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AIRCRAFT - Battle of Britain Group Build (Jan 1st 2005 - May 31st 2005)

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Posted by tho9900 on Friday, April 29, 2005 6:57 AM
Osher --- hmmm I am involved in quite a few builds right now but I think I might do a marathon on the Bf110 because it would be interesting to see them side by side...

Darren -- haven't really started researching the AM yet but will send you a list of what I find... the kit looks to go together at least as good as a Hasegawa kit... just not a lot of detail...
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Posted by osher on Friday, April 29, 2005 12:31 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by tho9900

Osher --- hmmm I am involved in quite a few builds right now but I think I might do a marathon on the Bf110 because it would be interesting to see them side by side...


Well, that would be really cool!
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Posted by jboutin on Friday, April 29, 2005 2:00 PM
Osher, I think I just had some crappy decals. I think the upper wings are acceptable, the fuselage I'lll have to do some touch up with paint and the underwing roundels, well I should have just left them becasue they look even worse now.
I really don't know how I'm going to fix those ones, unless someone has underwing roundels they won't be using?

I'll try to take some pics and post them. It really isn't pretty.
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Friday, April 29, 2005 3:29 PM
Jay, Go ahead & post the pics. I may have some underwing roundels that would work.

Regards, Rick
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Posted by tho9900 on Friday, April 29, 2005 4:24 PM
if Rick doesnt have them I might have them, depending on style and size...
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Posted by taxtp on Friday, April 29, 2005 5:04 PM
Here is where my Tamiya 1/48 Spitfire 1a is at. As you can see, it's well advanced. Next is the Dk Earth, using cut up photo copies of the kit instructions camo pattern as masks.
Cheers
Tony Mollica

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Posted by taxtp on Friday, April 29, 2005 5:19 PM
and here is the 1/48 Tamiya 109E-4. You may see how I've broken the tail strut. I always seem to do this on 109s, and it really bugs me.
I don't think the fit of this kit is as good as other Tamiya kits I've done, and I think I may have too much dihedral in the wings.
I was going to finish this in Rumanian colours, but since a BoB machine qualifies it for the group build, I'll go with Helmut Wick's machine,as per th box art/ Apparently this was applied with a sponge on the real aircraft, I've got no idea how to replicate it in 1/48, so I might have to experiment with a sponge too.
Cheers
Tony Mollica

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Posted by tho9900 on Friday, April 29, 2005 7:29 PM
Tony - maybe using a Qtip (cotton bud, I think I heard Sean refer to it as?) anyway... almost like drybrushing... with a toothpick or something get the end of the qtip a little frazzled and basically drybrush the spots on... besides airbrushing which might not give the same effect I wouldnt know how to do it otherwise... I am sure there is someone with a better andswer though!!
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Posted by osher on Friday, April 29, 2005 8:08 PM
Another Tamiya Spitfire Mk.1/1a 1/48 scale? It will be interesting to compare them all. Mine is facing the dilema of losing it's bulkhead! I hope I can find it again...

The bf-110 is now almost at paint prep stage. Pedals, levels, and something that looks like an ear (!), have all been added. The control stick is in, and the inside has been matted. The fuselage has been closed up, and attached to the mainplane. Finally it looks like an aircraft! Here are some pictures:



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Posted by tho9900 on Friday, April 29, 2005 8:14 PM
Osher - good progress!!! I see you did a good job on the IP and cockpit with that PE! I was impressed how well they molded even the fabris surfaces on the 1/72 sized 110. I'll have to take a second look at mine and see what it looks like in 1/48, I don't remember the elavators and such looking as good...
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Friday, April 29, 2005 8:38 PM
Tony, Both builds look like they are progressing nicely.

Osher, The 110 is looking great.

Regards, Rick
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Posted by pingtang on Saturday, April 30, 2005 1:50 AM
Tony Your builds are very nice. I've recently worked on both of those kits, they are very good kits aren't they? Looking forward to seeing how yours turn out.

Osher Good looking progress on the 110 mate.
-Daniel
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 30, 2005 2:24 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by KJ200

Finally some pics.........

The starboard side showing 'Figaro' Ian Gleed's personal logo.



From the back, showing the drooped elevators.



The underside, showing the poor job I made of the rear wing to fuselage joint.



Will probably try and get the canopy sorted tonight.

Karl

Karl she's looking real good buddyThumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Good to see you have the decal problem worked out..............

