was lightly dry brushed with the neutral gray to bring out the surface details. Some of the final details include carefully applying another fine line pin wash on the trolly rails and then I used a sliver permanent marker to bring out the edge of the rails. 

Here it is:

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Another thing I've been working on was adding the ships propellers or screws and shafts beneath the hull. I wanted to show the drive shafts as a stainless steel look. The kits screws were not used as the Lions Roar detail set provided brass plated castings. Because of the age of the detail set they did not look very pretty. What I mean is the brass color had numerous variations of color, gloss or matt, and even casting marks. To fix the problem I smoothed the imperfections and colored them with liquid antique brass.

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In-between working on that stuff I also started on painting the main deck , superstructure, main guns, and the small stuff. Here are a few photos of the main decks paint work. Keep in mind that the main parts of the superstructure, rear gun director, main gun turrets and such are not permanently added, they are just sitting on the deck. All the main parts were painted the ships Maziuru Gray. Many other areas were detail washed to bring out details then dry brushed to bring out more detail. To provide a forced perspective on the deck and superstructure I also mixed slight variations of the gray to make certain surfaces just a little different than the Maziuru Gray. The floors of the gun tubs were washed in a darker color to match the 3d referenced photos I located on-line. I'm not totally sure how accurate that darker color is in the gun tubs, but I really liked the effect it will have in bringing out the details of the small guns. The bows anchor chain area of the deck had a lighter but similar treatment as the rear deck. The initial section of the wood deck was added in the last photo. Today I stained the other two main sections of the wood deck, so I will have to wait for them to dry before adding them. Well, nuff said; if you have any other questions on the painting just ask.

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And here is a photo of the deck cemented to the painted hull. 

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As always, comments and feedback are welcome.

DRUMS01/Ben

 

"Everyones the normal until you get to know them" (Unknown)

PROJECTS:

1/350 Tamiya Yamato WIP 

 

 

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, January 30, 2022 10:34 PM

Thanks GH, I hope something can be done even though the chances do seem extremly small. I glad I got to walk though her when I did. 

Ben: You're still getting more done than I am. Nice work. I got myself in a tizzy applying PE to an aircraft cockpit over the last couple weekends. I really need a little time before I start on a pile of the stuff here. I don't see how you guys stay sane. 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, January 31, 2022 10:54 AM

Excelent job Ben. I really like the fact that you went the extra step and made some extra intrest in the stern. As far as colors or what that area looked like, no one really knows anymore. The records are lost and no one guy had any idea of how it all went together. To keep secercy they used that whole "plausible deniability" thing when it came to design and construction.

Yeah, time does seem to get away on occasion. All the plans I had for last weekend went out the window, typical Confused We are slowly packing up for a move, that we're still not sure of and that takes a lot of time. Well, if nothing else, we'll get rid of a lot of junk we've been hauling around and storing.

I don't think I'll be getting back to the Takao for a little while (most models are packed as well). Good thing this GB lasts and lasts.

Steve

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Posted by ikar01 on Monday, January 31, 2022 11:21 AM

Who said anything aboiut sanity?  You must be mistaken.  I think I'll go listen to "They're comming To Take Me away" again.

Shame they don't do a dive on the wreck of Yamato and do some research.  I forget how deep it is on that side of the island but I don't think it's that deep.

I remember in the 80s when they considered bring it up and restoring it as a museum.  Then the project was canceled.

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Posted by goldhammer88 on Monday, January 31, 2022 11:31 AM

As I remember, about the only thing intact is the bow and stern.  Everything between, I doubt you could make a destroyer out of, at least weight of steel goes.  Maybe salvage a turret.  But as a war grave, completely off limit's.  I think her sister is in way better condition, even though a big section of her midship is gone, and the stern section is upside down.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, January 31, 2022 4:00 PM

Yeah, not much left of either. Yor're right Ikar, she's only 1400 such feet but like GH said, not much left after the mag detonations. The Musashi's further down at 3887 but again....nothing left.

Steve

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Posted by DRUMS01 on Tuesday, February 1, 2022 7:05 PM

If the Arizona is a catfish, then the Yamato is a Barracuda. I didn't pay it much attention, but the forward part of the main deck has actually three different slopes in it. When researching the curvature of the main deck I found this:

"A unique feature of the Yamato class was the gentle slope of the deck in the vicinity of the forward 46cm turrets. After sloping downwards, the deck would curve gracefully upwards again all the way to the ship’s bow. Don’t let the beautiful lines fool you, the purpose of this bow was more than aesthetics! The sloping deck helped reduce the height of the turrets as well as the barbettes they rested on. Each main battery turret, weighing over 2500 tons, could make the ship very top-heavy if they were located higher up on the ships’ hull. The deck allowed them to be lowered. Though the height reduction was modest, maybe only around 10′, it still contributed to the ship’s overall stability. The deck also helped contribute to the protection of the Yamato class. By lowering the turret height, the height of the barbettes could also be lowered as well. This meant a reduction in the barbettes exposed outside of the citadel, increasing protection. This also saved having to armor taller barbettes, saving tonnage that could be used for protection elsewhere on the battleships."

