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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 17, 2005 6:31 AM
Dan!! We meet again!! I'll be in on that. I don't think the B-1 is part of the stealth programme. Sad [:(] However, I think an SR-71 would go well!
Cheers,
John
P.S. Will we be having an 'official' group build badge, or just make our own again?
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 17, 2005 6:55 AM
Good to see you again John!

How about this badge??


You can make your own if you like, I'm not the best at making good badges.
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Posted by Model Grandpa on Thursday, February 17, 2005 9:18 AM
It would be a top secret if I participated in this GB. I really like the idea but I have so many other GB commitments right now. Please post lots of pictures. So many group builds so little time.
Regards, Dan Building Scale Models At The Speed Of Dark
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 17, 2005 8:45 PM
Nah Dan, i love the badge!! Let's do it!
Cheers,
John
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 18, 2005 4:30 AM
Excellent,

Should be great fun! Are you building the Blackbird then John?

I'll be building the 1/72 F117A 'Nighthawk' from Tamiya. Dan are you sure we can't persuade yo uto join in?? We'll have plenty of time!
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Posted by cossack on Friday, February 18, 2005 6:35 AM
Mmmm ... SR-71 completed, F117A completed, apart from some decals .... So I guess you are now giving me an excuse to crack open the U-2 in 1/48 on my shelf!! [:S]. So count me in ... if I can get all my ducks lined up Wink [;)].

Also, am happy to share photos of the SR and F117 if anyone is interested ... purely amateur efforts you understand - but they do look good in 1/48 - take up the top of my bookshelf!!

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 18, 2005 7:54 AM
Welcome aboard cossack. We would love to see pics of your work and don't worry I'm only one my 2nd model kit so I'm still an amatuer too. But all modellers are welcome be it advanced, amatuer or otherwise. The 1/48 SR-71 must be pretty big. Do you have any pics of those two birds??

Look forward to seeing the 'U2'.

Dan
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Posted by Gilmund on Friday, February 18, 2005 5:36 PM
This sounds like fun, can I join in. I was planing to build my I/72 Italer F-117 after my current project, so for me this is great timing!Smile [:)]

Best /Johan
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 18, 2005 6:40 PM
Come on in Johan, the more the merrier! If you want to use our offical badge just add this image link to your signature.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/dan1677/Stealthbadge.jpg[

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Posted by AH1Wsnake on Saturday, February 19, 2005 12:55 AM
Boy, it figures that I start my F-22 too late for the previous stealth group build, and am too far into it to join this one! Oh well, maybe when I finish, I'll post some pics to inspire you guys along!

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 19, 2005 4:36 AM
Hi Snake,

You can join in if you like as official 'morale officer'! I've heard that kit has some interesting 'fit' problems?

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Posted by Gilmund on Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:08 AM
Thanks for letting me in, this will be fun!

Best /Johan
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Posted by yardbird78 on Saturday, February 19, 2005 1:58 PM
I was part of the SR-71 program for 12 years, so this is MUST for me. 1/72 scale SR-71C, affectionately know as, "The Bastard".
Question: Is it proper etiquette to display a GB badge as soon as you join the GB or are you supposed to wait until the project is finished?
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Posted by overkillphil on Saturday, February 19, 2005 3:54 PM
Well, I'll throw in with my partially completed X-32 that was 'cancelled' for the last Stealth GB. I should have time to finish it now.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:24 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by yardbird78

Question: Is it proper etiquette to display a GB badge as soon as you join the GB or are you supposed to wait until the project is finished?
Darwin, O.F. Alien [alien]

I don't see a problem with displaying one's GB badge as soon as one starts/joins the GB. Many, many people in these forums do it and it's a mark to show, not what GBs one has finished (although they can and do keep their old GB badges), but to show which GBs they are participating in.
That's my My 2 cents [2c].
Cheers,
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 20, 2005 7:23 AM
Hi folks,

Personally I display my badges to show which GB's i'm in. But you can do whichever suits you.

Yarbird, you were part of the actual programme? Wow! Got any good pics?

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Posted by yardbird78 on Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:19 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Dan1677


Yarbird, you were part of the actual programme? Wow! Got any good pics?
Dan


Unfortunately, NO! I was assigned to the 9 SRW, 9 Recon Tech Squadron from June 1963 to May 1977. That was very near the beginning of the program and security was ultra tight. Taking unauthorized pictures was a court martial offense. Only the Public Affairs Office and certain designated individuals were authorized to take pictures of the SR-71. I have been truely amazed over the last few years when I look at the recently published books and see the photographs. Many of them were obviously taken during the early years, especially those with high visibility markings, and I seriously doubt that they were "authorized." If true, these folks were risking several years in Leavenworth stockade and a dishonorable discharge. It just wasn't worth it to me.
The photos below are of two of my SR-71 models, an "A" model on the left and a "B" model on the right. The A is a Monogram 1/72 and the B is a modified early Revell A model built in 1968. I just recently destroyed the B model when I got fumble fingered and dropped it on a concrete floor. Dead [xx(]Dead [xx(]


More photos of these two models are at:
bellevillercflyers.com/gallery/album65 and bellevillercflyers.com/gallery/album82

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Posted by AH1Wsnake on Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:24 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Dan1677

Hi Snake,

You can join in if you like as official 'morale officer'! I've heard that kit has some interesting 'fit' problems?

Dan


Fit problems like I've never dealt with. Granted, I am not a "master-modeler," but I've come back to modelling after a 5 year break in the military, too. I decided to build the plane "clean," with the bomb bays and missile bays closed up. Clearly, Italeri never meant for this to happen Disapprove [V]. The door parts only loosely fit into openings on the fuselage for the bays, and right now I am just in a holding pattern of filling gaps, sanding, filling, and sanding again. I put on a coat of white primer yesterday to see how the putty was working and it was bad. Thought I had it sanded all smooth, but the outline from the putty over the door seams is clearly visible. Back to the sanding table........Dead [xx(]
And I haven't even got to the notorious intakes I've heard about, lol.

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 20, 2005 11:57 PM
Got my kit!!
It's the Academy/MRC 1/72 SR-71A Blackbird!
This'll be fun!
Cheers,
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 21, 2005 4:54 AM
Yardbird, thanks for the info and pics of your models. I have to agree, I don't think I would have risked it just for a picture. Mind you, at the time I bet those birds had an almost mythical reputation. Does make you wonder though, if they were capable of building something that fast back then I wonder what could be built nowadays (with an unlimited budget!).

Snake, good luck with the filling, sanding, filling and sanding!! I really wanted to build that kit but I've heard too many bad things about it. Will wait to see if anyone else makes one in the future.

My F117 is turning up this week so I can start when I get back from my vacation next week. Happy building!!
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Posted by yardbird78 on Monday, February 21, 2005 9:34 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Dan1677

. Mind you, at the time I bet those birds had an almost mythical reputation. Does make you wonder though, if they were capable of building something that fast back then I wonder what could be built nowadays (with an unlimited budget!).


The USAF released just enough pictures and information during the early days of the program to really whet the appetite of airplane lovers. There were several magazine articles and books that published so called "facts" that were about 10% what had been released and 90% the figment of the writer's imagination. Most of those stories really were rediculous and outlandish. But yes, it did create quite a mystique around the plane.
The technology has existed for quite a number of years to build hypersonic (Mach 5 and above), aircraft. The cost to take it from paper to hardware would be astronomical. It would make our current federal deficit look like a surplus. The cost of operating such a machine would be equally expensive. It is also very impractical for everything except the longest of flights. New York to Los Angeles wouldn't even get up to speed before you had to start slowing down again. The sonic booms during climb out and decel would be devastating. That is why the Concorde was never allowed to fly supersonic over the US.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 4:13 AM
When you say the sonic booms would be devasting, what do you mean? Devastating to the airframe? I though they didn't create much actual movement inside the aircraft but rather lots of displacement around it. Hey I don't know about these things but still find them really interesting.

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Posted by overkillphil on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 3:23 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Dan1677

When you say the sonic booms would be devasting, what do you mean? Devastating to the airframe? I though they didn't create much actual movement inside the aircraft but rather lots of displacement around it. Hey I don't know about these things but still find them really interesting.

