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BACK IN THE SPOTIGHT--THE BOMBER GROUP BUILD (Medium and Heavy bombers from all eras)

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  • From: Harrisburg, PA
Posted by Lufbery on Wednesday, September 1, 2004 1:02 PM
Mike,

Your cat looks fantastic! Is there enough glass for the interior details to be visible when the fuselage is closed up?

Regards,

-Drew

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  • From: Saratoga Springs, NY
Posted by Jeeves on Wednesday, September 1, 2004 10:01 PM
Heya Drew...

I can answer this honestly now that I have closed her up...the engineer station and crew compartment do not show up....but the waist position and navigator/radar station do Smile [:)] Guess I can't complain LOL

Scott-- I am! Wink [;)]
Mike
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Posted by Lufbery on Thursday, September 2, 2004 9:40 AM
Mike,

I bet you're glad you took some pitures, then. You did some really fantastic work. For some reason, I especially like the can/head that you built. Big Smile [:D]

Regards,

-Drew

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Posted by Lufbery on Thursday, September 2, 2004 9:47 AM
Hi all,

Here's an update on my Martin MB-2 build:

The build isn't too bad, but clean up has been a lengthy affair. There were some strange bumps on the top of the top wing from a mold flaw. There were three of them, and I had to carve, and then sand them off without ruining the wing rib detail. That went pretty well.

Then I had to sand off four raised ejector pin pillars from the bottom wing's bottom part, and six from the top wing's bottom part. These pillars were about a 1/4 inch in diameter and maybe a 1/16th inch high. I finally broke down and bought some Squadron sanding sticks, and they made short work of the ejector pin marks.

They also made surprisingly short work of the long seams on the bottom of the wings. Each wing is approximately 10 inches long, which makes for 22 inches of seam to sand on each wing! To top it all off, this plastic is very hard and not easily sanded. In fact, it's the hardest plastic I've ever worked with.

I sprayed primer on the undersides of the wings. Naturally, I found some small seams that still need to be filled. I used White-out to fill the small seams and sanded that after it dried. The wings aren't perfect, but they?re pretty good now. I primed the upper surface of the wings last night. I'll be starting on the fuselage tonight or tomorrow.

I've been doing some work in Photoshop to do the artwork for the wooden floor decals I'm going to use in the cockpit and gunners' stations. I'll be using the Testors Decal System, so we'll see how that goes. I scanned the parts, and then overlaid some wood grain graphics on a different Photoshop layer. I'll just print that layer and see how the decals look. There are some good reference photos on this site (click the link), that seem to show the interior of the cockpit is an aluminum color, with a wooden floor, so that's what I'm going to do.

I tried out my new pin vice. I plan on drilling holes in the wings and fuselage for the rigging wires. I've never done this before, and was worried that I'd break something while drilling the holes. With that in mind, I drilled a hole through the sprue, and it worked fine! I was very pleased at this.

So, that's where I am. I'm enjoying the build, working slowly, and generally having a good time with it. I have an issue of Scale Modeler magazine from May 1989 that has been a good reference. There's also a build-up online here.

Both build-ups mention scribing triangles in the trailing edges to simulate the seams where the wings would fold. I don't know if I'm going to do that or not. The guy in the build-up above painted his interior wood colored, but as I said, I'll be going with aluminum. He also added a windscreen that doesn?t show up in any of the reference photos I've seen. He replaced the kit Lewis guns and Scarff rings with Aeroclub parts, and I'll do the same. I like how he folded the one wing and cut out the control surfaces, but I don't think I'll attempt that this time.

Regards,

-Drew

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  • From: 37deg 40.13' N 95deg 29.10'W
Posted by scottrc on Monday, September 6, 2004 9:28 AM
Heres a link to a poor pic at my finished B-25.
http://images1.fotopic.net/?iid=yfd26k&outx=600&oq=0
I have some better ones coming from the processor that I took in 35mm, but had to take on with my old digital just for confirmation that I did finish this plane. I wish it would show the handpainted noseart better. I'm really not that shakey, honest!

Scott

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  • From: Saratoga Springs, NY
Posted by Jeeves on Thursday, September 16, 2004 11:05 PM
OK....some more progress on these beasts...

PBY: mostly done....decals done...just need to add a few small parts... and as always-- at least until my birthday in Nov, please excuse the blurry closeups. This model will be hanging from the ceiling due to it's size....

