AIRCRAFT - "Prototypes and Paper Projects" Group Build - Still Open.

Here is the latest update on the Dornier Messershplidt mistel:

http://www.norite.v21hosting.co.uk/models/dornierme.jpg

It's very nearly done, All I really need to do is mask the main canopy (note it hasn't been glued in yet) and add some touch up paint here and there. This is also my first attempt/experiment at weathering; I added a dark wash to the Dornier to make it look a bit grubby, and in places tried to make it look like the paint was wearing off to show the silver airframe underneath.
There will be no guns on the Dornier; As this is a test bed carrying a heavy load, I figure it will be stripped to reduce weight...
Ignore the radio aerial, it wasn't glued in yet. I am proud of the front canopy...I used metal foil to mask it, and I think it came out rather well (First time I've used metal foil)
And for the first time, you can clearly see my homemade seat harnesses for the Me 328

The main modelling page with more pictures is here:
http://www.norite.v21hosting.co.uk/models/models.htm

Norite: looking very good! I did notice the seat harness imedtiately. It really looks convincing with the canopy open like that.. So I guess you're almost ready to get crackin' on that 335?
Karl: interesting subject you chose there. I hadn't heard of the DFS 194, so I'm curious how it looks. Would be interesting to see how it differs from the Me-163. Btw about those Huma kits: at least you had a choice not to buy them. Over here, I haven't even seen any in a long time.....
Greg: from what you tell me I gather this kit is good for your modeling skills. The raised detail is a bit of a problem with these old Airfix kits, isn't it? To get my hands on a WW-2 pilot, I just bought an Airfix Lysander which was a blast from the past! No cockpit detail but I was amazed at the (raised) detail on the airframe. Mind you, if I ever build this kit (and I will), I'll probably have to restore a lot after filling and sanding..... I'll have to read up on that, lol. The fact that the P-1127 was in nmf doesn't help any, I have to agree. On the other hand all the pictures and fil I've seen show it in a rather dull (matte) nmf, which would mean you could get away with a slightly rougher finish then if it were polished chrome
Lucien: I would agree with you that a mottled gray would look better on top. I usually associate splinter schemes with the early war years and the mottled/ funky schemes with 1944/45. Well you could always try to find pictures of similar aircraft and go with that....or: go with what you like!
Frosty: I haven't been able to come up with any radar equipment pics other than the aerials. Sorry about that. Dunno about the visibility in your 229, it IS a big canopy, but then again it's a very small plane.... Unless I work from very good references and am feeling masochistic, I usually settle for a 'busy' look of the cockpit. That's good enough, especially for such a speculative subject as this one. Just my

Now for a little update: as I said I have located two pilot figures for the XP-55 (always good to have a spare), and have also acquired a Hasegawa pilot/ground crew set for the YF-23. I'm just using the pilot, but my spares box is growing nicely this way. As a matter of fact, the pilot's in, the cockpit has been painted and weathered some. I have also added an oil wash to the panel lines and the first coat of future is on the plane. I had problems with airbrushing the stuff (it wouldn't adhere well and formed big drops), so I just took a paper towel and smeared a thin layer on. Oh well, looks okay. I have since learned from the techniques forum that I probably had low air pressure. Nothing I can do about that, because I have to use air cans at the moment. Anyway, the decals are next. Unfortunately the digital camera is no longer around, so posting pics is out again for a while....

Filibert, you'd think that Huma kits would be fairly easy to come by in Europe, seeing as they are made next door to you in Germany.

As for the DFS 194, it looks like a slightly overweight Komet in a fetching cream colour!!!!!!

Frosty try this:

www.luftarchiv.de

the site is in German, but choose 'English navigation' .

There is one section devoted to cockpit instruments, including shots of the aircraft panels, as well as a section all about Luftwaffe airborn radar installations.

Hope this helps.

Karl

My Bf-109z Siamese Twin arrived yesterday....