Dan

At high altitude they make alot of noise, scare wildlife and give environmentalists conniptions. At low altitude they break things, like windows.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 6:22 PM
Cool. Er , I mean that's terrible. :oP

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Posted by yardbird78 on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 7:19 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Dan1677

When you say the sonic booms would be devasting, what do you mean? Devastating to the airframe? I though they didn't create much actual movement inside the aircraft but rather lots of displacement around it. Hey I don't know about these things but still find them really interesting. Dan


The SR-71 doing Mach 3 at 80,000 feet made a sonic boom on the ground that sounded about like a small firecracker. When it was just barely supersonic at say 30,000 feet shortly after refueling, it made a sonic boom that could do considerable damage to buildings on the ground. Creating the atmospheric disturbance or pressure wave that makes the noise on the ground does no damage what so ever to the airplane. SR-71 missions were planned from and return to Beale AFB, California, so that they passed over mostly uninhabited or sparsely inhabited areas of the western portion of the US. That is one reason they very rarely ventured east of the Mississippi river. A typical mission would launch from Beale, refuel over the Sierra Nevada mountains, accelerate to Mach 3 over western Nevada, fly over Wyoming and Nebraska, turn south to Texas, decel and refuel, climb back to 80,000 feet and go over southern New Mexico and Arizona, cross southern California and the Edwards AFB resolution range and then back to Beale either over the Pacific ocean, coastal range mountains or the Sierra Nevadas. They probably startled a lot of coyotes and jack rabbits, much not much else.
There were 2 or 3 large chicken ranches on the north western portion of this route and the USAF had to pay some rather large reparations supposedly because the SR-71s sonic boom scared the chickens and caused them to cease laying eggs. We had to change the routes a little bit to miss those particular areas.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 10:30 PM
Wow!! [wow] It's great to know that I'll be building a model of a history making aircraft.
I opened the box a few days ago to find, to my astonishment and amzement (and delight), that the upper and lower hulls are moulded in single pieces without loss of detail!
Cheerio,
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 3:59 AM
That's amazing stuff yardbird. It's good to have someone in on the build with so much info about the subject, gives a lot of inspiration. Those poor chickens! It's incredible to think that at 30'000 ft it can still creat enough displacement to actually cause damage. Imagine the damage at below 10'000 ft! I guess the Blackbird is no longer in active service due to costs and the end of the cold war?

John that sounds like a good kit, I will be building one of these in the not too distant future. Which SR71 kit did you buy?

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Posted by yardbird78 on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 11:19 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Dan1677

I guess the Blackbird is no longer in active service due to costs and the end of the cold war? Dan


The A-12, (Older sister to the SR-71), was retired in 1967 after about a year of operational service out of Kadena Air Base, Okinawa, Japan. This was PURELY political. The SR-71 was sent over to Kadena as a replacement and even used the same "T" hangar that was originally built for the A-12.
The SR-71s were retired in January 1990 for about 90% political reasons and about 10% physical limitations. The biggest being that there was no real time data transfer from the aircraft to the ground. The stated reason was that it cost too much to operate. That is pure Bull S_ _ t ! It was expensive on a per flight hour basis, especially if you figured in tanker support and all the other things that helped out, but went on anyway, even without the Blackbird. Things like Air Traffic Control, security, etc. Two A models and the only B model were operated by NASA during this time.
Three Blackbirds were un-retired in 1995 and flew occasionally for about 3 years. USAF stopped flying them in early 1998. NASA made the last ever flight of an SR-71 in December 1999 for the Edwards AFB Air Show using tail number 17980.
The SR-71 was retired the second time for several reasons
1. The supporting infrastructure was so thoroughly destroyed in 1990 that it just wasn't feasible to get it all back together. Things like the twin Buick or Chevy 454 cubic inch engine start carts were nearly all destroyed or rendered unserviceable and put in museums. KC-135Q tankers were retrograded to be unable to handle the JP-7 fuel.
2. With only three flyable aircraft, (actually two), you can't have one on ready alert at Kadena, one at Mildenhall, England, one available in the US for training and one grounded for deep phase maintenance. Simple arithmetic.
3. Congress had allocated funds for the un-retirement, but the USAF "leaders" (??????) refused to support the program any more than they were forced to. Stupid, narrow minded, prejudiced attitudes.

So much for my, "narrow minded, prejudiced" opinions!

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Posted by yardbird78 on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 4:32 PM
In the interest of stirring up a little activity on this thread, I will post some photos of the second sister in the Blackbird Triumverate, better know as the YF-12A. This was supposed to be the interceptor version of the Blackbird and was armed with 3 Hughes AIM-47 air to air missiles. It was intended to intercept the "hoards of Russian bombers" as they crossed the north pole on their way to obliterate the US. Each missile had a range of about a 100 miles and could hit a fighter sized target dead center. The model is 1/72 scale and is the original Revell 1966 release that stirred up so much controversy about security violations. It is reasonably accurate except for the fuselage being to deep.





Two of the A-12 Blackbirds were redesignated as M-21 and built to carry the D-21 drone on their backs, then launch them at speed and altitude. The first three tests worked fine, but the 4th resulted in a mid-air collision between the M-21 and D-21, both machines broke up in flight and the two crewmen on the M-21 ejected. both landed successfully in the Pacific Ocean, but the backseater, Ray Torrick, drowned before he could be picked up. Drone #7 and onward were built as B models, with the intent that they be carried under the wings of a B-52H and launched in that manner. The easiest way to tell a B model is by the presence of the pitot tube on the leading edge of each wing.
The model is included in the Monogram, now Revell kit of the SR-71. A point to remember is that the SR-71 NEVER, EVER carried one of these drones. Only the M-21 did.



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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:42 PM
Dan,
It's the Academy 1/72 SR-71A Blackbird. It's looking like a great kit to build!

Yardbird78,
That's some great info you got there! Any chance of getting some pics of the real thing?

Cheers,
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Posted by yardbird78 on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 10:54 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by johnforster


Yardbird78,
That's some great info you got there! Any chance of getting some pics of the real thing?Cheers, John


I never took any pictures of the SR-71 because security regulations said I would go to jail if I did and I wasn't willing to jeopardize my career to get few pictures. I have to settle for what is published in one of several fine books on the Blackbird family.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:49 AM
Yardbird, those models are awesome. That's such a smooth paint job, how did you recreate it?

A always your inside info is well received. Can you recommend any books?

Thanks John, I've just ordered mine for a future build.

Thanks,

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 24, 2005 4:38 AM
No worries, Dan. Enjoy it!
Cheers,
John
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 25, 2005 12:57 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Dan1677
Any scale and any plane as long as it was/is part of a stealth programme.

Dan, What about the flying wings? The Horten Ho 229 was not part of a stealth program but turned out to have a reduced radar profile and accidentally became the first stealth plane. I feel it is the basis of alot of the stealth we have now. Then there is also the USAF's flying wings (YB-49A).

I've been wanting to build the PM 1/72 Horten Ho 229 for a while now.

QUOTE:
If I get a good enough response then we'll go ahead with it.

Looks like you have a few now and you can include me if I can use the Horten plane. When will you be deciding if this GB is a go?
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 27, 2005 4:44 AM
My SR-71A is shelved FTM, while I finish the Hornet for the 1/72 Attack A/C GB.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 27, 2005 10:48 AM
www.sr-71.org
And here some really cool videos
http://www.wvi.com/~sr71webmaster/srlink~1.htm
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 1, 2005 11:14 AM
I-beam, yeah this build is a go, go, go!!

The Horten will be great, by all accounts it's the basis for what we're all building.

My Hasegawa F117 Nighthawk arrived today. Boy it's pretty big for a 1/72 scale. I'm a little upset that the dials are a decal as there is plenty of room to have made surface detail but oh well!

May buy a detailing kit but we'll see how much they go for!

Happy building!!
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Posted by caine on Thursday, March 3, 2005 7:39 PM
I guess I'll put us some pics of my Academy F-117 that I still havn't finished from the last GB. So if anyone has any questions about the kit, you can ask me. I did find out that the kit was made to attach the bomb trapees the wrong way. I should get to painting this weekend. Hopefully I'll have pics soon.
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Posted by Gilmund on Friday, March 4, 2005 7:56 AM
The strangest thing happened!!

