AIRCRAFT - Battle of Britain Group Build (Jan 1st 2005 - May 31st 2005)

QUOTE: Originally posted by KINGTHAD For you guys down under it does get cold in Texas sometimes...... Thad

QUOTE: Originally posted by Aurora-7 QUOTE: Originally posted by KINGTHAD For you guys down under it does get cold in Texas sometimes...... Thad HA! You want cold, try New England now! High noon and 11 degrees F!

QUOTE: Originally posted by razordws QUOTE: Originally posted by Aurora-7 Originally posted by KINGTHAD For you guys down under it does get cold in Texas sometimes...... Thad HA! You want cold, try New England now! High noon and 11 degrees F! PBBBFTTTT!!!! Don't even start complaining about cold weather until you've spent a winter up here. Don't complain about cold until you come to Canada in the winter, remember last week I was complaining about -33C, thats -27 F to those south of the 49th. But today it has turned around to a balmy +8C (46F). Which makes for a real mess out on the roads!Calgary gets weird weather with all our Chinooks melting everything periodically (no, not the silly looking double chopper thingy) we get periods of lots of snow then no snow, then more snow then no snow ... A little off topic, sorry. My Hasegawa Hurricane is starting to look good (I started painting the cockpit pieces yesterday!) after 8+ years away it sure feels good. It is a very nice kit with not much fitting problems. I can't remember who mentioned it but the ejector pin marks in the wheel wells will be nasty to fill in, probably the only major thing I'll have to worry about. Like I said, this is going to be an almost OOTB. Yes gentlemen, (I hope that is the correct term) I agree with Whytwolf, this has been a fun and interesting group so far I'm glad I joined. JAY - fighting evil since 2:15pm, July 8,1976 - Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 3:38 PM Hey Jay, is that Hasegawa that you're building a 1/48? I think I may have been bitten by the Hurricane bug.... Sean Reply Edit tweety1 Member since August 2003 From: Alice Springs Australia Posted by tweety1 on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 4:33 PM Hey Darren, whats the differance between Pledge and Future????? Well, I'm on the losing side of a battle with free time. Trying to make headway on my model is proving difficult, but have managed to get the upper camo scheme done, now it's a final spray of 65 underneath, Pledge and some decals. With luck I'll have that sorted by the end of this weekend. Tom, as a trade for the Future, hows 'bout me and Jules get together and package up a nice small Red Roo for ya. Think of it as a pony, you can take it for rides, and have it box Nurse Kremp. And I dont have a thing for her, it's my eyesight letting me down!! --Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens??? Reply tweety1 Member since August 2003 From: Alice Springs Australia Posted by tweety1 on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 4:36 PM Jules CONGRATULATIONS on the big 1000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nicely done mate, see, senseless drivvle can be rewarding huh!! --Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens??? Reply tho9900 Member since July 2004 From: SETX. USA Posted by tho9900 on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 5:39 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1 Tom, as a trade for the Future, hows 'bout me and Jules get together and package up a nice small Red Roo for ya. Think of it as a pony, you can take it for rides, and have it box Nurse Kremp. And I dont have a thing for her, it's my eyesight letting me down!! I dunno... can it wear a dress? I mean, I do like to go out dancing now and then... (It's gotta dance better than my wife! ) Hmmm might be worth an extra bottle just for the roo... although one of those big grey ones look almost big enough to ride! It'd be a lot cheaper ride to work and I am sure all the women would love my sporty new ride! And if someone tried to steal it... BOP!!! right in the eye! If tomorrow goes like today it'll probably be the end of the week before I can post that to yall... whoever lives nearest a larger airport would probably be best to send it to as it will be air mail. Otherwise you'd have to wait for them to truck it out to ya then mail it back off to everyone... ---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it! Reply jboutin Member since December 2004 From: 288921 E, 5659868 N UTMz12, NAD83 Posted by jboutin on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:32 PM Whytwolf; yes it is 1:48, I have always built in that scale and I like for the level of detail you can put on it and still see. Though with costs of things these days, I think I may have to try some 1:72, half the price of 1:48 is something to consider. I am really disappointed that the canopy