It's a fairly basic kit, on 4 sprues. The bottom part of the wing is in one long section, and made from a different colour plastic. It looks like this is the only special bit of the kit and the rest of the kit comes from a regular 109 line (I suppose this is how it would have been in the real world, using existing production facilities!!). Thee is also a fair amount of flash on the sprues too, and thebox looks a little worn - looks like this is an old kit!

Interestingly, enough there are swoostickers with the decal set (made in Ukraine) - normally, that's a big no-no for the regular kit makers??

This kit is by Amodel. Doesn't say where or when it was made, but the instructions are in English and Russian only, and the distributer is based in Poland...
@Filibert:
I've already started on the Do 335! Well, in a small way. I've partially built the two Daimler Benz engines; they are virtually identical to the bf-109 engines - I saw a colour photograph of one being repaired in a book yesterday, and my colour scheme matches it! woohoo! I've had a go at adding a dark wash to make it look all greasy and grimy...I took a few pictures, but they were rubbish - no detail, so they won't be posted..

The Good News- I am eagerly awaiting an airbrush (finally!). The check is in the mail for a Paasche VL, and now the path is clear for me to start!

The Better News- I will more than likely have a kit in a couple weeks. I hope to pick up a Me 328 and maybe one of the Ju 290s.

Whatever sceme I end up using (most likely the mottled grey), it'll be pretty intresting, as I plan to use the same sceme on the Me 328. Also, I'd like to get a whole plethera of anti-shipping missiles and bombs and torpedoes and whatnot for the underwing racks. I'm still trying to figure that one out, too, because my first plan would end up costing me over $40 for just the missiles! [:0] Oh, well. That's a concern for the distant future!

I will spend a fair amount of time at www.luftarchiv.de researching all this.

I figure so long as this is a big project already, why not go all out?

QUOTE: Originally posted by KJ200 Filibert, you'd think that Huma kits would be fairly easy to come by in Europe, seeing as they are made next door to you in Germany.

You would, wouldn't you?

Yeah, go figure, eh? What can you do...

Norite- I realize your situation with the camera. I would love to see some pics though, as they become available.

QUOTE: Originally posted by KJ200 Now I'm stuck at home with a throat infection, and no inclination to build anything!!!!!!!!

I know it's a little late, but I hope you're feeling better!

As for me- I plan for this thing (the 290Z) to be the ultimate anti-shipping aircraft. I hope to buy two of the Condor German Missile Set #2, and I, not being able to throw anything away, plan to try to use them all! Then again, I don't know how much lifting power this thing had, with the Me 328 and all...

We shall see...

QUOTE: Originally posted by Lucien Harpress QUOTE: Originally posted by KJ200 Now I'm stuck at home with a throat infection, and no inclination to build anything!!!!!!!! I know it's a little late, but I hope you're feeling better!

2 the above & thanx 2 Karl 4 the link, & 2 Filibert K. 4 the info.
nothing 2 report at present...but now i can work on the radio & radar units !