I was struggeling with my Itareri 1/72 Raptor, and as some of you know, it´s not the best of kits. One night about two weeks ago I got so tired of it that I grabbed my Italeri X-35. Ít looked like a really easy-to-build kit, so I put the F-22 aside for awile. I´ve worked on the X-35 since then, and it´s now ready for paint. I know that some of you don´t think this is fast, but for me it´s a revolution in progress! I´m going to paint it next week.

I signed up for the F-117, but I guess I´m in for both now. (X-35 is stealthy, right??).

Speaking of the F-117, I´m planning the steps right now and will begin building parallell as I paint the X-35. What do you think is a good color for the F-117, since pictures show(like the one below) that it´s not entirely black. The intake grilles is always darker. Maybe adding a little white or blue.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 4, 2005 11:11 AM
Hi Johan,

You're right about the F117 not being totally black, it's more like a really dark grey. What I intend to do is paint the whole thing matt black but then airbrush a few coats of Tamiya flat base. If you have anough flat base in the mixture actually makes colours look slightly grey ( or dusty as I found on my olive drab comanche), it should turn out really well. I'll let you know how i get on.

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Posted by Trigger on Wednesday, March 9, 2005 2:55 PM
Dan

I think I'd like to jump in with my 1/48 F/A-22A. Is it too late to join?
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 11, 2005 6:53 AM
I don't think so. We never really had a starting date and the end date is the end of this year. So, yeah! Jump on in and Sign - Welcome [#welcome]
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Posted by Gilmund on Friday, March 11, 2005 8:03 AM
I found a thread from november last year regarding the color on the F-117, I found it most useful.

http://www.finescale.com/fsm/community/forum/topic.asp?page=-1&TOPIC_ID=30213&REPLY_ID=302556#302556
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Posted by Gilmund on Friday, March 11, 2005 8:05 AM
Sorry I forgot....Sign - Welcome [#welcome] Trigger 74
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 11, 2005 4:40 PM
Hey trigger, please join in. I've been so busy with work I haven't even made a start yet!! Not to fear for the weekend is here!!
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Posted by caine on Friday, March 11, 2005 7:01 PM
I intend to try using Polly-S "Scale Black" for my F-117. I should be getting to that in the next week or two. I'll let everyone know how it looks.
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Posted by Trigger on Friday, March 11, 2005 7:11 PM
Thanks guys! Always cool to get an international welcome from a Brit, a Swede and an Aussie!
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Posted by caine on Saturday, March 12, 2005 2:39 PM
Just to let everyone know, I tried painting my 1/48 F-117 today using the Polly-S "Scale Black" and it looks a little too gray. Almost a gunship gray, just not dark enough. I think I'm going to make the next coat out of a 50/50 mix of the "Scale Black" and their "NATO Tri-Color Balck" and see how that looks.
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Posted by caine on Saturday, March 12, 2005 5:28 PM
Well, the results are in and I would definately recommed something darker than "scale black" I tried about a 50/50 mix with true black and it still seems a little too gray, but it's much closer. I would recommend using a 70% Black / 30% Gunship gray if you are trying to get that F-117 grayish hue. I'll get some pics up soon to help you see what it looks like.
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Posted by yardbird78 on Sunday, March 13, 2005 1:04 AM
Caine,
Thanks for the paint information. I am working on an SR-71C and I don't want to do it in total black.

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Posted by caine on Sunday, March 13, 2005 1:23 PM
Here is a photo of my F-117 with the 50/50 coat I talked about. Looks pretty good, but I think it should be just a little bit darker.



I hope the picture displays properly, this is my first attempt using my own server space to store pics.

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Posted by cossack on Monday, March 14, 2005 5:20 AM
Call me a coward, but I did my SR-71 and my F-117 both in Tamiya rattle black ... gave me a great finish. And ok ... it might be a little out of scale, but I think the colour looks just fine on both my aircraft.

I will post photos later this week Smile [:)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 5:09 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by cossack

Call me a coward, but I did my SR-71 and my F-117 both in Tamiya rattle black ... gave me a great finish. And ok ... it might be a little out of scale, but I think the colour looks just fine on both my aircraft.

I will post photos later this week Smile [:)]



OK!!! You're a COWARD!!! Angry [:(!]
No, jokin'. Tongue [:P] Sounds okay, waitin' for pics now.
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Posted by yardbird78 on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:44 AM
Those who are working on an SR-71 might find this of interest. These are original patches that I wore on my fatigue (utility) uniforms during my 1965-1977 assignment at Beale AFB, CA, with the titanium wonderbird.

9th Strategic Reconnaissance Wing



9th Reconnaissance Technical Squadron



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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 11:43 PM
Question: yardbird78, what were you actually allowed to tell your family about where you worked? From what I've heard, the secrecy level was pretty intense.
Also, what was your actual position/appointment?
Thanks for the pics.
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Posted by AH1Wsnake on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 2:05 AM
Also, how did the wing patch pictured above come to incorporate the U.S. Coast Guard motto of "Semper Paratus"? Smile [:)]

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:19 PM
I got my plane in the mail yesterday. Ready to go now. The PM models kit has plenty of deficiencies but they don't bother me. Good things are no exterior ejector pin marks, only 17 total parts (I know thats not really a good thing [:0]), and nice large area to paint the camo scheme.



Note on painting the F-117A: When I painted mine I used Floquil Railroad colors engine black. It's pretty dark with a satin sheen. Then I dull coated and it lighted up by a few shades. Just my My 2 cents [2c]
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Posted by AH1Wsnake on Saturday, March 19, 2005 1:48 AM
Hey guys, just an update from me,
Wish I had a digital camera to show you some pics, but I am about 60% done with my F-22. I have the fuselage all assembled, sanded, and primed. The landing gears are built up, and waiting for the final paint job. I scratch-built the instrument panel (came with only a decal) with various digital displays. My only headache right now is the darn intake problem. As-is, I would have had some huge gaps in their fit, so I am currently adding on some sheet styrene to them in order to get a seamless fit. Once this last hurdle is achieved, I'm home free! Can't wait to get the camo scheme and decals on it!

As a side note seeking advice....I bought some Tamiya 'smoke' paint recently. I want to airbrush this onto my canopy in order to give it a slightly tinted look. Any recommendations on how to proceed? I'd hate to screw up this piece. Should I dip the canopy in Future first? Would a thinned-out smoke from the airbrush eat away the future? So many questions, lol. Thanks for any input.

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:11 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by AH1Wsnake
As a side note seeking advice....I bought some Tamiya 'smoke' paint recently. I want to airbrush this onto my canopy in order to give it a slightly tinted look. Any recommendations on how to proceed? I'd hate to screw up this piece. Should I dip the canopy in Future first? Would a thinned-out smoke from the airbrush eat away the future? So many questions, lol. Thanks for any input.


AH1Wsnake, There are alot of more experienced airplane modelers than me but I don't think that method will work. I'm not sure but it will probably fog the canopy. I've tinted a couple of canopies (READ: "couple" not "lots"). I just used a couple drops of food coloring mixed with future and dipped the canopy. The smoke color could be made by mixing red/green/yellow food coloring. Hopefully someone else will have better advice for you.
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Posted by Gilmund on Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:14 AM
Caine - Your F-117 looks great, but like you said, it could be just a little darker. But even if don´t make it darker I think that´s fine. Pictures show that some a/c are not quite so dark.

I-beam - that is a very cool-looking plane, looking forward to see the finished thing.

AH1Wsnake - the intakes on the F-22 is a killer. I did like you use sheet styrene. I cut one wall for each intake and placed them next to each other, in the middle. I then bended them outwards about where the center missile bay begins. I then added a ceiling in each intake, I had to file it down alot to make it fit to the lower forward fusealage part. Now when you look in, you don´t see a wall at the end because of the bended styrene. you just see the the side walls and then just darkness.

And Darwin - thanks for your inside info, it´s sooooo cool that you´ve worked with these thinges.

And you other guys - you´re not forgotten, keep it up!

I haven´t got so far on my F-117, I´ve gluded som parts together and cleaned up some other parts. My X-35 is nearly finished. I got the first coat of paint on it and I´m just going to do some touch-ups and then do the rest

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Posted by Trigger on Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:20 AM
Johan

Do you have any pix of your Raptor's intakes that you can share? AH1W and I are going to have the same problem with that area of the kit.