is all one piece, the kit has some good cockpit details to start with, a shame to cover it up! I am going to sctach me up a compass and gun site, the kit parts are kind of smallish and don't look right. About the canpy, has anyone tried to saw it in half so as to have an open canopy, I didn't really want to go AM for that part. Also, does anyone have pics of the seatbelt/harness for a hurricane? I want to make my own and haven't seen a good picture of one in my references or on the net. thanks JAY - fighting evil since 2:15pm, July 8,1976 - Reply darson Member since February 2003 From: Melbourne, Australia Posted by darson on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:33 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1 Hey Darren, whats the differance between Pledge and Future????? Sean, the biggest practical differences that I found are; The way Future takes a wash and by that I mean that say with my Spitfire when I Furtured the cockpit parts the other day and then applied a wash. The wash "whisks" along using a sort of capillary action, in other words it flows very nicely. You get a nice even flow of wash especially in panel lines which is something I found that One-Go does not do. Future has much better self-levelling qualities than On-Go does once it is sprayed or bushed on to a models surface. I have heard (this has never happened to me though) that One-Go can have an impact on some acrylic paint. There is also the smell, One-Go is ammonia based which stinks, while Future has a pleasant sort of smell (to me anyway). Cheers Darren Reply tho9900 Member since July 2004 From: SETX. USA Posted by tho9900 on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:00 PM yeah Future has kind of a "flowery" smell for lack of a better word but real faint... hmmm could sell it for cologne next... I could become a Future mogul! yeah with the right amount of future even dull paint will not absorb your washes, thery glide across and wipe off easy. Once dry they are fine though.... you don't need to coat it heavy, just a couple of light mist coats should do it. I always brush it on areas where large decals will go making it totally glossy... seems to help the decal sit down right without bunching or wrinkling. ---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it! Reply osher Member since April 2003 From: Edgware, London Posted by osher on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:35 PM About the Hurricane harness... try the Hannants website www.hannants.co.uk and look up the etched parts for the Hurricane. You can download the diagrams, which show how the parts look. I don't know if the Hurricane follows the same pattern as the Spitfire, but for early aircraft the 'Sutton' harness is needed. This is pale creamy yellow, with brass lined holes running all the way down it. Many built models I've seen have the later, more common, harness, including models of early aircraft, which is wrong. However, for a Mk.1 Spit (and I guess a Hurricane), the Sutton is right. (I have a part built BoB Tamiya Spit, and found that no one could tell me which Eduard belt I needed, hence having to research the subject). If you get really desperate, I have an Airwaves etched set for the Airfix Hurricane Mk.1 1/72, and I could scan it for you. (as an update: I meant to just order PE parts for my 110, but ended up ordering for the 109 too, plus a mask for German mottles, which I'd never heard of, but plan to use a lot of!) Reply tho9900 Member since July 2004 From: SETX. USA Posted by tho9900 on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:49 PM hey osher! got your email this morning just haven't had a chance to reply... been one of those days!!! Interesting note about the harnesses and I will have to remember that... By chance when you were researching it did you notcie what later planes like the Typhoon had in them? I am doing one for the Aussie GB and it has the car door type canopy so I plan to use some PE on the inside... just want to get the interior reasonably right! ---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it! Reply osher Member since April 2003 From: Edgware, London Posted by osher on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 8:01 PM Hi Tom, sorry, no just Spitfire research. However, I think I can surmise that only early aircraft used the Sutton. It would be right for BoB, but I think by 1941 it was replaced. Here is my Tamiya 1/48 Spitfire, with AM PE Eduard Sutton harness. The brass 'holes' are represented by red dots. At the bottom can be seen a tug handle of some nature on a fire wire (finer than hair I think). There are silver buckles etc. At the top (near the camera), the two parts of the Sutton merge, with a diamond shape pattern (one runs under the other, but is near enough hidden, unless you look really carefully). Behind