The first two shots are of my waist gunners. The first gunner is giving some parting shots to the Tokyo Express while the second one is reacting to some flak scrapnel that caught him in the face. I don't normally depict this sort of thing, but decided to after reading one of the excerpts from the VP-81 diary.



And some close-ups of the nose showing off my AM Yellowhammer Black Cat decals...as well as the attempt at scratchbuilding Lahodney's guns-- a quad grouping of .50 calibers that added to the strafing power as the ship went down on it's run-- dropping a 500 pounder, then the 2 1000's, and then the final 500 pounder while flying the length of the ship--increasing the likelihood that the bigger bombs would get hits:



And finally- some shots of the Fortress I am also doing for this build:
Just finished applying Future-- so soon to come are decals, weathering, and some paint retouches.



And finally as close as I can get to my wired up engines...I used copper wire and it went smoothly.


Could someone remind me of the technique of using drops of pigment to simulate oil along the slipstream...I seem to remember reading something about adding a drop of wash or paint, and using a wet finger to wipe it away towards the direction of the slipstream.....
Mike
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Posted by fightnjoe on Friday, September 17, 2004 7:40 AM
wow some great progress. scott it looks excellent. cant wait for the next batch of pics.


mike outstanding work. really outstanding. thanks for posting it.


joe

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Posted by fightnjoe on Sunday, September 19, 2004 12:30 AM
i am finished. thankyou for letting me join this gb. the build taught me alot. and gave me inspiration for future builds. but before i end this one pic.



joe

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Posted by scottrc on Monday, September 20, 2004 11:10 AM
Beautiful Joe! Thats all I can sayBig Smile [:D]

Mike, I have naver seen a PBY set up in that array before, it too is a beautiful model.
Scott

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Posted by Jeeves on Monday, September 20, 2004 12:31 PM
Thanks guys....

It has been a series of trials with this one LOL.....I basically took some extra .50 caliber guns I had laying around and glued them inside the bomber window as the Black Cats removed their bombsights in lieu of flying really low over the ships they were bombing to drop them right on target. They had brass ones if you ask me......

Course-- then my decals decided to roll up and crack the day after I had applied the dull cote to them (and yes- I waited 48 hours before doing so)....not sure if it was a reaction with the dull cote, or just a Yellowhammer thing. Either way, I just brushed some liberal amounts of Micro Sol to them and at least they are laying down now...they are still cracked, but I don't think I can do anything to fix that Sad [:(] Hope to be done with both soon so I can move on to something smaller LOL

Mike
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Posted by Jeeves on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 5:46 AM
OK-- one of the two builds are done-- this is "Nite Life", a Black Cat of VP81. The Patrol Squadron, commanded by Commander Eugene P. Rankin, replaced VP-54 on 11/26/43. At the end of their tour, "Rankin's Night Raiders had flown 1,777 sorties, dropping 5,483 bombs and rescued 7 down airmen.

I used Badger Flat Black paint, and the Yellowhammer "Black Cats' decals...everything else is OOB except for a few homemade pieces to give the crew some "comfort" Wink [;)] Weathering was done using the Salt Technique.








This last pic gives a view of a special gun package devised by one of the more industrious Black Cat pilots. The bomb window, along with the Norden bombsight, was typically taken out of Black Cat Cats as their missions typically brought them right down close to the ocean surface, making the use of the bombsight impracticle. Instead, this package of a quad battery of .50 caliber machine guns was used in the approach to drop bombs and did a pretyy godd job of suppressing some enemy fire. Imagine a quiet watch on deck of a Japanese convoy ship or cruiser marred by a hail of lead from these "Lahodney's guns", quickly followed by 2 500 and 2 1000lb bombs....a waking nightmare to be sure!



And with that, I guess I can update my profile now to add in this badge....
Mike
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 23, 2004 1:49 PM
Jeeves & fightnjoe:
great looking builds guys, congratz 2 u both !
Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]
that's 2 thumbs up 4 each of u !!!! Big Smile [:D]

frostySmile [:)]
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Posted by fightnjoe on Saturday, September 25, 2004 8:08 PM
mike outstanding work. i love all the detail you put into this one.


scott and frosty thankyou.


joe

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Posted by Lufbery on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:11 PM
Hi all,

Just another quick update. I created wood grain decals for the cockpit and gunners' cockpit floors. I used the Testors custom decal making system. I initially thought I could just place the decals on the dark green plastic, but they're too translucent for that, so pimed the pieces, then painted them with radome tan. I applied a coat of Future, let it dry, and applied the decals without any problem. They look great!

