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jboutin

Member since
December 2004
From: 288921 E, 5659868 N UTMz12, NAD83

Posted by jboutin on Friday, February 18, 2005 9:24 AM

Rick, nice cockpit, those ultracast seats are really nice, I wonder if I should try one for my next build, zero or kate, not sure which GB I'll do first (pearl harbour or midway).

I love the show Survivor!
Reason: my wife is a huge fan and she has watched all of them, what it means for me -guaranteed one night a week to work on my builds!!! rock 'n roll! Tongue [:P]

JAY - fighting evil since 2:15pm, July 8,1976 -

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tweety1

Member since
August 2003
From: Alice Springs Australia

Posted by tweety1 on Friday, February 18, 2005 7:58 AM

Well, the PE I ordered for the BoB 109 arrived today, only took 2 1/2 months.
But, I will use it on the Nth African 109!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gotta love the 109's.
So any idea when the Nth African GB starts??????????

--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???

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tweety1

Member since
August 2003
From: Alice Springs Australia

Posted by tweety1 on Friday, February 18, 2005 7:55 AM

Daniel, MOST of the pits were in 02, but it also depends on how much service the a/c did during that time.
The typical 'whatever is lying around' attitude really fits well with 109's, and the camo colours has alot to do with the JG group the a/c served with.
While the RLM had an outlined plan for the splinter schemes, artistic license played a large part.
Best to a little research on the topic.

--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???

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KJ200

Member since
July 2003
From: Bicester, England

Posted by KJ200 on Friday, February 18, 2005 7:39 AM

QUOTE:
One question though..... What RLM colours were standard for the camo at the time of the BoB? And seeing as though it's an early war 109, would the cockpit be RLM 02? Or would it be the later RLM 66? Thanks in advance.

PintangThe cockpit would definitely have been 02, however camo colours varied greatly using combinations of 65/02/70 &71 though I have also seen reference to 74/75 being used in 1940 as well!

See links below:

http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?FULL=EAG4866
http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?FULL=AMD48582

Think good references might be needed on this one.

Karl

Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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tho9900

Member since
July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Friday, February 18, 2005 7:03 AM

Sean, I'm not worried about Kremps... see I am making the Martlets for her.. she sells them out in front of the park and thats how she is getting money to eat... Actually I do plan on doing a 109 soon... not sure when with all the other stuff I have going on between real life and group builds...

you ought to stop by the battle of midway GB... same cast of characters pretty much... if you behave yourself I'll even allow a CAC Sabre or 109 in the build... only probs you have to do them in two tone US camo 1942 scheme...

Daniel, the interior would be RLM 02, it's early in the morning and I haven't had coffe but I think the 65 underside and 66/70 uppers would be about right for the splinter camo if you are doing that..

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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pingtang

Member since
April 2003
From: NSW, Australia

Posted by pingtang on Friday, February 18, 2005 4:37 AM

I might have another entry for this GB. I picked up Tamiya's 1/48 BF109-E3 from the local toy store. They had 40% off so I grabbed it while I had the chance. Should look good next to the spitfire when done.

One question though..... What RLM colours were standard for the camo at the time of the BoB? And seeing as though it's an early war 109, would the cockpit be RLM 02? Or would it be the later RLM 66? Thanks in advance.

-Daniel

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 18, 2005 3:40 AM

Thad your III is coming along nicely Thumbs Up [tup]

keep the pics coming.....

Rick Nice job on the pit Thumbs Up [tup]

The instrument panel looks great Thumbs Up [tup]

Tweetymate i'll have a couple of pics of this Stuka up tommorrow, i just wanna clean the nose up a bit.........I had to order a Scribe from VIC today, for some reason my LHS doesn't carry them, it should be here by the middle of next week so i'm gonna have to busy myself with the little things........

Darren It's here, i got the package in the mail today, i havn't yet had a chance to look at the discs but I'll load them up later tonight.......
Thanks again buddy Thumbs Up [tup]

Tom How are ya mate Question [?]

i figured seein as though i made comments to all of the above i couldn't leave you out so How are ya mate.........
BTW Not another Martlett / Wildcat, this time a big one, sorry mate but i'm gonna have to give Old Kremps a call again Evil [}:)]

Hmmm havn't you ever had the urge to build a nice ME 109G or something Question [?]

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KJ200

Member since
July 2003
From: Bicester, England

Posted by KJ200 on Friday, February 18, 2005 2:41 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by jboutin

Karl, why cut the ailerons out of the upper wing halves, why not the bottom too. are you going ot reposition them? I just cut the edges in to give them a "separate from the rest of the wing" look.

JayI've already done the lower wing ailerons, that's how I discovered that the Ultracast replacements were 1.5mm too short Angry [:(!]

just need to get around to doing the upper wing panels, as well as removing the elevators from the horizontal stabilisers. The latter will be fun as these are extremely thick!!!

I'm hoping to get all this done this weekend, hopefully allowing for some painting next weekend.

I'm at work so can't see any of the pictures that everyones posted, dreaded red Xs, have to have a good look tonight, especially Riks Hurri cockpit, see if I can't pick up any extra ideas.

