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Posted by Gilmund on Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:14 AM
Caine - Your F-117 looks great, but like you said, it could be just a little darker. But even if don´t make it darker I think that´s fine. Pictures show that some a/c are not quite so dark.

I-beam - that is a very cool-looking plane, looking forward to see the finished thing.

AH1Wsnake - the intakes on the F-22 is a killer. I did like you use sheet styrene. I cut one wall for each intake and placed them next to each other, in the middle. I then bended them outwards about where the center missile bay begins. I then added a ceiling in each intake, I had to file it down alot to make it fit to the lower forward fusealage part. Now when you look in, you don´t see a wall at the end because of the bended styrene. you just see the the side walls and then just darkness.

And Darwin - thanks for your inside info, it´s sooooo cool that you´ve worked with these thinges.

And you other guys - you´re not forgotten, keep it up!

I haven´t got so far on my F-117, I´ve gluded som parts together and cleaned up some other parts. My X-35 is nearly finished. I got the first coat of paint on it and I´m just going to do some touch-ups and then do the rest

That´s all for now /Johan
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Posted by Trigger on Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:20 AM
Johan

Do you have any pix of your Raptor's intakes that you can share? AH1W and I are going to have the same problem with that area of the kit.

TIA
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Posted by yardbird78 on Saturday, March 19, 2005 4:05 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by johnforster

Question: yardbird78, what were you actually allowed to tell your family about where you worked? From what I've heard, the secrecy level was pretty intense.
Also, what was your actual position/appointment? Thanks for the pics.Cheers,John


John My time in the program was at the beginning when security was indeed extremely tight. We were allowed to tell our families that we worked with the SR-71 and what our basic job was, but nothing else. We were required to keep a bag packed at work with uniforms, personal items, etc. We could go in to work on a given day and be doing our normal stuff when the boss comes in, points his finger at certain people and says, "Come with me." We would drop whatever we were doing, grab our mobility bag, get on a bus over to the flight line, get on a KC-135 and depart. No communication of any kind with anyone. Someone at the squadron would call the wives and tell them their husbands had just been deployed. Unknown as to where or for how long. Some of these were just a test and lasted only 1 or 2 days. Some were the real thing and lasted up to 6 months. Excuses such as family birthdays, anniversaries, graduations, vacations, etc were considered irrelevant and made no difference.
Examples of security:
1. If we were off base in the civilian community, we were not allowed to bring up the subject of the SR-71. If someone else brought it up, we were supposed to change the subject. If they persisted, we were required to report them to securtiy and the FBI would investigate. They made it plain to the individuals concerned that discussing the subject was unacceptable and doing so could bring federal criminal charges.
2. One of my first security briefings stated that the fact that the SR-71 was air-refuelable was TOP SECRET. This was pretty stupid because nobody in their right mind in those days made a combat air craft that was not. Common sense and logic were secondary to saying absolutely NOTHING about the program.
3. I was very active in radio control model flying at the time and I had a small camera mounted inside one of my planes. We flew off of an old abandoned parking lot about 5 miles from the flight line. I showed a spectator one day what I had and he reported me to security as taking unauthorized photos of the SR-71. I was called into the Wing Commander's office the next day and had to explain that it was impossible to fly the RC models that far away. It was suggested fairly stongly that I discontinue taking aerial photos anywhere on base.

I was assigned to the 9th Recon Tech Squadron, a subordinate unit of the 9th Strat Recon Wing. My job title was, Imagery Analysis Technician That covered the obvious of analyzing any visual, infra-red or radar imagery from the bird and also included mission planning.
The mission planning involved a lot of detailed computations as to precisely where it would fly, start and end turn points, start and end refueling tracks, start end acceleration and deceleration points, when the sensors turned on and off , where they were pointed, fuel consumption, electronic defensive equipment operaton, etc. It involved at LOT of work and required several people several days to plan a complete misson. Sometimes we could cheat and used certain segments from other "canned" missions and just piece them together. There was a sign in the area that read, "You have never been lost until you have been lost at Mach 3 ! That was a good reference as to how accurate the mission planning had to be. A very small mistake in numbers could lead to very large problems in a hurry at that speed.

