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AIRCRAFT - Battle of Britain Group Build (Jan 1st 2005 - May 31st 2005)

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Thursday, May 5, 2005 6:41 PM
Jay, glad to hear the decals arrived safely. Hope they work better than the last batch.

Regards, Rick
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Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, May 5, 2005 7:40 PM
Good luck Jay!!! You've gone the distance with this model, time to show it who is boss! Wink [;)]
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Posted by KJ200 on Friday, May 6, 2005 1:52 AM
Tweety I read a while back about Futuring after masking to prevent bleed through of the top colours.

Not sure I'll be doing that in future, no pun intended.........honestWink [;)]

Karl

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 6, 2005 4:11 AM
Well tonight i'll mask the 109 so it's ready for the first of the upper colours tommorow, thata after i get the kids to bed, the missus is out so it's just me the kids and "Kremps" but she will be busy honing her billiard ball breaking skills, so after the little ones are in bed i should have a good couple of hours to mask it all upThumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by tweety1 on Friday, May 6, 2005 5:39 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by KJ200

Tweety I read a while back about Futuring after masking to prevent bleed through of the top colours.

Not sure I'll be doing that in future, no pun intended.........honestWink [;)]

Karl


Ahhhhhhhh.
Yeah, ok, with masking tapes etc you can get bleed through.

Thats why I use foil, no bleed through, and I have never had a cleaner canopy line.

Yuck [yuck] to tape!!!!

My 2 cents [2c]
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Posted by KJ200 on Friday, May 6, 2005 7:22 AM
Tweety Might have to give BMF a try.

I even partly unpicked the masking on the cockpit of my MS406 for the NAGB to check for similar marks, but no sign??????

Karl

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 6, 2005 7:58 AM
Karl Tweets put me onto the BMF canopy masking thing a while back and IMHO it's the best way to go without resorting to express masks and it takes no where near as much time as using tapeThumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by tho9900 on Friday, May 6, 2005 7:58 PM
Agreed - I started trying it on my ju87 with the impossibly shallow indentions for the braces and on the larger areas was able to get it to work flawlessly despite the limitations.. I may have to post a pic so you can see what little I had to work with...

the next Zero or He111 canopy I come up against I will just sneer and break out the BMF...
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 6, 2005 8:59 PM
Tom I have the old tamiya 1/48 zero and i have already started masking the canopy, the raised canopy framing on that kit is perfect for BMF maskingThumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by tho9900 on Friday, May 6, 2005 9:27 PM
cool, good to know Jules.,.. tomorrow is the day... I will finish one of the three tomorrow maybe two... but the Zero is closest to finished (with only about 3 or 4 hours into it) The P-47 I have about 10 hrs into and about 10 hrs to go so I might just give that one another coat of Alclad and concentrate on what is finishable...

The Ju87 might be finished if I can use the Tamiya tape like Rick mentioned.... otherwise I might switch to the Martlet for stress relief!!! I bac ked myself into a corner again with multiple builds progressing at once.. (last night my wife came in and threw a load of laundry on top of my couch in the modelling room.. talk about take my breath away!!! There were 3 models 1/2 finished under paper towels to protect from dust, sitting on that couch!!! I nearly died till I verified their safety!)
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 6, 2005 9:37 PM
concentrate on one kit Tom and you will find it's a huge releif to just get one out of the wayThumbs Up [tup]
BTW your lucky your kits weren't messed up, I've had a coupleof damaged kits thanks to the WifeThumbs Up [tup]

[b]Progress Report::::::::::::::::::::Heaps happening on this little Emil Upper colours tonight then future, should be finished in a week..............
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Posted by darson on Saturday, May 7, 2005 4:05 AM
Tom I know how you feel doing multiple builds at once, as of last week I had five on the go at once. I've now put cut that back to one at a time because Jules is spot on in saying I wasn't seeing any progress in anything despite all the time I was spending on them.

BTW, I picked up a handy little accessory from Tamiya at Great Models the other day, a 1/48 fuel drum, jerry can and gear set. It is mainly designed for their 1/48 armor range but a couple of fuel drums should look good in the little NA dio I want to do.

Cheers
Darren
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Posted by tho9900 on Saturday, May 7, 2005 1:33 PM
Darren - cool! I thought about doing a dio with my Quad tractor and artillery piece.
Maybe I will go get that set soon, I think I saw it at the LHS.
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Posted by tweety1 on Saturday, May 7, 2005 6:11 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by KJ200

Tweety Might have to give BMF a try.

I even partly unpicked the masking on the cockpit of my MS406 for the NAGB to check for similar marks, but no sign??????