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Posted by yardbird78 on Saturday, March 19, 2005 4:05 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by johnforster

Question: yardbird78, what were you actually allowed to tell your family about where you worked? From what I've heard, the secrecy level was pretty intense.
Also, what was your actual position/appointment? Thanks for the pics.Cheers,John


John My time in the program was at the beginning when security was indeed extremely tight. We were allowed to tell our families that we worked with the SR-71 and what our basic job was, but nothing else. We were required to keep a bag packed at work with uniforms, personal items, etc. We could go in to work on a given day and be doing our normal stuff when the boss comes in, points his finger at certain people and says, "Come with me." We would drop whatever we were doing, grab our mobility bag, get on a bus over to the flight line, get on a KC-135 and depart. No communication of any kind with anyone. Someone at the squadron would call the wives and tell them their husbands had just been deployed. Unknown as to where or for how long. Some of these were just a test and lasted only 1 or 2 days. Some were the real thing and lasted up to 6 months. Excuses such as family birthdays, anniversaries, graduations, vacations, etc were considered irrelevant and made no difference.
Examples of security:
1. If we were off base in the civilian community, we were not allowed to bring up the subject of the SR-71. If someone else brought it up, we were supposed to change the subject. If they persisted, we were required to report them to securtiy and the FBI would investigate. They made it plain to the individuals concerned that discussing the subject was unacceptable and doing so could bring federal criminal charges.
2. One of my first security briefings stated that the fact that the SR-71 was air-refuelable was TOP SECRET. This was pretty stupid because nobody in their right mind in those days made a combat air craft that was not. Common sense and logic were secondary to saying absolutely NOTHING about the program.
3. I was very active in radio control model flying at the time and I had a small camera mounted inside one of my planes. We flew off of an old abandoned parking lot about 5 miles from the flight line. I showed a spectator one day what I had and he reported me to security as taking unauthorized photos of the SR-71. I was called into the Wing Commander's office the next day and had to explain that it was impossible to fly the RC models that far away. It was suggested fairly stongly that I discontinue taking aerial photos anywhere on base.

I was assigned to the 9th Recon Tech Squadron, a subordinate unit of the 9th Strat Recon Wing. My job title was, Imagery Analysis Technician That covered the obvious of analyzing any visual, infra-red or radar imagery from the bird and also included mission planning.
The mission planning involved a lot of detailed computations as to precisely where it would fly, start and end turn points, start and end refueling tracks, start end acceleration and deceleration points, when the sensors turned on and off , where they were pointed, fuel consumption, electronic defensive equipment operaton, etc. It involved at LOT of work and required several people several days to plan a complete misson. Sometimes we could cheat and used certain segments from other "canned" missions and just piece them together. There was a sign in the area that read, "You have never been lost until you have been lost at Mach 3 ! That was a good reference as to how accurate the mission planning had to be. A very small mistake in numbers could lead to very large problems in a hurry at that speed.

AH1Wsnake I don't know about the Coast Guard motto, but the words "SEMPER PARATUS were on the original wing shield. I have seen some in later years that had, "9th Strat Recon Wing" on the bottom.

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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Saturday, March 19, 2005 4:51 PM
Question [?]
I was wondering if I could get in on this build as well? Next on my bench is a 1/144th Su-37 Berkut from Revell-Germany. I know that this is not a true "stealth" aircraft but it is about as stealthy as russian aircraft come. I was thinking about loosing the boring black paint scheme and perhaps using the hi-vis scheme that their Su-27 demo team has.

Thanks

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Posted by Gilmund on Saturday, March 19, 2005 6:28 PM
Trigger 74, I have no "in-progress" pictures of the intakes (I really gotta get one of those digicams, but you heard about my J.O.B.) and now the fuselage is closed up. I´ll try to take som pics of the intakes from the outside at my fathers house and maybe do a drawing or something to explain it better. It has to wait atleast a coupple of days though. I´ll try to fix it.

Keep it up /Johan
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Posted by Trigger on Sunday, March 20, 2005 5:53 AM
Johan

No problem. Finished pix will work. This is my second Raptor, so I know what OOB looks like; I can extrapolate from there.
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Posted by AH1Wsnake on Sunday, March 20, 2005 1:12 PM
http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/articles/military_photos_200481023.asp
Found a link to some very good action shots of the F-22. Go to the bottom of the page and there are links to 6 more photos. Nothing too up-close, but can still give some good references and inspiration for anyone else building the Raptor. The metal-finish birds look quite interesting. I presume that they are on their pre-acceptance trial flights?
The rest of the website has a lot of great military photos in general. Maybe you can get some references or ideas for other projects.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 20, 2005 5:56 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by blkhwkmatt
Su-37 Berkut from Revell-Germany. I know that this is not a true "stealth" aircraft but it is about as stealthy as russian aircraft come

Dan let me in with my Horton and that wasn't a true "stealth" ethier. Only after testing did they discover it had a reduced radar profile. The Berkut will be cool. Not up to me but I personally look forward to seeing it done.
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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Monday, March 21, 2005 4:58 AM
The Horton is a great looking aircraft that is for sure. I think that i'll build it either with the Russian Knights scheme or the new Swifts scheme ( although they are the Mig-29 demo team). That one is too good looking to pass up.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 21, 2005 10:41 AM
Hi blkhwkmatt,

Come on in. I guess the Su-37 is as close as a Russian aircraft gets!
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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Monday, March 21, 2005 3:27 PM
Dan1677,

Thanks for the welcome, Hopefully I'll be able to post some pics in a couple of weeks, right now I'm waiting on my new airbrush to get here.Big Smile [:D]
Supposedly the Berkut was to have a RCS of 0.3m if I remember my references right. Due to the general downfall of the russian aerospace industry however, it is looking like this cool jet will never see production.

Again, thanks for the welcome,
Matt

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 21, 2005 11:34 PM
AH1Wsnake, You asked about "smoking" your F-22 canopy earlier with Tamiya smoke. There is a thread in the paintbrush forum now that says this does work.
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Posted by AH1Wsnake on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:23 AM
Thanks for the update, I-beam. Actually, only about a day before the post you saw, I posted my own question about smoke paint & canopies in the Techniques forum. Got very few responses. I'll do a little experimenting with the airbrush here in a bit. Probably try to mix the smoke with future too, just to check out the dip method for my own sake. I'll post here if I discover anything interesting!

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 4:21 AM
Not much progress on my SR-71 for awhile, although I've almost finished the cockpit. However, I went to the Australian International Airshow last weekend and saw the JSF! Very nice, I must say. Can't wait for a kit!!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 26, 2005 7:06 PM
OK I guess I should say something.
The cockpit is complete and installed in the fuselage and the fuselage halves have been joined. Tail fins are on, nose wheel gear and doors, outer main gear doors are on and the main landing gear is painted and ready to install. One problem: I've lost the clear parts, all the canopy bits!! Sad [:(] Now I'll have to hunt around in my room for them. However, I'll press on. I've also put on the first coat of paint, Tamiya acryllic XF-69 NATO Black. This is a great colour because it's not quite black.
How are everyone else's builds going?
Happy Easter!
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Posted by Gilmund on Monday, March 28, 2005 6:12 PM
Hey, guess what! My father is giving me a digital cameraBig Smile [:D], so now I can start take part in these forums a little more. I get it later this week and then I will post pictures of the intakes of my F-22 (as trgger asked for) and some of my X-35!
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 5:22 AM
Great news, there, Johan!! Now we'll see your build once finished!
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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 12:47 PM
I have the main body of my small su-47 together, the main, forward swept wings and the horizontal stabilizers, intake ducts and nose on. For now the canards are left off to help rid the plane of seams when i fill and sand it. I think that i might paint the aircraft in what i would call a service camo scheme based on the one su-37 demo plane (tail # 711) instead of the straight black scheme. Hopefully i'll have it ready to paint in a few more days. I had forgotten how much fun 1/144 scale can be when the kit is a good one.