AH1Wsnake I don't know about the Coast Guard motto, but the words "SEMPER PARATUS were on the original wing shield. I have seen some in later years that had, "9th Strat Recon Wing" on the bottom.

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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Saturday, March 19, 2005 4:51 PM
Question [?]
I was wondering if I could get in on this build as well? Next on my bench is a 1/144th Su-37 Berkut from Revell-Germany. I know that this is not a true "stealth" aircraft but it is about as stealthy as russian aircraft come. I was thinking about loosing the boring black paint scheme and perhaps using the hi-vis scheme that their Su-27 demo team has.

Thanks

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Posted by Gilmund on Saturday, March 19, 2005 6:28 PM
Trigger 74, I have no "in-progress" pictures of the intakes (I really gotta get one of those digicams, but you heard about my J.O.B.) and now the fuselage is closed up. I´ll try to take som pics of the intakes from the outside at my fathers house and maybe do a drawing or something to explain it better. It has to wait atleast a coupple of days though. I´ll try to fix it.

Keep it up /Johan
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Posted by Trigger on Sunday, March 20, 2005 5:53 AM
Johan

No problem. Finished pix will work. This is my second Raptor, so I know what OOB looks like; I can extrapolate from there.
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Posted by AH1Wsnake on Sunday, March 20, 2005 1:12 PM
http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/articles/military_photos_200481023.asp
Found a link to some very good action shots of the F-22. Go to the bottom of the page and there are links to 6 more photos. Nothing too up-close, but can still give some good references and inspiration for anyone else building the Raptor. The metal-finish birds look quite interesting. I presume that they are on their pre-acceptance trial flights?
The rest of the website has a lot of great military photos in general. Maybe you can get some references or ideas for other projects.
Snake out.

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 20, 2005 5:56 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by blkhwkmatt
Su-37 Berkut from Revell-Germany. I know that this is not a true "stealth" aircraft but it is about as stealthy as russian aircraft come

Dan let me in with my Horton and that wasn't a true "stealth" ethier. Only after testing did they discover it had a reduced radar profile. The Berkut will be cool. Not up to me but I personally look forward to seeing it done.
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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Monday, March 21, 2005 4:58 AM
The Horton is a great looking aircraft that is for sure. I think that i'll build it either with the Russian Knights scheme or the new Swifts scheme ( although they are the Mig-29 demo team). That one is too good looking to pass up.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 21, 2005 10:41 AM
Hi blkhwkmatt,

Come on in. I guess the Su-37 is as close as a Russian aircraft gets!
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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Monday, March 21, 2005 3:27 PM
Dan1677,

Thanks for the welcome, Hopefully I'll be able to post some pics in a couple of weeks, right now I'm waiting on my new airbrush to get here.Big Smile [:D]
Supposedly the Berkut was to have a RCS of 0.3m if I remember my references right. Due to the general downfall of the russian aerospace industry however, it is looking like this cool jet will never see production.

Again, thanks for the welcome,
Matt

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 21, 2005 11:34 PM
AH1Wsnake, You asked about "smoking" your F-22 canopy earlier with Tamiya smoke. There is a thread in the paintbrush forum now that says this does work.
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Posted by AH1Wsnake on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:23 AM
Thanks for the update, I-beam. Actually, only about a day before the post you saw, I posted my own question about smoke paint & canopies in the Techniques forum. Got very few responses. I'll do a little experimenting with the airbrush here in a bit. Probably try to mix the smoke with future too, just to check out the dip method for my own sake. I'll post here if I discover anything interesting!