frosty

QUOTE: Originally posted by frostygirl QUOTE: Originally posted by Lucien Harpress Originally posted by KJ200 Now I'm stuck at home with a throat infection, and no inclination to build anything!!!!!!!! I know it's a little late, but I hope you're feeling better! What they said! Sorry mate, must've missed that part of your post first time around. Reply Edit gregers Member since February 2003 From: UK Posted by gregers on Tuesday, July 6, 2004 6:32 PM Greg: from what you tell me I gather this kit is good for your modeling skills yep that it is but its no good at all for my sanity (which is doubtful at the best of times LoL). i too have recently picked up an airfix lysander, never even seen inside the box of one before, YYYYYYEEEEEUUUUCCCKKKKK someone pass me a matchbox lysander to build and a box of matches for the airfix kit . seriously though i am going to build this lysander as the twin tailed prototype with a gun turret. one very odd aircraft indeed. Greg Why torture yourself when life will do it for you? Reply Aaronw Member since September 2015 From: The Redwood Empire Posted by Aaronw on Tuesday, July 6, 2004 7:09 PM Looks like most of these are what if WW2 so I'm not sure my idea is appropriate. I've started to build airtankers (fire bombers) and one on my list is the A-10, these are not currently used but a company Fire Hogs http://www.firehogs.com/ has been actively pursuing the idea and has even built a prototype. So would this be appropriate for the build. They currently are not used as Airtankers and may never be used that way but its not quite a what if since people are spending money to sell the idea, the A-10 is in service and a demonstration prototype is flying. Its more than just a paintjob since I will be building the tank unit as well. If not, thats ok, I'm just looking for an excuse to bump it up on my building schedule. Reply KJ200 Member since July 2003 From: Bicester, England Posted by KJ200 on Wednesday, July 7, 2004 3:57 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Filibert Kraxner QUOTE: Originally posted by frostygirl QUOTE: Originally posted by Lucien Harpress Originally posted by KJ200 Now I'm stuck at home with a throat infection, and no inclination to build anything!!!!!!!! I know it's a little late, but I hope you're feeling better! What they said! Sorry mate, must've missed that part of your post first time around. Back in action now thankfully. I've started work on the DFS 194, and already I've managed to crack the canopy I was peeling off the Blutack that I'd put in to protect the canopy during clean up, but it adhered a little too well, and cracked the canopy as I pulled it out!!!! Having read a couple of reviews of this kit, both reviewers bemoaned the thickness of the canopy. PM appear to have responded to this as my canopy was exceptionally thin and clear. Too thin for for me it would seem. Currently painting the cockpit, which should not take long, and then it's on to final assembly!!!! One of the benefits of a kit with only 12 parts! Karl Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF Reply Lucien Harpress Member since June 2003 From: A Computer in Adrian, (SE) Michigan. Posted by Lucien Harpress on Wednesday, July 7, 2004 10:59 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Aaronw Looks like most of these are what if WW2 so I'm not sure my idea is appropriate. I've started to build airtankers (fire bombers) and one on my list is the A-10, these are not currently used but a company Fire Hogs http://www.firehogs.com/ has been actively pursuing the idea and has even built a prototype. Sounds good to me! It's always good to get new people doing this! KJ200- Good to hear you're better, and IEE! about the canopy! [:0] I offter my condolences. Gregers- A Lysander with a turret.... great idea! See, there's all this stuff that I never knew existed! I love this GB... Frostygirl- How to you plan to make the radar? (The antennas, I'm assuming.) Unless you got a PE set, a scratchbuilt one from wire would be your best bet, as injection-molded ones in 1:72 usually don't come out very well. I know the Ju 290 kits I plan to get have them, and they don't look all that hot. So, even though I really shouldn't, I just plan to leave them off. Besides, I think they look ugly anyway. (Shocking, eh? Coming from me?) As for the rest of you, I need your opinion. This- [image]http://luft46.volga.ru/bv/archiv/fritz-x.jpg[/image] Or this? [image]http://www.luftarchiv.de/flugkorper/lt2.jpg[/image] That which does not kill you makes you stranger... -The Joker Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 7, 2004 1:26 PM Lucien: as far as the