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Posted by Zone V Afterburner on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 11:22 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by MA Cooke
EVERYONE: has anyone heard from Reggie in Singapore? He hasn't posted for a while. Hope he's doing OK. That kid is funny!


Nope I havn't heard from him either.I thought about shooting him an e-mail to see what was up,but I am about to leave for the week and would hate to take that long to reply to him if he responds.It looks like everyone is slavin' away.Awesome jobs on the painting everyone!..I have my cockpit painted,but I am not happy with it..Almost like there is not enough detail.So while I am out on the road I will give it some thought to see what I can come up with to improve it a little.Anyway you guys take care...I will chat at ya next week. Later on!!!

Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you........ Jesus Christ......and the American soldier..... One died for your soul......... The other....for your Freedom!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:14 PM
Great painting job all of you!!

Im working right now in my Has 1/48 F-14D, I hope i will post some pics soon!
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Posted by osjohnm on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 2:27 AM
Sentry, I think its a combination of hi and lo vis, its the CAG bird which is always rather bright.

I've done some test fitting and there shouldn't be any cockpit problems. The nose is another story.

Will post more pics once the cockpit is done and the front fuselage has been glued together.
John
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 5:51 AM
hi cat gang ! im baaaaaaaack !

it was pretty bad of me to drop off the radar all of a sudden, when school and softball got kinda hectic i pretty much had to put all the models into boxes and relegate them to under the table =( mitch and andrew both shot me emails, it warms my heart to know that i got buddies who still think of me even when i havent been around. i dont think i can break out the compressor and the sandpaper until late may, thats when the season ends for my division. looks like everyone here is on their way to putting out some beautiful tomcats, i better get cracking as soon as i can !
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 10:53 AM
welcome back reggie , its seems u n i are the nearest to each other im in sabah now , been here before ?

Hmm John im more interested on how u manage the nose job. cant wait to see your photo just to get some idea on how you tame the mono bird.

i just use pastel to darken some of the panel lines i really hope tp let the cat standing on the table .

Chaos guys
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 9:39 AM
nope, the furthest north ive been is penang. i was there for 1 1/2 weeks tompang-ing my dad's business trip. it was sooooooo boring! there isnt 1 1/2 weeks of stuff to do there, all there is to do is eat and look at old forts and rubbish. i would love to go to places like sabah and sarawak.

oh wait, i been to taman negara before, is that closer ? my malaysian geography is crappy [:S] taman negara was fun, we did all the hiking stuff and it rocked Smile [:)]
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Posted by armorman on Thursday, April 7, 2005 12:45 PM
WELCOME BACK REGGIE!!! Hope life is treating you well in the deep south pacific. I especially hope you are kicking a@@ in softball.
I got a question for everyone here.... I grabbed a 1/32 RoG F-14A at a swap for 10 bucks and (she's a beaut! great recessed lines and great cockpit!!!!) I see a Teknics cockpit detail set on Ebay. Will the two mesh?
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 1:58 PM
Sorry for my ignorance, but i have a question.
How I tell you i will buil a Hasegawa 1/48 F-14D 'CVW1-14'. This model came with two sets of decals, for VF-11 and VF-31.

I will build this model OOB(i live in Costa Rica and I canĀ“t find a good seller to buy aftermarket components), and i will use the VF-31 decals set. This VF-31 plane is a CAG plane. I want to know what is the meaning of CAG?.

Thanks!!
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Posted by osjohnm on Thursday, April 7, 2005 2:00 PM
Jon, here is a link to an article at ARC about the RoG F-14 where the Teknics seats were used.

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Fea1/301-400/Fea361_F-14_Gok/Fea361.htm
John
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Posted by armorman on Thursday, April 7, 2005 5:54 PM
osjohnm- thanks for the info! It seems that the tomcat bug has bitten me even though the Academy kit can be a real pain in the ass. I am either thinking of upgrading it to a D, which would require signifigant investment- or leaving it an 'A' and using the Eduard interior and exterior set. I'm not sure yet. Probably be an A but we'll see. It's certainly an impressive sucker in the box. From what I hear it builds up pretty well. Again, we'll see. Thanks for the info!
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Posted by bstrump on Thursday, April 7, 2005 8:18 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by joscasle
I want to know what is the meaning of CAG?.

Thanks!!