Karl


I think you'll be surprised about how clean the result is after using BMF Karl.

It takes a little practice to handle, seeing as it is a bunch thinner than tape, but after that you'll be masking the most complex curves etc with foil, places where tape simply refuses to function.

I usually have 3 or 4 coats of paint and then Future on my kits, and the foil comes up dead easy, and leaves a crisp line like you wouldn't beleive.
You can lay it on in strips, or as a complete panel.
And 1 sheet of foil lasts a LONG time.

I've completed 8 kits, and have used 1/3 of a sheet of foil, I just love the stuff.!!!!!!!!Big Smile [:D]Kisses [:X]
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Posted by tho9900 on Saturday, May 7, 2005 7:49 PM
I used 1/3 sheet of fail just trying to get the stuff to lay down in the lines of the canopy of this Ju87... I might finishs it except for the canopy and order the canopy mask set for it and do it later... still time in the NA GB for that...

but I can see it is a charm and for a typical canopy it would be a godsend!!! even those difficult pacific AC from the US and Japan... (and their 100 braces in the canopy)
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Posted by tweety1 on Saturday, May 7, 2005 10:53 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by tho9900

I used 1/3 sheet of fail just trying to get the stuff to lay down in the lines of the canopy of this Ju87... I might finishs it except for the canopy and order the canopy mask set for it and do it later... still time in the NA GB for that...

but I can see it is a charm and for a typical canopy it would be a godsend!!! even those difficult pacific AC from the US and Japan... (and their 100 braces in the canopy)


Hmmmm, I'd be looking at the operator first.................................
Wink [;)]Clown [:o)]Tongue [:P]
--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???
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Posted by KJ200 on Sunday, May 8, 2005 7:46 AM
The BMF is sounding better and better, as looking at the Hurricane the canopy is definitely the weakest link as it stands.

I'm not sure I'd even comtemplate a Stuka canopy without AM masks, there is just too much to do!!

I polished up the fixed portion of the Hurri canopy and re-masked with tape. No Future sealing coat this time, and it came out fine!!!! The sliding portion is now on order from Hannants, so I should see it in around 3-4 weeks based upon their last performance!!!

The cock ups continue though, as after applying several coats of Gunze matt varnish yesterday, I noticed a number of little shiny spots marring the other wise perfectly flat finish???????

Oh well, gave the affected areas a wash with some dilute washing up liquid, and left to dry overnight. Attacked it again this morning with the matt varnish only in those areas with shiny bits. Result:

Bigger shiny bits!!!Banged Head [banghead]

To cut a long story short, I'd left too much Needle Lube on last night after cleaning the AB, and it had contaminated the paint. I'm now letting everything harden off for a few days, before giving it another go.

C'est la vie!

Apart from that and the canopy the build is almost complete, and actually not looking too bad.

Karl

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Posted by taxtp on Sunday, May 8, 2005 8:20 AM
I've just tried a BMF mask on my 109, following the posts here. It certainly is a lot quicker and easier to put on, but I can't comment on the result yet as the paint is still wet.
Joining this GB (my first) has certainly helped me to push it along, the 109 has it's yellow nose and rudder (now masked) and a wet coat of RLM 02 on the uppersurface.
The Tamiya instructions recommend a 1:1 mix of XF-22 RLM Grey and XF-49 Khaki to achieve RLM 02 (RLM Grau). I decided to make use of the Eagle Editions Official Luftwaffe Color Chart that I got hold of about a year ago. It shows the Tamiya Mix to be a bit too dark, and too brown. I was more satisfied with
XF49 :3 parts
XF22 : 5 parts
XF2 : 2 parts
however I think it would be easier with a little less khaki (XF49) in it next time. Hope this useless information gets used by somebody.
I think I may have mentioned that I was doing Pips Priller's machine. My mistake, I should have said Helmut Wick's 109E-4.
My Spitfire 1a is getting decalled, after a coat or three of Johnson's Super Shine. At this point I will just say that Tamiya decals are the worst part of their product, and I will strenusously avoid using them in future if I can. They are just too thick, and seem to 'silver' very easily.
BTW, this model will be finished in the markings of Gordon Olive, an Australian who served throughout the BoB and survived the war to later hold a seat in Queensland Parliament. The codes come from A PD Decals sheet
Cheers for now,
Tony Mollica

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Sunday, May 8, 2005 10:36 AM
Karl, Tony, Sounds like good progress is being made. Looking forward to the finished builds.