radar aerial unit goes, i see three choices 1) soldering or supergluing wire 2) styrene rod 3) leaving it off i was leaning towards the 3rd one myself ( i prefer the cleaner line also ) but figure i'll try & build the thing anyhow just 2 see how it comes out. the box art shows the beastie w/ no aerial up front, so it's a toss-up... re: ur question, i'd go w/ the first one... the second one looks too much like a torpedo... altho' i do like the trolley on the second one ! frosty Reply Edit Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 7, 2004 10:13 PM frosty, The Ho 229 nightfighter would have used the centimetric radar scanner enclosed within the nose of the aircraft. No ugly external radar array on this aircraft! Matrixone Reply Edit KJ200 Member since July 2003 From: Bicester, England Posted by KJ200 on Thursday, July 8, 2004 6:48 AM Mike, the canopy thing was a bummer, but it's so tiny, it should not be too great an issue. Go Fritx X, it looks good on you! Karl Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF Reply Lucien Harpress Member since June 2003 From: A Computer in Adrian, (SE) Michigan. Posted by Lucien Harpress on Thursday, July 8, 2004 11:55 AM Yeah, I was kind of leaning toward the Fritz X anyway. The plan is to pair a couple of eithier of those with 4 Hs 293 rocket guided bombs. One of the limitations of the Hs 293 was it's inability to pierce the armor of battleships- something the Fritz X was designed to do. Hence, my leaning towards it. The other one (Blohm and Voss Bv L-10 "Friedensengel") is exactly what it looks like- a torpedo with wings. It was launched from a He 177 (as far as I know), and glided to near the target. Then the wings and tail would shear away, and the torpedo would continue on to hopefully blow up the ship. That's why your reference to it, Frostygirl, kind of made me laugh! I hope to build a total of six racks on my monster Zwilling, two on the extreme outer engine nallaces, two on the extreme inner nallaces, and one under each fuselage. The Hs 293s would go under the engine racks, and one of the other two would fill the fuselage racks. QUOTE: Orignially posted by matrixone The Ho 229 nightfighter would have used the centimetric radar scanner enclosed within the nose of the aircraft. No ugly external radar array on this aircraft! I'll use that excuse for mine! Thanks, matrixone! I have a couple of switches for the motorization aspect of my project, and I have a goal of making the battery mount, wires inside the visible part of the fuselage, and switch disguised as something that you would normally find inside a Ju 290. I figure the wires could be like loose cables or something, the battery mount/box I plan to turn into a giant crate (Most likely), and the switch (which will be right next to the battery) just a loose box of some type of gear that just happens to be laying around. The kit itself makes this very easy, as the top of the kit is molded seperatly and just screams to be opened up to show off the interior. It also makes a good spot to get to a "hidden" battery and switch! Oh, and all this will be in the right (starboard? Or is that just for ships?) fuselage, the one with the Me 328 on top. The 328 should make a very convient handle for the lid, I think. The left fuselage will be finished normally, and be shown off all the time. (As opposed to the right one, which will only be opened with the 9 volt inside dies! ) Whew! My fingers are tired... That which does not kill you makes you stranger... -The Joker Reply KJ200 Member since July 2003 From: Bicester, England Posted by KJ200 on Friday, July 9, 2004 2:30 AM Mike, how about disguising the battery box as an internal long range fuwl tank, such as the Fw200s had. There's a picture of the internal tanks on Swanny's website under his Fw200 build. If anyone does want to go with the Hohentwiel radar option, Eduard do an etch for the Ju290. No progress on the DFS 194 so far, as still working on the Polikarpov and the Fw190 & Hagelkorn. Karl Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF Reply Lucien Harpress Member since June 2003 From: A Computer in Adrian, (SE) Michigan. Posted by Lucien Harpress on Friday, July 9, 2004 12:46 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by KJ200 Mike, how about disguising the battery box as an internal long range fuwl tank, such as the Fw200s had. There's a picture of the internal tanks on Swanny's website under his Fw200 build. If anyone does want to go with the Hohentwiel radar option, Eduard do an etch for the Ju290. Interesting.... Veeeery interesting.... I saw the PE set on squadron.com, and I admit, I was tempted. Very temped. But, as