CAG= Commander-Air Group. So these decals represent the aircraft assigned to the highest ranking officer in the air wing. I like modeling CAG birds, too, because they're always the best looking and I like to go as high up the chain of command as possible. I can't wait to see pics of your project.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 8:24 PM
Thanks bstrump for taking me out of my ignorance :) !!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 10:30 PM
amour: 10 bucks for 32 scale man that is cheap... i have to pay fortune even to get a 48th. but its seems like a nice bird tho i have check the site by Kaan. I do agree this cat thing do leaves marks in our mind. If i can i still lookin for some cats even with the pricey tags

Well reggie we do have one taman negara here as we got the highest mount in south pacific here not sure if it was the same with the one u been thro as that is in east m'sia.
i din go there to both of them though. any way we sabahans will welcome u

any one has any idea on how to do Remove before flight tags? do these cats use them often?
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Posted by osjohnm on Friday, April 8, 2005 4:17 AM
Jon, when u start the RoG Cat please keep us informed?

I've seen the 1/32 kit locally for R400 (rands). With the current $ exchange rate of 6:1 thats about $67. My Italeri cost R189 and I saw a Hasa Cat for R350. A 1/32 Tamiya kit is R1500.

Hence I've start shopping online, even with shipping it is cheaper. Anyway getting back to the point at hand I might be tempted to get the 1/32 RoG and would like to know if its worthwhile.

The F-14 bug has bitten me too. As old as it is it still looks better than most things in the air today.
John
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Posted by osjohnm on Friday, April 8, 2005 7:04 AM
Hi guys

Me again. As I mentioned before, the F-14 bug has bitten and I've been thinking of all the combination of loadouts that I could model. I realise that most of the bombs and missiles will come from Hasegawa weapon kits.

I was wandering if you guys could point me in the right direction with regards to which kits by default will have all the pylons required to build the following or alternatively which conversion kits are out there?

Here goes:

4x AIM-54 Phoenix
4x Mk83
2x JDAM
2x GBU
John
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 8, 2005 7:19 PM
Possibly the Hasegawa F-14D kits or the 'Bombcat' kits. I wish RM would provide them in 1/48! The Revell 1/48 F-14D only has missile pylons. You could go aftermarket.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 8, 2005 7:43 PM
Th Has f-14D kit that i have only have pilons, I think you will need to buy the weapons kit
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Posted by bstrump on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:39 PM
The Tamiya 1/32 scale F-14A Black Knights has all the stuff for a "proper" bombcat, except for the JDAMs. In 48 and 72 scale, the Hasegawa "Black Knights History" gives you some (LANTIRN pod and adapter pylon and the newer style Sidewinder rails), but you still have to get the weapons sets to get the rest.
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Posted by MA Cooke on Friday, April 8, 2005 9:04 PM

Sad [:(] Ashamed [*^_^*] Sigh [sigh]

I hang my head in shame, fellahs...I apologize for my actions.

My wife and I have been arguing for a few days over typical married couple stuff (money) and I've just had the most awful day today.

I came home from work, sat at my workbench for a few, then my anger management skills went to pot. Remember this from last week?



Well, I picked up a rubber mallet and smashed the hell out of it. I hit it so hard that the resin cockpit tub (Black Box) broke into 3 pieces, one went flying 10 ft across the basement.

I've got serious anger management issues...please, not to worry, I do not, I have not ever hit anyone out of anger. Not my wife, nor my kids, nor any of my dogs, ever. I just smash my stuff.

So I'm withdrawing from the hobby for a while, I may attempt another Has. F-14 down the road, but I don't know. Since November I've started nine kits, finished two, smashed 7...the two I finished are 1/72 "easy ones" that I painted pink and purple for my 3 year-old daugher. And two Has. F-14's, one an A- model, and now the D- model. I don't know what to say...I feel ashamed. And remorseful, I can't f**king believe I smashed it, after putting some 70 to 80 hours into it. Arrghhhhhhh..... Ashamed [*^_^*]

I've got a bunch of stuff on e-bay for auction...

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZmonkeysalad03

May as well recoup some money if I can, I don't want to start any of these then end up smashing them.

Nice working with you guys. Take care.




