Moto GP group build '05

Hi Guys!
Dis some real progress on my builds today. Most of the engine parts is in place, all that's left is to wire it up with some cables.

Screw up the lower cowl of the Kanemoto NSR and have to strip it. The paint came out really uneven and flat. Tried some polishing and another coat but then it turned out too dark... Best to redo it.

I'll go about painting the swing arm tomorrow. I hate it when you must insert the shock before you glue the swing together, leaves so ugly glue marks. I'll try to insert it, glue, sand+putty, sand again and paint it. Will have to cover the shock up in some way though...

/Joel

Hi guys,
        Long time ,no see :-).just s quick update on my progress have been a bit busy last 4-5 weeks at work,Work in a bakery and Xmas time is always busy for us, + they start a new line of bread up which  added an extra 6hrs to the day starting to get a bit worn out.
 Have to redo cowling on kr500 as after painting it had a look at it yesterday and has big runs through it so will have to be done again.
Have also got 1/9 moto gp desmo half made up ,an R1 superbike nearly fin,a Protar 1/9 (metal frame)1988 yamaha yzr500 started,started Tamyia's duke last week have only glued cowling together,
have still got to decal the M1 from start of last year (when did that come out?)+ started my foggy figure that i've had sitting around for last couple of years.
Beteer go now as I am now late for work ,oh well my just give up this job and have a rest for a couple of months

SeaBee:    I'm beginning to think the orange peel effect comes from the atmosphere ie if it's too warm or humid. I've just finished spraying up a Subie in white for Panizzi's '99 Monte car & it came out thus. Not the worst orange peel I've seen, but an orange nevertheless. It's been stinking hot here + high humidity, so maybe that was the cause.

                  Re: Rossi in Gauloises leathers driving a Marlboro sponsored car - I think both brands are Philip Morris products, so that would be entirely do-able.

                  Sorry to hear the bad news.

Does anyone know if there any decals around to do Rossi's flower power Mugello NSR. I think it was '01? Or what about one of his 250 rides?

The one he so gloriously put down on the warmup-lap...?

Shaun, all I could find was that it seems Renaissance will do a transkit (not just decals) for it. Seems not to be available yet.

Interesting comment about the heat - it was quite hot (but dry and very windy) here. Might have had an effect for sure.

At this stage I am highly disgusted. Bordering on being PO'ed. Really. I've heard great things of the Humbrol metalized paint. Recently only got a chance to buy it. The one great one was the metallic alum, paints as expected. But the metallic black was disgusting - thick and could not get it to mix for the life of me, paints on very "stripey". The yesterday eve I tried metallic steel on the exhausts, thought it's be a good idea for a base layer, seeing that my light gunmetal TS was a gonner. It resembles paint, at least. But dries extremely quickly and a second brush stroke simply lifts the existing paint (where the strokes overlap). Should these things just be airbrushed ? Not that I want to chase that met black through an a/b! Will try to add another layer and polish it over the weekend to see what gives.

Hi SeaBee. I have has similar problems with brush painting Humbrol Polished Steel and the Humbrol Gun Metal. They do airbrush ok but as you saw you can not paint over them as they lift and make a real mess, so I do not use them much anymore. I have used the Humbrol Metalised Black with some success but only through my airbrush. I did have to dilute the black quite a bit with enamel thinners but it sprayed on smooth enough. I have since switched to Tamiya TS Spray paints decanted into my airbrush and the final finish is much smoother and glossier.  Have a look at the two bikes below and see what you think of the different finishes.

 

The Yamaha YZR 500 was sprayed with Humbrol Metallic Black

 [http://photobucket.com/albums/d121/AndrewCollodel/th_DSC01807.jpg]

 

The Suzuki 1300 Hyabusa was sprayed with Tamiya TS from an airbrush

[http://photobucket.com/albums/d121/AndrewCollodel/th_DSC01814.jpg]

 

Andrew

Hi guysI was watching I think it was the discovery chanel on satalite the other day and there was this programme about the ultimate race car ,can't remeber was the name was,but anyway the showed how they make all of the carbon fibre bit for the F1 cars,I thought they were moulded but they actually used strips of c/f fabric a bit like duct tape then I lost it  due to atmospheric conditions.
So I'm keeping an eye out for it in case it is on again.Was just wondering if anyone else has seen somthing like it before.

Don't think rossi will b wearing the yellow of camel seeing how he be running his on sponsers this year
he do not like baccy sponsers very much,when he dos leave motogp think he might do rally instead of F1 since he has been doing itialian rally every year for last couple of years.WEven though Mclaren have got Marlboro sponership this year .
Even though saying all this I have been proved wrong before and will eat my hat if not happen (don't wear a hat).

You're right Shayne. He has openly said he prefers Rallying to F1. If I'm not mistaken, I'm pretty sure Davids Richards & Lapworth have shown some considerable interest in him, to the point of an open contract. Don't quote me though. He certainly fits the SWRT style.

True, he wears yellow anyways... But hey, personally I'd like to see hom on a bike till the end of his racing career! But he's such a talented driver that he'd do well wherever he goes, IF he goes.