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Here is a small update showing the addition of the wood deck. In a previous photo I already had the stained forward small section attached in front of the main guns. The following photos show the two much larger wood deck sections added after the staining had dried. In addition to the wood deck I also added the rear gun director tower along with many water tight doors, hatches, and covers which were then painted. 

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Critiques and comments welcome.

DRUMS01/Ben

"Everyones the normal until you get to know them" (Unknown)

PROJECTS:

1/350 Tamiya Yamato WIP 

 

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Tuesday, February 1, 2022 8:26 PM

That's interesting. I knew it had a double sloping deck but didn't know why. I love the deck color Ben. Looks perfect. 

Steve

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Posted by scottrc on Thursday, February 3, 2022 2:06 PM

Hi Ben and Steve, I know exactly what you guys are talking about with life and bench time.  I just completed a shop remodel and its going to take months to arrange things back to the organized mess I once had.  I am also still taking care of my elderly mom and sorting her affairs, and starting a new garage project this spring.  

My Mushasi kit is packed in with the rest of my stash and I have no idea which containter its in.  But I do have my PE set out and am keeping track of it.  And I am still processing in my mind how I want to construct it.  

I may not be quite in this GB in body, but I am in spirit.  

And on the subject of ships colors, the Mushashi was fitted out and seemed to had its home port of Kure, so would that be assumed that Kure Gray would be used as the primary color for the ship?

I'm trying to learn the dynamics of Japanese nomenclature and it seems to be quite a learning curve.

Ben, you pointed out the design of the deck camber and its reason. The Yamato class, in my opinion, was way ahead in ship design and we are now just seeing many of these design aspects the Yamato had in modern commercial ships.  

Scott

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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, February 3, 2022 2:43 PM

No worries Scott, You have all the time you need

scottrc
the Mushashi was fitted out and seemed to had its home port of Kure, so would that be assumed that Kure Gray would be used as the primary color for the ship?

Yes sir, but as Ben pointed out, fading and such will change the color so use whatever you feel is close. No one is going to argue.

Steve

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Posted by DRUMS01 on Friday, February 4, 2022 12:57 PM

So yesterday I began working on the ships hose reels. The Lions Roar set has PE reels but you have to provide the center spool. Here are the instructions:

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The first thing I noticed were separate spool ends and brackets. Most all of my other sets had them as one piece. That would've made it easier to ensure the spools were straight on the brackets, but now it is something more to add to the difficulty level. 

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While anything could be used for the center spool, I chose to used small aluminum tubing because of how easy it is to cut and file but still be rigid enough for the assembly. 

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Then I looked at it and thought it looks funny because there was no hose, only an aluminum tube (?). My solution was to add a coil of 0.15 silver bearing colder (very small). 

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With no guide points to attach the center spool shaft to the ends, and no guides to add the completed spool to the bracket, the assemblies have proved to be a challenge to assemble symmetrically and level to its corresponding components. Here is the largest spool completed:

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That was when I noticed an issue with the PE versus the kits hose reels, and that is the rectangular cut outs through the wood deck and plastic kit deck. The problem is that the PE does not line up with or cover those holes at all. So now I have some neat PE assemblies, and some very basic kit plastic, but the plastic fills the holes perfectly. Here is what I'm talking about:

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So, .... here is my brainstorm to fix both issues. I'm going to use the kit parts but also add the solder to the spool, and finally add the PE reel ends and portions of the PE brackets to the kit parts to make a hybrid assembly to solve both the holes and the difficult assembly issues. Here is a start of what I'm talking about:

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I will finish one out and set it on the ship to let you know how they will look during the next update, wish me luck!

Till next time, love well, stay safe, and model something...

DRUMS / Ben

"Everyones the normal until you get to know them" (Unknown)

PROJECTS:

1/350 Tamiya Yamato WIP 

 

 

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Posted by ikar01 on Friday, February 4, 2022 2:37 PM

Well....she's finished.  This is one busy boat.  I have no idea what type of aircraftis on the catapult.

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Posted by DRUMS01 on Friday, February 4, 2022 6:40 PM

Well done icar01! That is some impressive detail in that scale.

DRUMS01 / Ben

"Everyones the normal until you get to know them" (Unknown)

PROJECTS:

1/350 Tamiya Yamato WIP 

 

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Saturday, February 5, 2022 10:46 AM

That looks fantastic Ben! I usually just use plastic sprue for the reel and run a blade on it to simulate the hose or cable, but your's looks "reel". Get it? I made a joke there, and on a Saturday morning too!

IKar, Nice job! That looks like a Pete to me. Their subs were multitasking, like their cruisers.

Which picture do you want on the wall?

Steve

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Posted by ikar01 on Saturday, February 5, 2022 3:18 PM

Take your pick, I know you will do fine.

 

Now for my next trick, ...let's see, should I do the destroyer, or the USS Salem, or HMS Warsprite, or Bismark....so many choices.  But the Japanese flag build is still running.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Saturday, February 5, 2022 10:59 PM

ikar01
But the Japanese flag build is still running.

They're all still running my friend.

I'll get it up as soon as Imageshack findes my images.

Steve

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Posted by ikar01 on Sunday, February 6, 2022 9:43 PM

Next up is the Destroyer I.J.N. Kagero.  After that I have no more Ja[anese warships.

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