I am already on a tight budget, and I like the idea of a clean-lined Zwilling, I passed. I saw an aftermarket engine for the 290 also, but for the above reasons, I don't see me getting it. I will look into the tank idea, though! It makes a WHOLE lot more sense in my case than a crate! Thanks! That which does not kill you makes you stranger... -The Joker Reply gregers Member since February 2003 From: UK Posted by gregers on Friday, July 9, 2004 4:38 PM Hi Lucien, heres a pic of the lysander with a turret hope you like it. that A10 firebomber is a great idea, hope to see pics of your model. Greg Why torture yourself when life will do it for you? Reply gringe88 Member since July 2004 From: ...Ask the other guy, he's got me zeroed-in... Posted by gringe88 on Saturday, July 10, 2004 9:20 PM Hey everybody! Lucien, I'm really new here. Just registered on July 7th. I was wondering if I could still join in the GB now? I've got a good project. It's the Sack AS 6, a circular wing aircraft designed by the Germans towards the end of World War II. It really wasn't much of a military aircraft so much as a test design. It was constructed of wood, with the landing gear and canopy taken from a Bf 109. It was piloted by men of the rocket fighter unit I./JG 400, based at Brandis near Leipzig, who were equipped with Me 163's. It wasn't very successful, and was destroyed by the Germmans in their retreat from Brandis. It was an oddball of an aircraft as its nickname implies: The "Fliegende Bierdeckel" ( Flying Beartray) The kit I have is in 1/72nd scale, made by Special Hobby, ( who they are I don't know). It's pretty simple, with a styrene body, resin interior, and vacuform canopy. I might scratchbuild the landing gear for strength. Is that OK? Please get back to me soon if I can join in. Thx! Matt ====================================== -Matt Reply Aaronw Member since September 2015 From: The Redwood Empire Posted by Aaronw on Saturday, July 10, 2004 9:44 PM Ok then, the Firehog has been started, I'm using a 1/72 Revell / Monogram A-10 as the base, I think I'm going to use the shark mouth decals from the kit and I'm going to fool around with corel paint to make up a proper logo to put on the plane (I can't believe the firehog people don't have a logo). I'll post some pics once I have something worth posting. Reply traveller Member since February 2003 From: Towradgi, near the beach! Posted by traveller on Saturday, July 10, 2004 11:54 PM Hey guys, glad you are still around. Life is getting in the way with me at the moment. Early morning starts, running around sorting out my new mortgage etc. Hopefully I will pull my finger out and do some modelling!! Quick question, I got an AMT XB-49 from lhs for $5, SEA cammo for bombers would be the same as for fighters etc, apart for gloss black undersurface? Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 11, 2004 8:27 AM gringe88, The Sack AS 6 aircraft used Bf 109 G main landing gear, instead of scratch building new gear legs maybe you could use some gear legs from an Airfix or Heller late model 109 kit. Matrixone Reply Edit Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 11, 2004 8:59 AM Gringe88. There is no finish date for this group build, so jump right in!! The more the merrier.... As for me.... I've paused on the Dornier217E - Messerchmitt 328 Mistel Kit. It's all done, except for the Dornier 217E canopy, which I have to mask with foil. But it's *really* tedious and boring, especially since the canopy has no markings whatsoever and I have to guess where the frame will be. When I feel motivated enough, I will do it! So I've been quietly working on the Dornier 335 Pfiel. I'm really enjoying this one. It's the Revell kit (repackaged Dragon kit apparently...) Both detailed engines have been built, along with the detailed cockpit tub. Unfortunately, I can't get good pictures the camera doesn't do closeups very well. Lucien: Would the Arado Ar 234 Jet bomber qualify for this GB? I'm curious. Reply Edit Lucien Harpress Member since June 2003 From: A Computer in Adrian, (SE) Michigan. Posted by Lucien Harpress on Sunday, July 11, 2004 12:32 PM Okay, one at a time- Gringe88- That would be more than fine. I think I've seen a few pics of what you're talking about, and if it's the one I'm thinking of, it's one odd plane indeed... Go for it! Don't worry about harsh restrictions and whatnot, I enjoy a very relaxed way of doing things. to the GB! Traveller- I'm still trying to figure out the last part of your post. Gimmie a minute... ...okay, a couple days... Gregers- NOW I remember- I've seen that pic before. Can you get a tail any bigger? It should make a very interesting