Karl

Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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tho9900

Member since
July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, February 17, 2005 8:17 PM

I had to go back and look Rick... it is the 1/32 on the side... all the other pics are the other 1/24 HobbyCraft kits so I assumed this one was.. oh well... a 1/32 Martlet it is then!!! (too bad they dont have it in 1/24 Disapprove [V]

) those are big kits!!!

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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rjkplasticmod

Member since
February 2003
From: A Spartan in the Wolverine State

Posted by rjkplasticmod on Thursday, February 17, 2005 8:10 PM

thanks Daniel.

Tom, I don't know of any 1/24 Wildcats. The Hobby Craft kit is, I think, a rebox of the Trumpeter 1/32 kit.

Regards, Rick

RICK

At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...

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pingtang

Member since
April 2003
From: NSW, Australia

Posted by pingtang on Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:57 PM

That looks great Rick. The instrument panel looks very realistic. Thanks for sharing.

-Daniel

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tho9900

Member since
July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:44 PM

[:0] I was walking out of the hobby room and happened to have my 1/24 Spit laying on the Futon... I've seen the pic of the Wildcat on the side 1000 times but it just hit me...

I want to build a 1/24 Martlet!!!! those kits are fairly detailed... no idea bout the fit though... anyone build one of the 1/24 Hobby Crafts? or what do yall think about Hobby Craft in General???

The roundels I can get from the Spit AM decals I saw on Squadron, the codes I can either make or find generic for 1/24.. (I think I saw them)

Anyway... it was a religious moment almost... I have a mission!!!

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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tho9900

Member since
July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:26 PM

well I am a newly converted fan... thanks to you and Darren talking about them... just ordered the radiator and dust filter for my desert Typhoon's intake, as well as tires for both it and the Martlet for the N. Africa build, as well as a seat for the Martlet as well.. they had some really nice diamond tread tires for the martlet but they were special order... well as it is a bit off maybe I will go back and order them with the Vallejo paints from Greatmodels...

oh yeah I posted it in the painting section but Color or Eagles paints are available on Greatmodels.com now... they are made for them by Vallejo. They specialize in WWII colors for aircraft... they are also a tad bit toned down to diminish the scale effect of smaller craft... (I did the Martlet here in them and LOOOOOVE them!!)

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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rjkplasticmod

Member since
February 2003
From: A Spartan in the Wolverine State

Posted by rjkplasticmod on Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:18 PM

Thanks Tom. As you may have guessed, I'm a fan of Ultracast. I much prefer painting to wrestling with PE. Most of the later Hasegawa kits have pretty nice cockpit detail and with careful painting can look good. I build a lot of models & can't afford to put a lot of AM stuff in every one.

Regards, Rick

RICK

At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...

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tho9900

Member since
July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, February 17, 2005 6:55 PM

looking good Rick! same cockpit cage as the Typhoon! Seats are a tad different though... I just started my seats on the Typhoon tonight and am already overjoyed at buying the Ultracast seat. It is tons better than PE I think... not so 2D looking...

hmmm... actually a bit more excited about building... I've been in a modeling slump all week and I am thinking Sat will be a good day. I can see the Has cockpits don't look that bad at all!!! (especially with the Ultracast)

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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rjkplasticmod

Member since
February 2003
From: A Spartan in the Wolverine State

Posted by rjkplasticmod on Thursday, February 17, 2005 6:33 PM

Thanks Sean.

Regards, Rick

RICK

At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...

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tweety1

Member since
August 2003
From: Alice Springs Australia

Posted by tweety1 on Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:28 PM

Nice instrument panel Rick, very impressive!
Those Ultrcast seats really look the goods in the hands of someone with experience.

--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???

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rjkplasticmod

Member since
February 2003
From: A Spartan in the Wolverine State

Posted by rjkplasticmod on Thursday, February 17, 2005 3:01 PM

Here's a couple of progress pics on my second build. This one is the 1/48 Hasegawa Hurricane Mk. I. The pit is OOB except for the seat & armorplate which are Ultracast resin replacements.

Regards, Rick

RICK

At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...

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KINGTHAD

Member since
May 2004
From: Dallas

Posted by KINGTHAD on Thursday, February 17, 2005 2:43 PM

Dave, it is the same kit as everyone else's, mine is just being a pain in the neck, but it is keeping me sharp. I use the (MM) top coat Rick spoke about, I also have the Polly S, I like them both. They both come in a bottle.

Thad

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razordws

Member since
September 2004
From: Vernon, BC, Canada

Posted by razordws on Thursday, February 17, 2005 2:18 PM

Thanks for the recommendation Rick, is that a spray can or bottle? I know one of the LHS' here carries Polly Scale so I'll check it out.

Edit: BTW, little one is sick today so while looking after him I counted all my models. I'm up to 67 I believe. Shock [:O]

Didn't think I had that many!! Only 333 to go to catch up to you! Big Smile [:D]

Dave

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rjkplasticmod

Member since
February 2003
From: A Spartan in the Wolverine State

Posted by rjkplasticmod on Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:12 PM

For a flat top coat, I've been using Polly Scale clear flat acrylic with good results. ModelMaster makes a similar product, but I prefer the Polly Scale.