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Posted by overkillphil on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 5:57 PM
Moved my work bench a couple of weeks ago and in moving it ten feet I lost the Canopy and the instructions. I swear this kit doesn't want to get built. (I had to withdraw this kit from the last stealth gb for various reasons) Well, it's gotta be around somewhere...
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Posted by yardbird78 on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 10:49 PM
o.k.p.
Just don't find it with your foot by stepping on it. That tends to create negative affects.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:44 AM
Yes, indeed. I'm still watching my every step in my room at the moment, as I also managed to lose my clear sprue.
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Posted by overkillphil on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:02 PM
Well, not all hope is lost, I did find the instructions today.
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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Sunday, April 3, 2005 5:52 AM
my Berkut is mostly assembled, now working on the pain scheme, so I hope to be done with it in the next couple of weeks!!

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 3, 2005 7:53 AM
Any pics yet, Matt?
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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Sunday, April 3, 2005 7:59 AM
John,

No pics yet, i admit i have been remiss in that department!! Guess that i have been busy taking pics of my son's wrestling tourneys!!! WIll try to post some this evening!

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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Sunday, April 3, 2005 3:19 PM
here are the first pics of my Berkut - I abandoned the all black scheme of the demo bird in favor of a psudo-operational camo scheme. My first hought was to d othe digital looking scheme that the su-37 tail#711 had, but changed my mind. Also this is the first trials of my new badger 150 airbrush with the med size needle.

top view


bottom view


another top view


love to hear what you guys think bout this one.

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Posted by Gilmund on Sunday, April 3, 2005 4:11 PM
Matt, your berkut is looking really nice, it´s a very good cammo pattern that you came up with.
I got my camera now, so I wil post some pics tomorrow.

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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Monday, April 4, 2005 7:35 AM
I actually added a third shade to the pattern so will have to post some new pics soon. It will probably be finished before the new pics get posted though!!! Gotta love 1/144 scale!!!!!!

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 4, 2005 8:11 AM
Looking really good, Matt!
Keep us posted!
Not much to report on the SR-71 Blackbird, because my Dad is rebuilding my wooden window frame. As a result there is dust, woodchips, sawdust and who-knows-what-else on my floor and modelling desk at the moment. I'm hoping he finishes soon. In the meantime, I may transfer my center of operations to another room.
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Posted by Gilmund on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 1:48 AM
Phil, have you found the canopy yet?
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 9:58 AM
hey blkhwkmatt that paint scheme is AWESOME! It's really inspired me too get started on another kit that I have, an Su-35.

Have made little progress on the F117 due to pesky work! But I'll try to get some done over the weekend and post some piccies for you all to see.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 11:29 AM
Nice paint work Blkhwkmatt. I know what it's like to paint camo on 1/144 and that shows off the ablilities of the airbrush really well. Could I ask a favor? next time you post a picture of it could you put a ruler in the view for reference? Just for curiosity sake.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 11:29 AM
is the Dassault Rafale considered a "stealth" plane?
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Posted by Gilmund on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 3:46 PM
Guys, what do think of this



I found a kit like this one in my LHS today (I didn´t buy it, the pic is from modelsforsale.com) Looks pretty cool, but don´t know if there ever was a thing like that. The box said somethin like "The pentagon denies its existence, but Italeri has been able to produce a kit of this top secret steatlh plane". The box was dated 1991, so if there ever were a prototype or a mock-up, I guess it was cancelled.
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Posted by yardbird78 on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 5:30 PM
During most of the 1980's there were numerous rumors of various flying "things", UFO's if you will, operating out of Groom Lake Test Facility northwest of Las Vegas. The description of these "things" ran the gamut from extra-terrestial space ships to super secret, hyper velocity manned aircraft to the so called "stealth fighter or stealth bomber". Testor's Italeri initially released the F-19 as a supposedly accurate rendition of the stealth fighter that shortly afterwards was publicly released by the USAF as the Lockhedd F-117 of Desert Storm fame. The F-19 is purely the figment of someone's over active imagination.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 11:08 PM
I can't wait till one of the companies makes a kit of the stealth fighter-bomber shown in the movie "Stealth". That is one sexy plane!! Hopefully, Tamiya or Hasegawa get it into their heads to make it!
As for my 'old-school' SR-71, I'm still looking for the clear sprue. It seems to have developed active stealth on it's own! Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by yardbird78 on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 11:47 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by johnforster
As for my 'old-school' SR-71, I'm still looking for the clear sprue. It seems to have developed active stealth on it's own! Big Smile [:D]Cheers,John


All is not lost with the "stealth" clear sprue being MIA. Krystal Klear should work for the camera bay windows as well as cockpit windows. Those are pretty small and should actually look better.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 4:35 AM
The problem, Darwin, is that the whole canopy was molded in clear plastic, not just the windows. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a problem.
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Posted by Gilmund on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 5:31 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by johnforster

The problem, Darwin, is that the whole canopy was molded in clear plastic, not just the windows. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a problem.
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woo, that IS a problem...

Thanks for the info Darwin, I had a feeling that it was something like that.

John, isn´t this the plane from that movie!?

http://www.mkzobor.host.sk/foto/roman_kralovic/roman_kralovic.htm
ant these too...
http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/MONOGRAM%20F-19%20STEALTH%20PAGE.htm
http://www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~kasatosi/E.F-19.html
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:55 AM
Interesting how the box art of the F-19 looks totally different to the models on the link that Gilmund provided (thanks by the way). I assume that this is artistic licence being as the aircraft never existed, companies just made their own design and called it F-19? Strange though.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 7:50 AM
Gilmund,
Not quite, but it looks a bit like it. Here's a link of some stills taken from the movie "Stealth".
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/stu/jet.htm
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Posted by Gilmund on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:10 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by johnforster

Gilmund,
Not quite, but it looks a bit like it. Here's a link of some stills taken from the movie "Stealth".
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/stu/jet.htm
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Yea, they both got the engines on top, but not no sumular in general.
That raises the question: what is that, if it´s not the testors/italeri F-19, and not the stealth from the movie. yarbird78, can you help us out.
Here´s the links again:

http://www.mkzobor.host.sk/foto/roman_kralovic/roman_kralovic.htm
http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/MONOGRAM%20F-19%20STEALTH%20PAGE.htm
http://www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~kasatosi/E.F-19.html
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Posted by Gilmund on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:13 AM
here´s a built testors F-19, and it´s not the same as that other F-19

http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/TESTORS%20F-19%20STEALTH%20PAGE.htm
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Posted by overkillphil on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 12:17 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Gilmund

Phil, have you found the canopy yet?

Regrettably, no. After April 15 I hope to start a more thorough search for it. ( I work as a tax preparer so the next couple of weeks might be kinda busy)
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Posted by Gilmund on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 2:27 PM
I promised trigger74 to post pics of my F-22 intakes, unfortenatly I coluldn´t take any good ones, despite several atempts. It´s very difficoult to light up. Here´s the best one, but even that is out of focus.



Here´s a pic of the pit. When I did it about three years ago I was very pleased. It has been covered with masking tape since then, and now when it´s removed, I think it looks a bit mediocre. This was my first dry-brush experience, but I seem to have missed everything but the seat. Lack of seatbelt was nothing I thought about back then. This is one of the drawbacks of buildin kits over several years, when your skills grow.

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Posted by Gilmund on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 2:38 PM
This is how far I have come with my X-35 that I started in mid february. I haven´t done anything the last couple of weeks, I´ve been busy at work but now it´s all over.

I modified the nozzle so that it points backwards and opened up the intakes, otherwise it´s OOB After the first coat of paint I noticed some spots that wasn´t smooth so I added a bit of putty. I´m going to sand it down a paint it maybe tomorrow.



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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 3:20 PM
Gilmund - good looking raptor and X-35, they look at bit harder to model sine they have very smooth lines all over. Keep up the good work!!

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Posted by Trigger on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 3:47 PM
Thanks for the pix Johan!
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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 4:06 PM
Here are the latest pics of the Blue Berkut - with a ruler of sorts, the markings on my cutting mat. Hope you like!!! Big Smile [:D] (Scale is inches)







not much progress during the week, hopefully will get to work on it some this weekend!!!