the seat, the harness runs to a point in the fuselage. In the pre-production Spits it ran to the base of the radio mast. However, one test pilot flipped his Spit. The radio mast was pushed into the fuselage. As the harness was attached, this was also pulled in, and killed the pilot. However, pre-production Spits were not in the BoB of course! One problem with close up pictures is that you see errors, over-painting, etc, that you miss out with the naked eye. Honestly, my Spit doesn't look that bad in the flesh! Reply rjkplasticmod Member since February 2003 From: A Spartan in the Wolverine State Posted by rjkplasticmod on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 8:15 PM Jay, Here is the excellent resin seat with cast on seatbelts for the Hurricane Mk. I from Ultracast. Can't do much better than that. Regards, Rick RICK At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All... Reply tho9900 Member since July 2004 From: SETX. USA Posted by tho9900 on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 8:20 PM looks mighty nice from here Osher! A lot of the pics I post are just for that... I take the pics to spot the flaws... then post them. Another thing I learned on my own here... I noticed on one build, the first I ever posted pics of that the paint on the cockpit floor was splotchy... so I corrected it... next pic my eye was drawn to a drop of paint on the control stick etc... I take a LOT of pics through my builds now just for kicks because I can usually spot something... I try to not let minor things bother me... but things like that cockpit floor would have been apparent in the right light to anyone else... I can probably go back to every pic of my Martlet so far and point out 10 things you may or may not see.. but for me I spot it in an instant! Like you spot things with your model! It took awhile but I am becoming brazen about posting pics of my builds now... no one has ever criticized and I've got some good hints here and there for things that helped it get better! ---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it! Reply tho9900 Member since July 2004 From: SETX. USA Posted by tho9900 on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 8:23 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by rjkplasticmod Jay, Here is the excellent resin seat with cast on seatbelts for the Hurricane Mk. I from Ultracast. Regards, Rick Rick, ok I am sold on Ultracast... heard you speak good words of them... but like they say, a picture is worth 1000 words! I'm going check out what they have tonight!!! Thats a mighty sharp looking seat! and a lot easier than beinging PE till my back gets sore trying to get the harnesses right... ---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it! Reply osher Member since April 2003 From: Edgware, London Posted by osher on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 8:27 PM Cool! I never thought of using pictures as a means of identifying errors, but with the advance of digital, it makes perfect sense. Thanks for the kind words too. Actually, that was the first time I ever used AM. I initially used too little CA, so I used a dollop the next time. The result was the part of the seat surface melted! Luckily, it's not noticable, unless I point it out. The last year and a half, since I got back into modelling have been very educational! (I also re-learnt that when washing hands, paint splatters everywhere in the bathroom) Reply osher Member since April 2003 From: Edgware, London Posted by osher on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 8:29 PM Oh, just to add: the Ultracast seat is using the Sutton harness. Reply tho9900 Member since July 2004 From: SETX. USA Posted by tho9900 on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 8:33 PM Lol! and remember that an open bottle of paint is an invitation to ruining 3 good bath towels!!! (personal experience ) yeah I notice every flaw on my models but somewhere along the line I just decided what the hey and posted them... after 2 or 3 days and no one laughed me off the forum, or appeared at my house with torches and pitchforks to lynch me I though maybe I would try it again. I know my skills are nowhere NEAR others here, but I like showing what I am doing... (especially because I like to build what no one has built before, at least for GB's haha) And I learn everytime... and mostly I have fun with it! And honestly your cockpit looks good! I can't see any obvious faults in it... if you pointed them out I would probably notice them, but when I see the pic I am not looking at what you are looking at! that's the biggest thing I learned with my pics... it seems they always notice something good about the build, even if all I see is the bad... edit actually I can't remember where but I've read about the Sutton