On Bench: AM P-51B, Tamiya 1/48 F4U-1A On Deck: Hasegawa F-14's (too many); Tamiya P-47D; Academy P-47N;
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Posted by bstrump on Saturday, April 9, 2005 12:10 AM
Geez, I was really looking forward to seeing it all done up in full colours, Mitch. Sorry it had to end like this. However, when you're not having fun, it's time to pack it in and do something else for a while. I hope that whatever your issues are, you can get them dealt with and return to the hobby soon. Take care my friend.
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Posted by armorman on Saturday, April 9, 2005 6:39 AM
like bstrump said Mitch, pack it up and put it away for a while. Don't worry- it'll be there when you are ready to jump back in. I'm sorry it had to be a victim of a rubber mallet but we ALL have squashed something in anger before. Don't be ashamed, not one bit. We'll still be here too. Sucks to see you go, amigo.
Fellas- maybe we can help him convert some kits to dollars on ebay?
Sentry- I got SO lucky finding this big 'Turkey' at a swap for such a good deal. I'm going to really do it justice.
osjohnm- simply looking at the kit, it appears to be very well detailed. A few inaccuracies but nothing that cannot be fixed. (Panel lines). The cockpit included is a damn site better than the Tamiya offering. If I were to stay with the 'A' model I would use the kit's seats- they are that good. Instrument panel is pretty nice, raised details. As far as how it goes together I will say that the Tamiya kit may have a better breakdown of parts. But we'll see. Two versions are floating around in my head and Yellowhammer has both. Get the Teknics 'D' conversions and make the 'Black Lions' bird; or get the 'A' cockpit set (and save a bit of money) and do the Sundowners bird. She's be pretty sexy with those markings. But I will keep the build progress on-line when I start her up. First I gotta finish this pesky Academy turkey. Once this sucker bites it sure is difficult to put it down!
And Mitch- Take care, bud
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Posted by pingtang on Saturday, April 9, 2005 8:48 AM
Sorry to see you go mitch. I think we've all contemplated smashing a model at one stage (I've had a 1/350 scale Bismarck battleship flying across a room at one stage), so don't feel ashamed about it. Go have a break from the hobby for a while, and you'll come back more enthusiastic than ever.

Take it easy mate.
-Daniel
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 12:13 PM
Sorry to see you go Mitch! We will all build our kits in your honor. I expect to see you back here soon. Take some time and be with your kids and wife. I have been down that road myself. Take care!

I am going to shoot the F-14 with another coat of gull gray. I got the first coat a bit too thin and it didn't cover very well. Oh well! Live and learn!
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Posted by osjohnm on Saturday, April 9, 2005 5:41 PM
Hi all

No progress to report, haven't touched the kit this weekend.

Thx for the assistance with the possible kit options out there.

Mitch,sorry to see you go. Take it easy, hope to see u back here soon.
John
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 10, 2005 7:06 AM
Hi mitch im so sorry to hear of your misfortune, i still remembers my GF argue with me on those models too. Sighs after that i never told her of the thing i bought i just let it go. I smashed my mono bird before this has Bird. But it is hard for me to smash it now.

Take care buddy hope u be ok soon. Maybe i will take a look at your things to sell.

I din much either just came back for out of town. I still in the process of drawing all those panels lines. I did try to detail up a side winder from an airfix harrier kit. I may use it on the cat , as i have none of the has weapon set .

John i think the F14D Vx 9 kit ( if u can get in somewhere) may have of the weapons u mentioned plus a metal rail for the Mk 823or GBU I guess.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 10, 2005 9:07 AM
Mitch,

Take care of home base and get back when you can. The one thing I can say is that at least your wife cares enough about you to argue, If she didn't care about you anymore she wouldn't say a word! I tend to be a thrower, not a smasher but it can give similar results! Take care and thanks for all of the inspiration you have given me so far.

I, as well have not made much progress. I still have some minor finish sanding to do, then preshading and paint. I may try to get some weapons painted today but the wife is already talking about a mall run for clothes for my son, so it's not looking good. That being said I guess we all have to learn to live with our families and prioritize accordingly. You guys have a great rest of the weekend!