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Posted by Gilmund on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 4:46 PM
Awesome cammo, Matt! Looks just great. And I´m glad that you liked my birds.Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by AH1Wsnake on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 4:57 PM
Thanks for posting your photos, Gilmund.
As for my progress, my technique of adding some lengths of styrene sheet to the Raptor intakes worked about as well as I hoped. Have spent quite a bit of sanding to get everything smooth, but they look good. Also, on the sides of the fuselage, I used so much putty and did so much sanding to make the missile doors fit, that the sides are now completely smooth, so I may go back and lightly rescribe some of the door panel lines. I should be ready for paint and decals within a couple weeks!

 

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Posted by Gilmund on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 5:08 PM
Sounds like you´re making good progress AH1Wsnake, keep it up.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 6:20 AM
This is why I avoided the F22 kit due to the many fit problems. I would just end up losing it and then it would have a fatal 'crash'!! Sometimes my lack of patience amazes even me.........!

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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Thursday, April 7, 2005 2:30 PM
Dan - i find that for me the less time that i have means that i have a greater amount of patience.

Thanks for the comments everyone, have found that i have fallen in love with the Badger 150 already, cant wait to try some "mottleing" on a German night fighter!!!

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Posted by yardbird78 on Thursday, April 7, 2005 4:52 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Gilmund

Yea, they both got the engines on top, but not no sumular in general.
That raises the question: what is that, if it´s not the testors/italeri F-19, and not the stealth from the movie. yarbird78, can you help us out.


The various model companies have always been in competition with each other to be the first on the market with a model of any new item of military equipment, especially exotic airplanes. As I said in my previous post, the rumors of what was happening at Groom Lake (The Ranch, Dreamland, etc) were going fast and furious during the 70s and 80s. They supposedly had new stealth airplanes, successors to the U-2 and SR-71, a whole squadron of Migs, our own space ships, possibly based on "captured" extra terrestrial space ships, (ala "Independence Day), and even aircraft that were capable of Mach 5 or 6 speeds and could make 180 degrees turns and stop/start instantaneously. Even if the technology existed for a machine that could do that, no human body could tolerate it.
The nomenclature F-19 Stealth was something coined by some over eager media type and the model companies jumped on it with all six feet.
Testors/Italeri came out with the little dart shaped thingie that they said was the F-19. Monogram came out with the big bat winged thingie soon after that and also called it the F19. One of the model companies, I think Monogram, came out with a Mig something or other that they claimed was the Russian stealth. Russia had barely even considered the stealth concept at that point in time.
This is the same time period when the term "Aurora" was so popular and many people were just absolutely convinced that "it" existed. Their only plausible logic to this idea was that after all, the USAF had done away with the SR-71, therefore they must have something even better to replace it. Testors came out with a mother/daughter kit supposedly of the Aurora (daughter) perched on the back of the SR-75 Penetrator(mother). Mother was supposedly capable of Mach 3-4 and Daughter could do Mach 6 or better. This combination was gargantuan with daughter being almost as big as an SR-71 and mother was something that would make a B-70 look like the size of a Cessna 150.
Let me post this text while I get a couple pictures of "daughter". "I'll Be Ba a a a a ck!"

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I bought mother/daughter as a combo kit and built daughter. I didn't build mother because I would have to rent a hangar at the airport in order to store it.

The 1/72 "Aurora" next to a 1/72 F-4K Phantom



Another view of Aurora, Two large turbo jet engines on the bottom, two hydrogen fueled Ram Jets on the top.

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Posted by Gilmund on Thursday, April 7, 2005 5:31 PM
Darwin - Thanks again for your endless knowledge in these matters.
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Posted by overkillphil on Friday, April 8, 2005 11:00 AM
I just recently read an interview with a fromer F-117 pilot (in the squadron signal F-117 book) that said that the F-117 designation was actually a mistake and that the Nighthawk was probably meant to be called the F-19. The situation was similar to the SR-71 which was actually originaly designated the RS-71 until LBj or somebody called the SR- in public and the name just stuck. While the initial test flights were under way the Nighthawk used the call sign 117 (a generic call sign used by a number of covert flights in the Groom Lake/Tonopah area) and somebody started producing manuals for the F-117 by mistake. By then it would have cost millions to rewrite everything so they just adopted the -117 designation. That's the story I've heard on the F-19 issue anyway.
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Posted by Gilmund on Friday, April 8, 2005 11:47 AM
Interesting story, seems to make sense.
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Posted by yardbird78 on Monday, April 11, 2005 12:23 AM
I have finally made some progress on my SR-71C. The photos show the basic assembly. The black forward fuselage is from the Testors/Italeri SR-71, which can be built as an A or B, and the silver aft fuselage, wings, engines part is from the Testor's/Italeri YF-12A. This was the same combination used in the making of the full scale bird.
I installed the raised 2nd cockpit and canopy, removed the RHAW antenna bulges from the nose, filled in the OBC camera window opening in the nose as well as the 4 OOC and TEOC camera windows in the chine bays. Then the ventral center stabilizer fin was removed and the mount faired over. The overall fit was pretty good, so not too much filler was needed. The next step will be to get a coat of black paint on it. She will be dressed as the "Hangar Queen" that she was from 1976 to 1990.

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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Monday, April 11, 2005 3:28 AM
yardbird, that is a good looking SR. I have only seen one once in flight and it left a huge impression on me. Even today that plane has an otherworldly shape to it!

Keep up the good work!!!

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Posted by Gilmund on Monday, April 11, 2005 6:15 AM
You´re making good progress Darwin. Do you remember the kitbashing story in FSM not so long ago, I think Paul Boyer wrote it. Did he make a C also, or was it some other blackbird?
What are you going to use for decals?

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Posted by yardbird78 on Monday, April 11, 2005 9:28 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Gilmund

You´re making good progress Darwin. Do you remember the kitbashing story in FSM not so long ago, I think Paul Boyer wrote it. Did he make a C also, or was it some other blackbird? What are you going to use for decals? Keep it up /Johan


Johan,
Yes, I remember Mr Boyer's article. He made the original Blackbird, the A-12 using the same SR front end and F-12 back end. I have been planning on using this technique to build an A-12, an M-21 and an SR-71C for several years. He got it done before I did.
The C model used the same high visibility markings as the early A models so that part will use either kit decals or basic AM marks. The only thing I have to do is cobble together the tail number 17981 and the nacelle "Buzz" number 981. I have enough white numbers to pull that off. I also have to scratch build all the various parts of her "Hangar Queen Dress". It will definately conjure up visions of Scarlet O'Hara.

blkhwkmatt,
Yes, it does seem unworldly or futuristic doesn't it? The design of the Titanium Wonderbird is nearly 50 years old and even today would be considered cutting edge technology. She will still outperform anything else currently in the sky or even planned.
A testament to the unbridled genius of Kelly Johnson, Ben Rich and the rest of the Skunk Works gang. I feel so priviledged to have stood in her shadow for those 12 years.

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Posted by caine on Monday, April 11, 2005 11:04 PM
Some more notes on the F-19/F-117 history...
I thought I had head somewhere that F-117 was chosen because it was a number that wouldn't raise much suspicion by any spys out there since it didn't fit the normal naming convention. I thought (and I could be wrong) that they used to use designations of F-116 for some F-16s that had been modified to simulate MiGs for combat traning... but I begin to question that since the F-16 was still rather new when the F-117 was developed.

As for the "Aurora" code name, I recall reading that it was the original code name used by the B-2 program and since that was about the time the SR-71 was being retired, it was assumed to be replacement for the Blackbird... but by the time the B-2 became a "white world" program, the idea was intrenched. An interesting side note to the SR-71 replacement is the Lockheed Martin has been working on a stealthy UAV based on their Dark Star (presumably) and was actually flown during the intial phases of the Iraq war. There were reports of U-2 pilots complaining about other aircraft in their airspace! The Air Force has officially acknowledged its existance, but they haven't said much more... should be interesting to find out in a few years or decades.

As for my F-117 model, I'm about ready to start decaling soon. I'll put up some pics when I get there.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:19 PM
Hmmm, interesting that.
I'm back from a week training with the AAC out in the scrub! 6 days of running around in the bush, sleeping in the mud and hooning in the back of Land Rovers! Great fun! However, that means that my build has gone by the board. I'll get back to it asap.
How's everyone else's going? Any pics?
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Posted by yardbird78 on Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:50 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by johnforster
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I'm back from a week training with the AAC out in the scrub! How's everyone else's Doing? Any pics? Cheers, John


John,
The basic construction is complete on my SR-71C, clear coat applied, decals just finished this evening, (d _ _ _ there are a lot of those little suckers), and I am working on the finishing touches. It should be done in another day or two. I will post pictures then.