model. Norite- Always good to hear of progress. And about the Ar 234... Wow. That's right on the bubble. Technically it shouldn't count, but if I remember correctly, almost all of the production batch was classified as a "prototype". (There was something like V1- V23. It was crazy.) I think of the "production" version, the -A series, only a few were made. Based off the fact that most of the operational sorties flown by these were technically by prototypes, I guess it would be okay if someone wanted to do one. (But with so many other, more obscure subjects, why would they want to? ) As always, the link to a GREAT luft '46 website is in my signature for anyone to use. The only thing really new for me is that instead of a crate for a battery box, I'm definitly going by KJ200's suggestion to use a long range fuel tank. Thanks again! That, and the results for winner of the anti-shipping missile shootout- (Drum roll) The Fritz X! (Wild clapping and cheering. Or just scatterd applause. Or just a nod of approval from the three people who are still there. Or just the wind and a tumbleweed. The tumbleweed detours around me.) Yeah, it's not official, but that's most likely what's gonna happen. Then again, when it counts is still very far in the future. And not this week, but the next, I'm not going to be here for three weeks after that. I'm going on vacation to Washington D.C.. Many pics of the National Air and Space Museum shall be taken! Don't get too far ahead while I'm gone! But on the upside, I'm 99.99999999% sure I will come back with a kit! That which does not kill you makes you stranger... -The Joker Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 11, 2004 1:13 PM National Air and Space Museum...that sounds really cooooooool. Don't they have a Me 163 Komet there? I don't think I will go for the Ar 234 for this build, thanks for clarifying! There is still the 3 engined Blohm und Voss P 170, but it's a tad expensive, and I haven't seen any kit reviews anywhere. It's a resin kit made by Planet...If anyone has found a review, plz post the link here.... Reply Edit gringe88 Member since July 2004 From: ...Ask the other guy, he's got me zeroed-in... Posted by gringe88 on Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:43 PM matrixone- that's a good idea. I'm just wondering how strong those plastic struts are. maybe I can use them from one of those kits u suggested and replace the main tube with metal wire? neways, thx for the idea!! -matt ====================================== -Matt Reply gringe88 Member since July 2004 From: ...Ask the other guy, he's got me zeroed-in... Posted by gringe88 on Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:44 PM Lucien- thx! I've started work on the kit. pretty simple, shouldn't take more than a day or two. ====================================== -Matt Reply Lucien Harpress Member since June 2003 From: A Computer in Adrian, (SE) Michigan. Posted by Lucien Harpress on Sunday, July 11, 2004 7:51 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by norite There is still the 3 engined Blohm und Voss P 170, but it's a tad expensive, and I haven't seen any kit reviews anywhere. It's a resin kit made by Planet...If anyone has found a review, plz post the link here.... I don't even think anyone has ever even built that kit, and I've never seen a review. Looking at the price, I don't really blame them. The closest I've seen to an interior shot is one taken by someone trying to sell one. It wasn't a very good picture, and I didn't see much. My suggestion- don't get it until you are extremly comfortable with resin aircraft kits! Looking back at Swanny's website with the fuel tanks, I doubt I can replicate that type convincingly. So, I just plan to make a simple one, more square-like. And, of course, easier to make! (Check out Swanny's website's Fw200 Condor build to see for yourself. I'm not putting the pic here because I don't know if Swanny has any copyrights or whatever, and besides, it's just polite. I think.) Hopefully I might add a topic sharing the pics I get from the museum. Until then, happy building! That which does not kill you makes you stranger... -The Joker Reply « First«3456789»Last » JOIN OUR COMMUNITY! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login Register SEARCH FORUMS FREE NEWSLETTER SIGN UP By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. We do not sell, rent or trade our email lists. View our Privacy Policy. FORUMS PRODUCT REVIEWS READER GALLERY HOW TO VIDEOS SHOP ABOUT US FREE MONTHLY NEWSLETTER SIGN UP By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. 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