Regards, Rick

RICK

At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...

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razordws

Member since
September 2004
From: Vernon, BC, Canada

Posted by razordws on Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:58 PM

Alright!!! Another He 111. Didn't know that was what you were working on Thad. You can never have too many 111's. Looks great so far. I take it you have the primer coat on already? Is it the Monogram 1/48 kit like Bob's?

Anyway, got most of the decals on mine last night except for the ones I'm trying to make myself. I've practised with a couple of experiments and think I have it down. Just takes time to let the ink dry. I'm trying to do a He 111 H-6 from I/KG 26 based out of Norway. Going away this weekend though so no pics until after that.

Question: what do you all recommend for a flat top coat? I haven't been too happy with what I've been using so I was going to try Tamiya flat base mixed with future next. What kind of mixture should I use?

Dave

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rjkplasticmod

Member since
February 2003
From: A Spartan in the Wolverine State

Posted by rjkplasticmod on Thursday, February 17, 2005 9:47 AM

Looks like good progress Thad. Keep on wrestling it to the finish line Smile [:)]

.

Regards, Rick

RICK

At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...

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jboutin

Member since
December 2004
From: 288921 E, 5659868 N UTMz12, NAD83

Posted by jboutin on Thursday, February 17, 2005 9:32 AM

Karl, why cut the ailerons out of the upper wing halves, why not the bottom too. are you going ot reposition them? I just cut the edges in to give them a "separate from the rest of the wing" look.

JAY - fighting evil since 2:15pm, July 8,1976 -

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KINGTHAD

Member since
May 2004
From: Dallas

Posted by KINGTHAD on Thursday, February 17, 2005 9:27 AM

This is as far as I have gotton on my build so far. This kit is fighting me every step of the way Black Eye [B)]

but im not going to let her beat me. Nothing fits right and I think I have use a tube of filler on her, well any way here she is. Tongue [:P]

Thad

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tweety1

Member since
August 2003
From: Alice Springs Australia

Posted by tweety1 on Thursday, February 17, 2005 8:29 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by tho9900

Tweets - like you said... I'm not sure that Kiwi would take kindly to you spraying him with lime juice...

hmmm... maybe I need to come up with a future and thinner drink recipe book...

Well Tom, the lil' Kiwis you can run away from, it's the big buggers you gotta watch out for Black Eye [B)]

They tend to lean towards 'cranky' when any sort of citrus is poised in their general direction Wink [;)]

Jules, I'm hanging to see some pics, heard alot of yak bout this Stuka, need some hard stuff now Smile [:)]

--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???

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KJ200

Member since
July 2003
From: Bicester, England

Posted by KJ200 on Thursday, February 17, 2005 8:21 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by pingtang

QUOTE: I had a play with the new Gunze buffable metallics the other day on the Ultrcast wheel bay insert. The finish is really fine with an even surface that looks just like sheet alloy.

They're good aren't they. I've been using them for a while and use them alot. They even come out well after brushing them on (that's the best bit, because I get too lazy to clean my AB.)

PingtangI didn't think you could brush paint them?

MDC, who sell Gunze in the UK reckon they are AB only, without a need to thin. Must admit mine sprayed beautifully straight out of the bottle.

I put the cockpit together last night, so I'm hoping to get the fuselage together over the weekend, and probably the wings on. Just need to cut the ailerons out of the upper wing halves.

Karl

Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 17, 2005 6:25 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1

Jules, scribing putty isnt a problem.
Did ALOT of it on the Sabre.
Just have to remember to go lightly with the pressure, otherwise it tends to 'chunk' out of the line, leaving a ragged crusty looking edge.

Ahh thanks Tweets Wink [;)]

i've never used a scribe before but now i'm gonna have to, i guess i've gotten to used to these Tamiya Hasegawa kits eh Thumbs Up [tup]

I'll post up a pic of the stuka tommorow so yous can see the amount of filler i had to use...

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tho9900

Member since
July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, February 17, 2005 6:18 AM

Tweets - like you said... I'm not sure that Kiwi would take kindly to you spraying him with lime juice... Wink [;)]

hmmm... maybe I need to come up with a future and thinner drink recipe book...

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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tweety1

Member since
August 2003
From: Alice Springs Australia

Posted by tweety1 on Thursday, February 17, 2005 2:34 AM

Jules, scribing putty isnt a problem.
Did ALOT of it on the Sabre.
Just have to remember to go lightly with the pressure, otherwise it tends to 'chunk' out of the line, leaving a ragged crusty looking edge.

Darren I use the Viponds Iso, it comes in a 1 litre container.

The one next to it is the only retarder I could find that worked with acrylic paints through my airbrush.
Took 4 months, and around $180 worth of retarders being bought and ditched, but finally found a winner!!!!
And yes, I tried the Irish whiskey, but couldn't stop spraying it into my mouth!!!
Maybe I should try mixing it with some Kiwi and Lime, whatcha reckon Tom Wink [;)]

--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???

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