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Posted by yardbird78 on Saturday, April 16, 2005 4:52 PM
I have finished my SR-71C trainer/Hangar Queen for this GB. I have posted a more complete write up on the general aircraft forum. I will repost the pictures here.

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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Saturday, April 16, 2005 4:54 PM
Yardbird, I must say that you have a great looking SR-71. That is a very impressive build. Congrats!!!

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 18, 2005 6:30 AM
Great build yardbird!

Due to injuries I am extending the deadline of this build to the end of the year. May seem like overkill so feel free to do mutliple builds. Sorry but I am unable to do any sort of modelling at the moment and probably won't for another 2 months.

Hope this is okay with everyone.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 18, 2005 7:19 AM
Not good news, mate.
No good news from me either, chaps. I've shelved the SR-71 for the moment, as I STILL can't find the missing clear sprue!! Angry [:(!]
However, I'm not pulling out of the build. This gave me a perfect excuse to buy the Testors 1/72 B-2 Spirit, I've been eyeing off for awhile!! Big Smile [:D]
Has anyone else built this kit before? Anything I should know about? I'll post when I've opened the box, which will be a while, because I want to finish my Hornet for the 1/72 Attack a/c GB first, then give myself some workbench space. This is looking like being a BIG model!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 18, 2005 9:01 AM
Glad you'll be doing a B2 John. I really wanted to do that as my build but could not find a stockist anywhere locally.

Can't wait for piccies!
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 1:11 AM
Here's some pics of the sprues. I couldn't help myself, I just HAD to have a peek into the box!! Big Smile [:D] Anyway, it's looking like being a great model! Given me heaps of inspiration to finish my Hornet now, just so I can get started on this one!





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Posted by jinithith2 on Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:24 PM
can the model be already in another group build?
if so, I'll join with the SR-71 in 1/72
I'm in the Eye in the Sky Group build
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Posted by jinithith2 on Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:37 PM
since the recon GB is allowing cross builds, I'll join you guys and do the recon as a cross! if that is ok with you of course
oh, and IF I can join can you set the time limit for me a little past June? or is that asking too much?
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 29, 2005 5:27 AM
I'm sure it could be extended. I've got a 1/72 B-2 that I'm building for this and I haven't even started! Big Smile [:D] Dan?
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Posted by jinithith2 on Friday, April 29, 2005 2:17 PM
so i can join?
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 29, 2005 10:58 PM
Of course you can join! I think it's pretty likely that the end date will have to be extended anyway, because of Dan's accident!
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 30, 2005 12:09 AM
I've already asked this question a couple of weeks ago, but not sure if it's ever answered: is the Rafale considered a stealth jet? If so I'll enter this GB with my Revell 1/48 Rafale M. End of year deadline should be do-able for me.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 30, 2005 8:33 PM
Hmmm, I'm not really sure, Terry. Does it have any type of cloaking features? Even active stealth technology or a radar-reducing profile would be alright. If it's got any of them, then yeah I guess so..we'll ask Dan...when he gets back on! Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by jinithith2 on Saturday, April 30, 2005 8:46 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by johnforster

Of course you can join! I think it's pretty likely that the end date will have to be extended anyway, because of Dan's accident!
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yay! that i can join and
No! for dan's accident
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 2, 2005 11:56 AM
John,
Well, I think the Rafale is only "somewhat" stealthy. It's not designed from the ground up to be radar invisible, but it does have some characteristics you'd find on a true stealth jet: the profile, the jagged edge on the LG doors etc. If the f-117 is 100% stealth, then I'd say the Rafale is 40%.
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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Monday, May 2, 2005 5:43 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by loftycomfort

John,
Well, I think the Rafale is only "somewhat" stealthy. It's not designed from the ground up to be radar invisible, but it does have some characteristics you'd find on a true stealth jet: the profile, the jagged edge on the LG doors etc. If the f-117 is 100% stealth, then I'd say the Rafale is 40%.
Terry


If I had a vote about letting you in, I'd have to say yes, based on the fact that I've entered this GB with the Su-47 Berkut Cool [8D] which is also only a "somewhat" stealthy aircraft!!!! Hope that you'll get in with us!!! Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Saturday, May 14, 2005 6:06 PM
Update from my personal "skunk works"

With any luck I should be able to rool out my Berkut by tomorrow night!!! I have the assembly complete and will shoot a coat of future tomorrow am then decal. Still am debating on just how much I should weather the bird, since I am finishing it in a psudo-operational scheme. For a 1/144th scale bird, i have invested a good deal of time, but so far it is worth the effort!

Update 16 May 05 - Landing gear is on, so she is sitting on her own now, just have to do some small touch up work and then seal it with future. Didnt get much done this weekend, to much other stuff to do (spring cleaning with the Misses) but I might get something done on it this week.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 16, 2005 11:07 PM
Hey all, I'm still here just checking in. I got my wing(s) glued together on the Horten 229. I guess you call it wings there really is no fuselage, no tail either so I guess I get to skip some steps ... Confused [%-)]Whistling [:-^] Should be done quick now I hope. It'll be fun to paint.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:48 AM
Sounds good, I-beam. Piccies? Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 1:38 AM
My Su-47 Berkut is complete!! I'll be shooting some pics tonight to post here!!!

It was a fun little build with no major issues on fit except for the underside of the wings just forward of the intakes - huge gap. I left it there beccause it almost looks like it belongs. Maybe next time I'll fill it. I'll post more information on the kit with the pictures!!!

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Posted by jinithith2 on Thursday, May 26, 2005 8:29 PM
guys, have we decide upon an official end date?
if it's June 2005, I'm dead cos I'm going to ROK over breakBig Smile [:D]Sad [:(]
if the end date can't be postponed, I'm gonna have to drop out.
I've already started on the cockpit, but I habe serious doubt about finishing before the end date.
I still have a ferdy to finish.
If I knew that I would join so many other GB's I wouldn't have signed up for this.... sorry guys.
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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Saturday, May 28, 2005 2:07 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jinithith2

guys, have we decide upon an official end date?
if it's June 2005, I'm dead cos I'm going to ROK over breakBig Smile [:D]Sad [:(]
if the end date can't be postponed, I'm gonna have to drop out.
I've already started on the cockpit, but I habe serious doubt about finishing before the end date.
I still have a ferdy to finish.
If I knew that I would join so many other GB's I wouldn't have signed up for this.... sorry guys.


i do believe that the end date has been extended to the end of this year. Hope that this news cheers you up!!!

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Posted by caine on Sunday, May 29, 2005 2:05 AM
Well, it's been a while, but here are a few pictures of my progress on my 1/48 Academy F-117.



The exhaust I painted using Testors Magnesium Metalizer followed by some light passes with Exhaust Metalizer. Note that I also decided to paint the air vents using a darker black than the rest of the fuselage to make them stand out better.



I dedcided to try and simulate the strange bronze color that can be seen in the intake grill at certain angles. I airbrushed Tamiya "Metalic Brown" from the side of the grill and then painted over it with black from the front of the aircraft. That left some of the metalic color visible from the side angles.


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Posted by Gilmund on Sunday, May 29, 2005 6:21 AM
wow caine that looks great! What did you use for the overall color and the tinted clear part.
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Posted by caine on Sunday, May 29, 2005 12:15 PM
The canopy on the Academy kit comes tinted in the orange color. The overall color was about a 70/30 mix of Polly-S "NATO Tri Color Black" and "Scale Black".
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Posted by jinithith2 on Sunday, May 29, 2005 12:42 PM
very nice caine!
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Posted by Gilmund on Sunday, May 29, 2005 1:33 PM
caine - I´m sorry to bother you again, but can you describe how you did the tinting(thinning ratio, paint brand, paint on the inside or outside of the clear part).

Sorry that I didn't get it.