I painted the inside of the fuselage aluminum, applied the instrument panel decal, painted the seats, and installed all the cockpit parts in the right side of the fuselage.

At this point I've closed up the fuselage and am ready to being sanding the seam. Yay, more sanding.

I'm going to order some replacement white metal Lewis guns and Scarff rings from Aeroclub tonight since the kit ones look pretty bad.

Regards,

-Drew

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  • From: Manila, Philippines
Posted by shrikes on Monday, October 18, 2004 12:30 AM
Okay! She's Done! Well... sort of. there are some bits that i want to do over, but it's presentable.

Here's my 1/72 Academy B-17G OOB.







Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by fightnjoe on Monday, October 18, 2004 8:35 AM
my friend that looks great. good stuff.


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Posted by Lufbery on Monday, October 18, 2004 8:44 AM
That's an excellent-looking B-17! How was the build? Is the Academy kit a good one?

Regards,

-Drew

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Posted by Lufbery on Monday, October 18, 2004 9:32 AM
Hi all,

Another short update: I started sanding the fuselage seam and, wonder of wonders, it's going really well! I guess after all the sanding I did on the wings, the fuselage seam is a piece of cake.

I'm hoping to get some photos taken soon with my parents' digital camera so I can post them here.

Regards,

-Drew

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Posted by shrikes on Monday, October 18, 2004 8:31 PM
Thanks, Joe and Drew!

The Academy kit is really the only B-17 around in 1/72. (The Hasegawa kits are really hard to find and have raised panel lines. I think there was a matchbox one too... but that may have been in 1/76)

The fit is alright, but you have to watch out for the wing dihedral, and there are often ghastly seams at the wing roots. aside from that and the usual crappy academy decals, the academy kit is great!
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Posted by Bossman on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 11:50 AM
Up until recently, progress on the 1/48 B-24D has been slow, but the last few nights have been rather productive as I have been modelling alot of the fiddly parts while watching the Yanks and the Sox battle it out on TV.

I hit a major snag though - please help if you can.

Just before joining the fuselage halves, I had to apply the small sections of the national insignia decals on the waist gunner doors. These are the only decals that are used on the interior, and I know they will be a foreshadowing of things to come. I have been worried about the decals because I know the kit that I bought is old. They aren't yellowed, but I'm guessing they've gotta be 10+ yrs.

The surface of the door is not perfectly flat. There is some raised rivet detail and the decal wraps over the door edge a little. The decals were incredibly stiff and they did't respond to setting solution. I armed myself with Micro-Sol and surprisingly that only had a mild effect. after the decal dried, I chipped off the loose pieces and painted the exposed areas with the appropriate color.

Any ideas ? I dont want to go through this with all of the decals - some of them need to cover even more irregular surfaces.

Other than that, things have gone well. Sorry I don't have pics for ya.

Chris
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 22, 2004 1:49 PM
shrikes:
that B-17 is awesome !!!!
someday i'll get up the courage 2 finish my Fort...
thanx 4 posting the pix,

frosty
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  • From: A little place I call earth
Posted by Vintage Aircraft on Friday, October 22, 2004 4:55 PM
Sorry about how long I have been gone, and the fact that I have not been posting here at all, and the fact I have not done anything in the way of updating this build, I appologize. I have been extreamly buisy with everything, models especially. There are several things that I need to get caught up on here, and seeing the lattest builds from all of you.
By the way the are so awesome, I love the B-17s, and the Black cat is amazing. Ill be trying to update this build here over the next few days.

Now on to the 1/48 B-24D The Lady Be Good.

Here are two photos of the model one an overall view and one a close up, I am hoping to have some more posted soon. These were taken at the MMSI figure show and I would like to thank Lawrence Hansen David Raatz, for taking these photos.

http://www.finescale.com/fsm/objects/images/mmsi2004-125.jpg

http://www.finescale.com/fsm/objects/images/mmsi2004-126.jpg


This model has about 6 to 7 months of work out into it equaling to around 275 total hours of construction time.

Interior:
90% of the rear portion of the bomber is scratch built , I had to extend the floor of the waist gunning position to the point of the break, I rebuild all of the structual members in the interior because I did not like how Monogram represented them. The oxygen bottels are from the Monogram B-29 kit, and the ammo belts are scratch built.

The Cockpit was built as is since not much detail is visable with the hazed over glass. It was then weathered with the base color of the aircraft and instaled.