Regards, Rick
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Posted by taxtp on Sunday, May 8, 2005 10:14 PM
Is there any easy way to find the completed and displayed models for this GB ? Thanks.
Cheers
Tony Mollica

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 8, 2005 10:49 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by taxtp

Is there any easy way to find the completed and displayed models for this GB ? Thanks.
Cheers
Tony Mollica


Tony This is something that i've been giving a bit of thought to regarding the N A GB...
Now i know that most of the members post up the pics in the GB thread and in the respective forum like the Aircraft / Armour forum but what i was thinking of doing is to take one pic from each GB members build and at the end of the GB posting them all up in the General Modeling Discussion forum just to show the other forum members what went on in the GB....

Progress Report::::::::::::::All the uppersurface colours are on the Emil now i just have to do the mottling on the fueselage before i can Future it ready for decals...
This will be my first attemp at fueselage mottling so i hope i don't stuff it up considering how well the other colours went onBlack Eye [B)]
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Posted by taxtp on Monday, May 9, 2005 7:48 AM
I'm a bit of a Wildcat groupie, so I'd particularly like to see tho9900's finished Martlet, amongst others. Can anyone indicate which page the image might be on ?

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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Posted by tweety1 on Monday, May 9, 2005 7:57 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by j.s.harrison
Progress Report::::::::::::::All the uppersurface colours are on the Emil now i just have to do the mottling on the fueselage before i can Future it ready for decals...
This will be my first attemp at fueselage mottling so i hope i don't stuff it up considering how well the other colours went onBlack Eye [B)]


Something I ALWAYS do before applying the mottling is Future the model.
This way I can wipe away the cruddy mottle and leave my camo intact.

May be a little unorthodox, but after getting the base camo right, I hate the thought of stuffing the whole thing up with a dodgy mottle spot or two.

My 2 cents [2c]
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Posted by pingtang on Monday, May 9, 2005 8:04 AM
It's on page 76 mate. I got lucky having a look for that one, I typed in page 79 and went back from there.

Jules That's a good idea mate. There are too many nice builds that get buried in these GB threads. Maybe when it's all over, we can have a finished builds thread.

everyone else Hurry up and get your builds done. I can't wait to see how nice they all turn out. Smile [:)]
-Daniel
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Posted by tho9900 on Monday, May 9, 2005 9:11 AM
Ditto on what Daniel said!!

Tony - it's here: http://www.finescale.com/fsm/community/forum/topic.asp?page=76&TOPIC_ID=28171

wierd thing is on one of the pics there is some noise that isn't in the original pic, nor do I remember it from way back when I posted it............ Kremps! she always liked Sean and Jules better!! She did it!
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Posted by osher on Monday, May 9, 2005 1:48 PM
Progress report: the bf-110 has now been filled and sanded down. Just need to paint and add the machine and radio, then the canopy can be added. Maybe today, but probably just add the bits, and then canopy tomorrow.
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Posted by tho9900 on Monday, May 9, 2005 2:26 PM
good to hear osher! looking forward to pics of it! I will try to start finishing mine this afternoon. I have like 5 models out and am concentrating on finishing just one right now... if I finish the Stuka today I will think about the 110!
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Posted by jboutin on Monday, May 9, 2005 2:28 PM
There, all the decals are on and now I have to weather, Rick, I think it just might be the Hasegawa decals as these went on with wrinkles too! and I used very little micro set/micro sol. If I go hard this week, I might be able to finish for a local Modelling show/contest this weekend. Tongue [:P]
http://www.rockymountainmodelclub.com/upcomingcontest.htm
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Posted by osher on Monday, May 9, 2005 5:10 PM
Grrrr, just sprayed the underside of the bf-110 using some 'hi-grade' 65 enamel paint. Something went wrong. At first it was fine, then it all went came out inconsistently: sometimes too thin, sometimes great thick gasps. The air pressure was around 15, and the paint was quite thin. Hmmmm, I thought I'd fixed my airbrush problems. As most of it is OK, as an undercoat anyway, I can sand bits, and retry.

On that note, I'm going to sigh and sign off. Things always look better the next day! I think this weekend will be a weekend of experimentation with airbrush.

On reflection, I wonder if it was the paint? It looked OK, but who knows?
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Posted by tho9900 on Monday, May 9, 2005 5:29 PM
Osher - what kind of airbrush do you have? sometimes if the pressure is a tad too low to support atomization consistently it will cause that... If it is a gravity fed 15 psi should be more than sufficient though.

I've noticed that when I begin spraying I have to occasionally check my PSI as it will fall as I spray, after a few adjustments it seems to stay right where I want it though.

Good luck all the same... hope you have better luck over the weekend!!!
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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