[b]Osher & Tony[b] your builds are progressing nicely fellasThumbs Up [tup] Looking forward to seeing the finished buildsBig Smile [:D]
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Posted by taxtp on Saturday, April 30, 2005 3:22 AM
Tom - thanks for the tip ! I hadn't thought of trying a cotton bud, all experiment with that too.
Karl - I like your Hurricane, When I saw the squadron code LK-A, it somehow reminded me that the original Matchbox 1/72 release also depicted this aircraft ( I think). Yours is a hell of a lot better than that one !
Osher - I've cannibalised a Tamiya Spitfire Vb for parts, if you need a bulkhead, and this one will do, let me know. Before you ask, I also lost some parts from a Spitfire I was doing. I was looking htrough my decal collection the other night, thinking also about doing a few Me 110s. THe glassgouse puts me off a bit though...yuk, all that masking. What are the 1/72 options and how good are they ? I've always wanted to do a Hornisse.
Cheers
Tony Mollica

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Posted by osher on Saturday, April 30, 2005 5:49 AM
Hi Tony. If you want a 1/72 bf-110 there is the Airfix offering, which basically has a hole where the cockpit is. I can't remember what the details are like, but It's probably Airfix like! It's also Out Of Production (OOP), but can be found with some looking. I believe it's also BoB era. The only other 1/72 BoB era 110 is the OOP Fujimi offering. It's not bad, but it really needs the Airwaves detailing set.

With later bf-110G series there is more choice (the 'antler' one). The Italieri one is really good, except the panel lines are raised. Why, oh why, oh why, do Italeri, even sometimes with recent aircraft, persist in this?! However, if you can live with this flaw, or want to rescribe (I think probably not too difficult with this aircraft), then it's not bad at all. There is also a High Planes kit. Never seen it, but knowing High Planes reputation, possibly not as good as the cheaper Italeri.

For the bf-210A there would seem to be offering from Bilek, Revell, and Italeri. As Bilek produce moulds for these Revell and Italeri, and, at least in part, are paid by producing their own kits from the moulds, I would guess that all 3 are offering the same kit. Maybe the Bilek bf-210B is an update?

For the Hornisse (the bf-410), there is only Eduard, who supply it in 3 different flavours. As their offering is based on the Fine Molds offering, as Eduard have a fine reputation, and even by Eduard standards the price is high, I'm guessing it's a fine kit.

BTW, thanks very much for your offer of the Spitfire part. I might need it too! Do you by chance also have a spare rear canopy? My Tamiya one is broken, and my vac-form replacement doesn't fit well? If so, I'd really appreciate that too. Is there anything you'd like from England?
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Posted by osher on Saturday, April 30, 2005 6:05 AM
On a different note...it's interesting to look at the first page, and the build list, now we just have 1 month to go. OK, some have dropped out, and some have changed (mine needs to be changed from a bf-109 to a Spitfire). Still, I'd say around half have already been built and displayed, and even now with just a month to go, new builds are occuring.

Interesting too the choices, and I wonder, to what degree the choices we made were dictated by choice/availablity/easy of build/price of kits. For example, I was going to do a M.26 Miles Master Fighter, and even bought the kit, but the challange of conversion from Master to Master Fighter was beyond my capabilities at the time.

So, assuming there was a great kit and whatever, I wonder what aircraft would have been built?

OK, just musing on a Saturday morning!

Edited to correct a code problem
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Posted by tho9900 on Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:20 AM
Osher - true... so true.. I started out wanting to do a Fairey Fulmar but after recieving a plastic bag with 1 sprue and non-fitting wings I decided against it... it wold have been nice to build a Fulmar but...
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Saturday, April 30, 2005 2:03 PM
Osher, the 1/72 Me-410 is based on the Fine Molds tooling. I haven't built it, but reviewers pointed out that the fuselage cut outs for right & left hand tailplanes were at different heights, making for a step when viewed from head on or rear on. Correctable, but not an easy fix. Italeri also has a 1/72 Me-410 which looks good in the box, but I haven't built it.

Regards, Rick
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Posted by KJ200 on Saturday, April 30, 2005 3:49 PM
Jay Glad you like it. Hope you get your decals sorted.

Tony I think I built that matchbos kit many years back!

Osher Nice progress on the 110.

Not a lot of prgress today, but the canopy is fully masked ready for paint tomorrow and the exhausts are now on.