Thanks /Johan
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Posted by caine on Monday, May 30, 2005 3:26 PM
The kit canopy was already tinted, I did not do anything to it. The color was put in the parts when it was manufactured at the factory. At first I was a little disapointed that they pre-tinted the canopy, but I think it turned out to look really nice.
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Posted by Gilmund on Monday, May 30, 2005 6:30 PM
oops, I see now that you've already said that. Must be going dyslectic. Thanks caine, I think it looks great.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 20, 2005 9:39 PM
I guess I better pull this GB off the fourth page and back to the fore again!! Here are some in-progress shots of my 1/72 B-2.


Front port side, w/out cockpit or windscreen.



2 shots of the underside, showing the bomb and landing gear bays. Testors has no molded any detail into these, apparently because they are classified. I think some 'imaginative guessimation' is in order! Big Smile [:D]


Another shot of the underside.


Testors tells you to put 1 penny into the nose to hold it down....but I found that 4 20c pieces only do the trick! And they're heavier than a quarter!


The B-2's payload of 8 nuclear missiles.


Did I mention that it was big? This is the B-2 next to my 1/72 F/A-18 Hornet!

Please don't let the thread die out again! Spam it up!
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Posted by caine on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 9:09 AM
Very nice! How is that kit to build? I've considered adding it to my stealth collection. Hopefully I'll get my F-117 done in the next week or two. I'll try to keep things alive...
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 7:08 PM
It's not bad. Some of the larger moldings (wings, main fuselage) are a little tricky to put together, so patience is required for that. But all up, it's a lot of fun and builds up into a great model, very imposing!
Cheers,
John
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Posted by yardbird78 on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 9:47 PM
Nice work on the B-2. I am (was) a career SAC Weenie, so the big bombers are a favorite of mine.

Darwin, O.F. Alien [alien]

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The B-52 and me, we have grown old, gray and overweight together.

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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Monday, July 18, 2005 7:26 AM
your Spirit looks great so far, and it is a huge plane.

My Berkut has met with some FOD while waiting for the photo booth, I'll have to fix it today and then shoot the pics. Hopefully that will happen this week!!!!

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur!!! - Anything said in Latin sounds profound!

 

 

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Posted by overkillphil on Monday, July 18, 2005 10:48 AM
I don't think the lack of detail in the B-2 has anything to do with classification, I think Testor's was just sort of lazy. I really wish some other company would kit that bird out. Well, I thought this build was over. I finally ordered a replacement canopy for my X-32, so maybe I'll be able to finish this one after all since all it needs is paint and final assembly.
my favorite headache/current project: 1/48 Panda F-35 "I love the fact that dumb people don't know who they are. I hope I'm not one of them" -Scott Adams
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Posted by Gilmund on Thursday, July 28, 2005 6:13 PM
I`ve finally snaped some pictures of the 1/72 X-35 I´ve been building. It has been finished for several months, but for some reason I haven´t taken any pictures until now.

I´m not too pleased with my build, but not totally dissapointed eather. The Italeri kit was straightforward to build but has a lot of noticeable flaws; all of the gear doors are wrong, the canopy should be two pieces, the ejection seat is wrong and there are several details and markings missing, especially on the sides.

Concidering that this is the plane of the future, my guess is that there will be several more acurate kits in the years to come, so I decided to not attemt to correct some of these flaws.

The only thing I did was to open up the intakes and modify the exaust nozzle to upright position and close its doors (the kit comes with the option of nozzle down olny). I left out the national insignias because there are non on any pictures I´ve seen of the real thing. I also modified the nose gear so there is only attachment on one side.

Enough talk, it´s not much to see, but here it is...








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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 28, 2005 9:18 PM
Definitely the shape of the future! Thumbs Up [tup] Nice build, Johan! Even if it's really inaccurate, it still looks like an aircraft of some type! Tongue [:P]
Cheers,
John
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Posted by Gilmund on Friday, July 29, 2005 12:01 AM
Thanks for the kind words John!

Well, I signed up on this GB with an F-177, but since I´m still waiting for my PE-set to arrive, I starded on an X-32 and YF-23 (both Italeri 1:72). I hope this is OK with you guys...

The X-32 is coming along just fine, basicly no modifications at all. So far I have:
Painted and installed the cocpit, assembeled and painted the exhaust, painted the wheels, gear struts, gear doors and gear bays. I´ve installed lead nose weight. The intake is tricky, but I´ve sanded and primed it. It needs only a little smoothing and paint and then I can close the fuselage.

The YF-23 is coming along nice aswell, and since I´m parallell building with the X-32 I´m finished with the cocpit, gears, doors and bays.

After I painted the insides and lips of the intakes I realised that they had to be modified. You can see in the pic where I´ve cut the plastic. the intakes has been smoothed and repainted.

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Posted by Gilmund on Friday, July 29, 2005 12:46 AM
Continued...

I´ve cut of all moving parts from the YF-23 and will position them slightly dropped.

The exhaust was a bit of a challange. The YF-23 has what I guess is some sort of heat absorbing and/or resistant plates on the walls of the exhaust. The plates varies slightly in color and it looks kind of like the bottom of the space shuttle (check out theese pix).





I thought it would look cool to do something like that, so I decided to give it a shot.
First of all, the walls of the exhaust are not very deep, and they don´t touch the floor either. I had to extend them with sheet styrene both inwards and down.



This progress required constant dry fitting. When all four walls was extendend and smooth, I painted it with Moded Master Metalizer exhaust. This would be the first of four different shades in the pattern.

With the first shade painted and dry, I mesured the size of the exhaust "triangle" and looked at several reference photos and drew a scale drawing of the pattern. I then numbered the squares from 1-4 at random. I did the drawing on a large post-it, so the glue strip covers the entire triangle



I then placed a second glue strip under the one with the drawing and then cut out the #2 squares. I then got a template of all the #2 squares



This was repeated for the other numbers and them mirrored for the right side walls. I ended up with 6 different templates.

With the teplate I could paint the first shade. To make it appear more random without cutting more templates, I used different numbered templates for different walls but the same shade (Metalizer gun metal was used with template #2 on wall #1 but with template #3 on wall #2 and so on)



Here´s the second shade painted



And here´s the finihed result. It´s a bit shiny, but I think it will look better after a coat of clear flat. This took many hours to do, and the result isn´t exactly what I hoped for. But it looks somewhat interesting atleast...





Thanks for reading this long story /Johan
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Posted by adrake2 on Saturday, August 20, 2005 7:00 AM
Johan,
I disagree, it looks beautiful. I applaud your attention to detail and it's the interesting tid-bits that make models shine. Thanks for the pics and best of luck in continuing with the work.
-Aaron
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 20, 2005 11:52 AM
Caine - Excellent 117 looks great.
John - That B-2 is great. The sheer size is a definite crowd pleaser at shows or in your house. Do you have room for it? hehe. Now that Iv'e seen yours that is now on my todo list.
Johan - Most excellent work on your X-35 and YF-23. Thanks for explaining your "checker" procedure.

Here is some progress on my 1/72 Horten 229A. The kit came only with a seat and that was it. The rest of the pit is plastic and brass scraps, probably not accurate but looks ok I guess. The landing gear is on and the belly is painted. I added some ribs to the gear bay doors. 4 things left todo: (1) paint the wells, (2) put the gear bay doors on, (3) canopy, (4) brown and green leopard camo. I'll post more when finished.

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Posted by Gilmund on Saturday, September 3, 2005 7:24 PM
Thanks guys, I've made some progress and I'll give you an update soon.

Darwin - I don't know if you read this thread anymore but if you do I forgot to tell you that I really liked your SR-71C. What exactly is the "Hangar Queen Dress"?

Best /Johan
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Posted by Gilmund on Friday, September 9, 2005 5:05 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by johnforster
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Please don't let the thread die out again! Spam it up!
Cheers,
John


I'm trying not to... Guys, where are you, show me what you gotBig Smile [:D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, October 29, 2005 11:45 AM
Bump

Ok Im pretty much done with my Horten 229. Didn't turn out exactly as planned but that's ok. Camo was done with liquid mask. I lost the decals so they were done with stencils. I lost the antannae too, doh!!! Still needs some work done on the intakes.


EDIT: here is a pic of the belly. Nothing special. Some ribbing added to the gear doors. Had to sand the right tire to get it to sit level.
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