Tail Exterior:
The tail turrent was converted back to the correct D version, that was the hardest part of construction, it took me two months to find enough pictures to get it right. The rear virtical stabalizer with all of its fabric gone was also scratch built using styreen strip. and the elivators were repositioned, and all of the fabric surfices were given the rotting fabric treatment.

Forward fusalage exterior:
The number four engine was removed and the insides built using a very good photo of the libs engine to work from.

The correct D version windows were put on the canopy, abd the nose bubble was damaged using a dremel thinning it out from behind, and making cracks by scribing them with a hobby knife.

The propelers are all bent to the correct angles useing photos enlarged to 1/48 and bending them until they matched.

The pealing deicer boots were made using apoxy putty, and the wrinkles in the skin were made wih a dremel tool and smoothed over with steel wool.

Paint weathering amd markings:

The overall color of the aircraft is Tamiya dark yellow. The aircrafts insigneas were airbrushed on using the kit decals as stencils. I used Tamiya medium blue to represent the faded insignea blue. The name and aircraft number were hand painted on using Tamiya paint. The aircraft is waethered also using Tamiya Dark yellow. What I did was only weather everything that was not dark yellow with dark yellow so that it gives the impression of the entire aircrfat being covered in dust.

Tha base is part of a cutt apart hallow door, and it was covered in a mixsture of celluclay, white glue and sand.

over all I had a very fun time building this kit.

I also hope to start posting back on here regularly. And sorry about how long this post is.

Vintage Aircraft

P.S. I want to thank Lawrence Hansen David Raatz again for taking there time to photograph my model, thank you.
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  • From: Clovis, Calif
Posted by rebelreenactor on Friday, October 22, 2004 5:13 PM
well........................ I am a really sorry to say this but, I am going to bow out of this GB. Sad [:(] I just got signed up with to many of em... and when I signed up for this one I was building Armor and Aircraft. Now I am building almost all armor. once again I am sorry.
Good luck to you all!
John
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  • From: A little place I call earth
Posted by Vintage Aircraft on Friday, October 22, 2004 6:56 PM
Hey Rebel its ok man , I know exactly how you feel, but good luck to you with the armor buisness, I guess you have gone to the darkl side they say. It was good having you
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  • From: The Redwood Empire
Posted by Aaronw on Monday, October 25, 2004 11:26 AM
Ok, I finally got started on something for this build but instead of the B-17 Air Tanker (I've already got 3 air tankers started and its been more work than I expected so I need a break building something else)

I'm going to be building an Italian Caproni CA-311 twin engine medium bomber, I just got started the other night but I'll put up a pic once I have something worth showing.
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  • From: Nashville, TN area
Posted by bobbaily on Thursday, October 28, 2004 8:50 AM
re:Vintage Aircraft 'Lady be Good'-super job-very impressive.

It is with regrets that I'm dropping from the GB-haven't purchased the B-26 yet and kinda burnt-after finishing the Monogram GB and soon to finish Auto Racing GB-no desire to start a project for at least a month. Looking forward to more GB's in the future-I especially enjoy the GB's with a historic background.

Vintage-thanks again for all your effort in this and the Monogram GB's

Bob

 

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Posted by Vintage Aircraft on Thursday, October 28, 2004 4:33 PM
Thats ok Bobbaily I know exactly how you feel, afteri finished my Lady be good about a month and a half ago I stopped building models becasue that build took alot out of me, and I am starting my builds up again november first, so I havent built anything for about two months now. But it was good having you in the monogram build and I must say I am impressed with it. But join me for my 2005 line up of builds, it should be awsome.
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Posted by Bossman on Thursday, October 28, 2004 10:06 PM
Reached 2 major milestones on the B-24D this evening:

1) All my greenhouse frames and multitudinous glass pieces are painted (Two colors: Zn Chromate green underneath good 'ol Olive Drab) This was an incredibly tedious process but it feels good to have it done - there !... I said it - IT'S DONE ! - I WILL NOT go back and pick at it with a toothpick or try to repaint miniscule nicks.

2) There are no more parts on sprues !

Still lots of work to go, but I'm chipping away.

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  • From: Nashville, TN area
Posted by bobbaily on Friday, October 29, 2004 7:18 AM
Thanks Vintage-already planning for the 60th Pacific GB & the Battle of the Bulge GB.

Looking forward to seeing more of your work.

Bob

 

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  • From: Pennsylvania
Posted by jay12472 on Saturday, October 30, 2004 8:45 AM
here is my 72 scale betty it also has the Okha with it but I forget to take pics.


Jason
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