Karl

Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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Posted by taxtp on Saturday, April 30, 2005 4:11 PM
Hi Osher,
Email me offline at t_mollica@hotmail.com with your address and the part numbers you need and if I've got them, I'll send them immediately b airmail.
Thanks for the info on the 110, I've got an old Superscale sheet, but it doesn't show the version of the various aircraft, so I'll have to scout for photos when I do it.
Cheers
Tony Mollica

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Posted by osher on Saturday, April 30, 2005 6:21 PM
Thanks Tony! I'll do that! Very kind of you. I'll drop an email tomorrow (need to find the instructions, and thence the part numbers).

Darn! I couldn't understand the problems I was having with the fuselage of the bf-110, but I've just realised that the two halves are warped. I've sort of got them to fit, but more than a little CA overflow (the joined opened, but trying to get CA in the crack was very difficult. Just don't look head on, else it's apparent it's a bent bird, with the rear wings quite out of true. Oh well, at least progress continues, as such. Just need to fill/sand it, put the canopy on, then paint.
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Posted by darson on Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:09 PM
Hang on a minute, I thought this build was 'fading away', what's with all the posts? I turn my back for five minutes and there's another page of posts to read Big Smile [:D]

Well it's arrived finally, on Friday I received in the mail my copy of Warbird Modeling - The Battle of Britain from FSM and it's really good. The only infitesimally small problem is that I ordered this mag in November last year thinking it would be a great reference for people during the build Grumpy [|(]. Oh well there's always the next BoB GB.

Tony, try using a piece of sea sponge which you should be able to pick up at the art store opposite the pet shop at Eastland. Either that or try a piece of kitchen scouring pad.
Also do you know the guys at Models & Hobbies 4 U in Nunawading, because your name is sure ringing a bell with be from somewhere.

Osher 10,000 apologies Big Smile [:D] for not having updated page one. You are now up to date along with Tony.

Cheers
Darren
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Posted by madmike on Sunday, May 1, 2005 12:20 AM
I am going through a serious slump at the moment and cannot bring myself to doing any airbrushing. The Spitfire is ready for the airbrush but I am not..... Sad [:(]

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei
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Posted by osher on Sunday, May 1, 2005 4:30 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by madmike

I am going through a serious slump at the moment and cannot bring myself to doing any airbrushing. The Spitfire is ready for the airbrush but I am not..... Sad [:(]cheers Mike


Ah, it happens to us all. I took a 2 month break from modeling earlier this year. It sort of comes and goes. Don't worry about it, and I'm sure the desire will return! Just don't think you have to model, else you might do it, but not with joy, which, after all, is the purpose of modeling.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 1, 2005 6:15 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by madmike

I am going through a serious slump at the moment and cannot bring myself to doing any airbrushing. The Spitfire is ready for the airbrush but I am not..... Sad [:(]

cheers

Mike



Yeah Mike we all get that from time to time, i've only just come out of a slump and i seem to have come out of it with avengeance, Big Smile [:D]about 10 hours modelling in the last 3 daysBig Smile [:D]but don't be concerned you'll find the drive to model soon enoughThumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by osher on Sunday, May 1, 2005 7:24 AM
Hi Darren! No problem mate, and thanks too for running this GB!
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Sunday, May 1, 2005 10:06 AM
Mike, you'll shake it off in a day or two. Just don't force it or you'll probably screw up.

Regards, Rick
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Posted by tho9900 on Sunday, May 1, 2005 10:42 AM
Rick - where were you when I hit my slump last summer??? I could have used that advice then... Wink [;)]

I've learned to put it all aside when I start feeling it's a chore... even clean up my model desk and put the kit in the closet... usually in a few days to a week or two my mind starts drifiting back to the kit.. and eventually I get it out and hit a 3 or 4 day spurt of heavy modeling then back to normal... (Thats how the first MArtlet got finished in 2 weeks)
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Posted by darson on Sunday, May 1, 2005 8:12 PM
Mike don't sweat it. I think every modeler goes through patches like that. I have just come off a frenzy period where I was working on five kits at once [:0]. I have now calmed down a tad and I'm in a quiet patch and I'm just pottering away with two builds.

Osher you are most welcome, moderating this build has been great fun.

Cheers
Darren
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 1, 2005 8:18 PM
A heap of fun and some hard work eh Darren I reckon this GB could get past the 3000 post markThumbs Up [tup]
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