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 4:21 AM
Not much progress on my SR-71 for awhile, although I've almost finished the cockpit. However, I went to the Australian International Airshow last weekend and saw the JSF! Very nice, I must say. Can't wait for a kit!!!
Cheers,
John
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 26, 2005 7:06 PM
OK I guess I should say something.
The cockpit is complete and installed in the fuselage and the fuselage halves have been joined. Tail fins are on, nose wheel gear and doors, outer main gear doors are on and the main landing gear is painted and ready to install. One problem: I've lost the clear parts, all the canopy bits!! Sad [:(] Now I'll have to hunt around in my room for them. However, I'll press on. I've also put on the first coat of paint, Tamiya acryllic XF-69 NATO Black. This is a great colour because it's not quite black.
How are everyone else's builds going?
Happy Easter!
John
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Posted by Gilmund on Monday, March 28, 2005 6:12 PM
Hey, guess what! My father is giving me a digital cameraBig Smile [:D], so now I can start take part in these forums a little more. I get it later this week and then I will post pictures of the intakes of my F-22 (as trgger asked for) and some of my X-35!
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 5:22 AM
Great news, there, Johan!! Now we'll see your build once finished!
Cheers,
John
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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 12:47 PM
I have the main body of my small su-47 together, the main, forward swept wings and the horizontal stabilizers, intake ducts and nose on. For now the canards are left off to help rid the plane of seams when i fill and sand it. I think that i might paint the aircraft in what i would call a service camo scheme based on the one su-37 demo plane (tail # 711) instead of the straight black scheme. Hopefully i'll have it ready to paint in a few more days. I had forgotten how much fun 1/144 scale can be when the kit is a good one.

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Posted by overkillphil on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 5:57 PM
Moved my work bench a couple of weeks ago and in moving it ten feet I lost the Canopy and the instructions. I swear this kit doesn't want to get built. (I had to withdraw this kit from the last stealth gb for various reasons) Well, it's gotta be around somewhere...
my favorite headache/current project: 1/48 Panda F-35 "I love the fact that dumb people don't know who they are. I hope I'm not one of them" -Scott Adams
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Posted by yardbird78 on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 10:49 PM
o.k.p.
Just don't find it with your foot by stepping on it. That tends to create negative affects.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:44 AM
Yes, indeed. I'm still watching my every step in my room at the moment, as I also managed to lose my clear sprue.
Cheers,
John
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Posted by overkillphil on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:02 PM
Well, not all hope is lost, I did find the instructions today.
my favorite headache/current project: 1/48 Panda F-35 "I love the fact that dumb people don't know who they are. I hope I'm not one of them" -Scott Adams
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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Sunday, April 3, 2005 5:52 AM
my Berkut is mostly assembled, now working on the pain scheme, so I hope to be done with it in the next couple of weeks!!

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 3, 2005 7:53 AM
Any pics yet, Matt?
Cheers,
John
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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Sunday, April 3, 2005 7:59 AM
John,

No pics yet, i admit i have been remiss in that department!! Guess that i have been busy taking pics of my son's wrestling tourneys!!! WIll try to post some this evening!

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur!!! - Anything said in Latin sounds profound!

 

 

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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Sunday, April 3, 2005 3:19 PM
here are the first pics of my Berkut - I abandoned the all black scheme of the demo bird in favor of a psudo-operational camo scheme. My first hought was to d othe digital looking scheme that the su-37 tail#711 had, but changed my mind. Also this is the first trials of my new badger 150 airbrush with the med size needle.

top view


bottom view


another top view


love to hear what you guys think bout this one.

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Posted by Gilmund on Sunday, April 3, 2005 4:11 PM
Matt, your berkut is looking really nice, it´s a very good cammo pattern that you came up with.
I got my camera now, so I wil post some pics tomorrow.

cheers /Johan
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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Monday, April 4, 2005 7:35 AM
I actually added a third shade to the pattern so will have to post some new pics soon. It will probably be finished before the new pics get posted though!!! Gotta love 1/144 scale!!!!!!

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur!!! - Anything said in Latin sounds profound!

 

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 4, 2005 8:11 AM
Looking really good, Matt!
Keep us posted!
Not much to report on the SR-71 Blackbird, because my Dad is rebuilding my wooden window frame. As a result there is dust, woodchips, sawdust and who-knows-what-else on my floor and modelling desk at the moment. I'm hoping he finishes soon. In the meantime, I may transfer my center of operations to another room.
Cheers,
John
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Posted by Gilmund on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 1:48 AM
Phil, have you found the canopy yet?
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