harness... ---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it! Reply madmike Member since July 2003 From: Perth, Western Australia Posted by madmike on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 8:37 PM Where do you get these Ultracast seats? I need a Sutton harness for my Monogram Spitfire mkIIa and if these Ultracast seats are easy to come by down under and at the right price, maybe I might opt for that instead.... cheers Mike "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei Reply rjkplasticmod Member since February 2003 From: A Spartan in the Wolverine State Posted by rjkplasticmod on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 8:41 PM They are a Canadian firm. I order from their web site. www.ultracast.ca Regards, Rick RICK At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All... Reply osher Member since April 2003 From: Edgware, London Posted by osher on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 8:44 PM Hi Mike, the Cutting Edge set for the Spit (OK, Tamiya, but I guess OK for Monogram) is available from Sandlehobbies in Oz. From what I can see, it looks good too, but is an entire cockpit, and costs £18 in England. Edited to add: one problem with posting at 3am is forgetting to write something! I meant that I've seen their bf-109 seat, and it's really impressive, so I guess their Spitfire cockpit is the same. Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 10:37 PM Well, save for some minor touch up work, my little dry transfer masking experiment worked like a charm. Step 1: After priming, I painted the underside Camoflage Grey (yes, I know it should be Sky Blue, but I never really liked that color anyways ) and the fuselage side Voodoo Grey. Step 2: After the underside is masked with blue tack, and I doused the fuselage with a bit of Future to get a smooth finish, I then rubbed the dry transfer for the code letters onto the fuselage. Step 3: Well, apparently I suck at photography . After spraying the Light Earth over the fuselage I masked in the camo areas with blue tack. Step 4: A quick shot of Dark Green and then pulling the blue tack masking off leaves us looking like this.... Step 5: Finally, using a small piece of masking tape I pull off the dry transfers piece by piece, revealing the Grey code letters below. The photo is bad, but you may be able to see that the fuselage ribbing/ripples allowed some of the brown to bleed under the dry transfer masks, leaving me with a bit of clean up. Well, overall, I'm quite pleased. I'll be doing some touchup work when I close this puppy up and clean and paint the seams so I'm not too worries about minor imperfections--heck, some of that will dissapear with the weathering. Now I'm off for another coat of Future to seal it all, and then tomorrow--onto the starboard side! Sean Reply Edit darson Member since February 2003 From: Melbourne, Australia Posted by darson on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 10:41 PM The sutton harness was actually used throughout the war, but it's use varied from aircraft to aircraft. For instance Commonwealth P-40's used the sutton harness until the end of the war whereas the spitfire used the Q-type harness from the Mk.VIII onwards. Best check your references. Also, here is a link to some info on the sutton harness in the spitfire. http://folk.uio.no/hungnes/avia/spitfire/Sutton.html Mike, I have ordered heaps from the Ultracast site and had it shipped to Aus without any problems. Their stuff is superb BTW, I highly recommend it. In fact I would be using their new spitfire seat (with sutton harness) on my BoB Spit, but I already had the Cutting Edge seat handy. Oh, if cutting edge takes your fancy you can order the seat (with or without full cockpit replacement) from www.meteorprod.com. Once again no probs shipping to Aus Tom, You should have a look at the Ultracast sight for their Typhoon seat (wrong GB I know ). As you are doing the Ib you will need the early seat with the sutton harness. Cheers Darren Reply osher Member since April 2003 From: Edgware, London Posted by osher on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 6:00 AM Thanks Darren for the seatbelt info. Just when I thought I'd had an idea of harness useage, I find the situation is more complex. Isn't it always the case?! Reply KINGTHAD Member since May 2004 From: Dallas Posted by KINGTHAD on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 8:27 AM Tweety1, Are you looking for some future? If you are drop me a line maybe I can send ya some. Thad Reply « First«27282930313233»Last » JOIN OUR COMMUNITY! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login Register SEARCH FORUMS FREE NEWSLETTER SIGN UP By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. We do not sell, rent or trade our email lists. View our Privacy Policy. 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