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Posted by armorman on Sunday, April 10, 2005 11:54 AM
No progress this weekend. Probably none the next, as well. But that is okay since all I really have left to do is gloss coat, decal, insert the wings and gear and attach the weps. I've decided that I must be ADD because I am getting ready to start the 1/32 F-14A with the teknics cockpit. Undecided on the decals yet but I'll figure it out soon. This is going to be my show bird- barring any screwups. So, everyone enjoy their weekends!
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 11, 2005 12:28 AM
First Mitch, I'm sorry to hear about the mishap. I have been known to do such things to myself. I don't hit anyone either so usually something will take the punishment. An occasional model may be the victim. Though usually something in progress not completed. See ya soon.
Well it was a wonderful day in the neighborhood. Great modeling weather here in So. California and took advantage of it. Last week I painted the base color of Lt Gull Grey. During the week I masked off the upper nose and canopy to paint MM Satin Black. A semi gloss paint.

This isn't so simple to do. Must be careful to mask this area correctly so both sides come out even and the rear area have a continuing spear that follows the contour of the fuselage hump.

At least I got the nose correct but I did leave the Lh side spear a little longer than the RH side. I will correct this later by hand.


That done I will carefully remove the mask and hopefully won't lift up any of the Gull Grey underneath. After that I will put her aside for a bit and mask off the vertical tails for the red trim. More to follow.
Chuck
Fly Navy

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 11, 2005 12:42 AM
While masking the tails off for the red trim, I will be using Testor Flat Insignia Red for this evolution.

This time being a little more careful especially for overspray on any of the outlying areas of the airframe. And boy sorry for the blurry image. The tails came out perfect after this painting session.

Nice when you take your time. The edges are sharp and perfect to where I wanted them to be for this scheme.

Don't really care for the overall Lt Gull Grey that some F-14 Sqn's have adopted over the years (VF-111 is another), but the red adds a touch of color to this scheme. So now at this point she is coming along nicely. No hiccups, the AB is being nice to me today. So far so good and now I will set her aside again to do the natural metal leading edges on the wings. But for now she is about ready to lock and load.


A couple of images before I go on to mask off the wings. More to follow.

Chuck
Fly Navy
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 11, 2005 1:18 AM
With my haste to hurry when I first started this in January at the time we were given till March 1st to complete this GB. I had neglected to paint the leading edges natural metal. I had already painted and decaled them before installing them to the airframe. It would not be an issue if I had used the kit wings as I can alway pull them out to paint. But if you remember these are the Academy F-14 wings I have used and they are permanently installed. So now here I am to go back and paint the leading edges with MM Buffing Aluminum Metalizer.

Again very carefully masking off each wing as well as not tape over any decals or they will peel off when the masks are removed. Again careful with the overspray as well. When this is done, all I have left is to paint the gun port and this will be MM Non Buffing Gun Metal Metalizer.
Here is the Fujimi cat next to a pair of Desert Storm Vets that are in a various state of progress. A Qatari Alpha Jet (Airfix) and a RAF Tornado (Hasegawa).


This image taken right after removing the masks from the wings. Well the gun port is painted and that is all with painting we are done (exept for the flat coat after decaling and weathering).
It is weathering time. Navy aircraft even in peace time get dirty while performing normal carrier ops. Now in hi-tempo war time operations, even more so. So out comes the Burnt Umbar wash. We start first with the landing gear bays. A 000 tip brush and thinner we lightly edge each wire harness and bulkheads to highlight the interior framing and details.

While doing this I take notice that I missed the aft portion of the nose landing gear bay needs to be painted white. Oh well, so much for anymore airbrushing. Will go back and hit that later.

I will go now concentrate on the lower part of the airframe. Lightly go over each panel line. A quick flick of the wrist and create some streaking as hydraulic fluid and oil seep into jetstream. Very carefully, rather have a little than too much.

This is very basic, just looking at some photographs helps where to place such streaking to give a well worn used A/C.

I'll go over again after decaling to make it more even and blotchy at the same time.

The nose is a high traffic and well used area of the aircraft. So many hand prints, panel removal and servicing is apparent here. Not a very good image of the nose. But after the decals are applied will go over it again.

The area on the top of the fuselage will have a patchy appearance. With maintenance personnel walking, replacing paneling, servicing will show up quite well here. This area quite large though not as large as the F-15.

After a quick weather wash. It is now decaling time. Being an operational bird in wartime. There won't be as much stenciling as much of it has rubbed off and been overpainted. Though there is still plenty to apply so the next several days will be devoted to decaling and then a little more weathering and different shades of Lt Gull Grey will be applied to simulate replacement panels and hopefully give off a patchy appearance. This scheme is not as easy to weather as say the tri-color TPS Tomcats. We'll see what happens.

Chuck
Fly Navy


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