Back to my exhausts. What a pleasant surprise... I buffed the paint to bring out the metal. Absolutely stunning! Some unevenness, but due to the hidden nature of the Duc exhausts, I'll just leave it for this round. Will use a/b in future... Can anybody tell me what the effect of clearcoat will be on this paint? Will it take away the "natural metal" finish or will it help to preserve it? I allready saw it does not like being touched heavily after buffing - goes dull again if you grip the one end to buff the other end (with "unprotected" fingers, that is)

Below Pictures of the completed West RC211V 2002

 

cool, though the pix are kinda small...  but from the finish, did you redo the aluminum-sim chrome plate tamiya? 

Can I just use Satin clear coat from MicroScale to dull down the finish from Tamiya's plating?  Or should I just strip the whole thing off and redo it with aluminum, Alclad or ModelMaster or baremetal foil (have that too but that's crazy talk...)?

Andrew, it looks good. Only prob is that you're linking to your thumbnail previews in photobucket, as with the previous shots as well. (Most likely you R-click -> properties...) Anyways, in photobucket, if you click on your pic, it shows the original with the correct detail underneath, one of the line including the IMG brackets. You can just copy that whole line and paste it here to make a direct link to your original picture.

Hope it help, if it added confusion (I'm good at that! ) just shout and I'll try to clarify...

The finish on the frame is TS 30 Silver Leaf sprayed through the airbrush. I tried TS17 Gloss Aluminum but I preferred the TS 30 Silver Leaf finish it seemed closer to the real bike. You could use the satin varnish but it might not look smooth enough the finish on the bikes appears to be a polished aluminum which is not always shiny but it does seem smooth. I did try this option but personally preferred the TS30 Silver Leaf finish using the TS spray through the airbrush at 18 psi and not diluted with any thinner.

SeaBee thanks for the tip hope this is better

Andrew

Ooohh, that is nice Andrew. Love the gloss finish on the black. In fact, it looks so damn good, you'd swear it was a diecast.

I agree to the reply of Shaun, lovely shine on those cowlings Andrew. What type of clear have you been using? Decal work seems absolutely flawless as well. Stunning work!

best regards

Joel

Hi Joel

The clear I use is Tamiya TS 13 Spray Paint decanted into my airbrush with a pressure of 18 psi and sprayed without dilution. However the colours underneath are also high gloss and this gives the shine some depth. I try and get the spray on wet and ususally lay down two mist coats to seal the decals and then one or two very wet coats (runs are a risk though). I also only spary on hot dry days as for some reason this give the glossest finish, not sure why but it works.

Andrew

Andrew,

Nice build.  Along with the others, let me add my admiration of that glossy black finish.  Also, you've done quite a job on the exhaust bluing, something I'm still trying to perfect.  My airbrush for some reason, does not like Tamiya's clear blue.  It always ends up splattering a bit and the whole effect is lost.  You also used clear orange to get the effect, am I right?  My builds are a bit stalled at the moment as I am trying to get my 1/1 YZF-R1 prepped for the road.  It's been in the 70's (F) here in Texas.  In January! 

Hi Yamafreak72

For the exhaust effect I first spray on clear blue sprayed followed by clear yellow on eithe side of the blue and then an overall coat of smoke to tone down the effect. The paint splatter may be that the clear blue is too thick or your air pressure is too high. Try diluting the Tamiya clear blue with a bit more thinners, I often mix as much as 70% thinners with the clear blue and then mist it on and build up the colour where I need it. Try a low pressure I work at 12 to 18 psi. Hope that helps

Andrew

Thanks Andrew,

Can I assume that good old alcohol (rubbing type, not beverage) is a decent thinner for acrylics?  That might be my problem.  Also, I thought I might post a link to some VERY interesting pics.  Opinions?  My first question is, what's Tamiya's next move?  M1-wise I mean.  2005 YZR-M1 in Laguna Seca colors?  '05 in plain old Gauloises?  Even though they're no longer the sponsor (wouldn't matter for a GOOOOOO!!!! bike I guess)?  How long until we see the '06 in Camel colors?  Meanwhile, enjoy if you haven't seen yet...

 

http://www.motogp.com/en/motogp/popup_800/popup_800_153123.htm

Hi everyone

Well I have been busy this week and have finished the swingarm assembly and put some more of the M1 together.  Heres a pic of the latest...as you can see i gave up on the decals on the tyres as i made a total pigs ear of them.....



One problem is that the front fender is so tight on the wheel that the front wheel wont move.  I cant see how i can adjust anything to sort this out.

Dave

Andrew Collodel wrote:

The finish on the frame is TS 30 Silver Leaf sprayed through the airbrush. I tried TS17 Gloss Aluminum but I preferred the TS 30 Silver Leaf finish it seemed closer to the real bike. You could use the satin varnish but it might not look smooth enough the finish on the bikes appears to be a polished aluminum which is not always shiny but it does seem smooth. I did try this option but personally preferred the TS30 Silver Leaf finish using the TS spray through the airbrush at 18 psi and not diluted with any thinner. SeaBee thanks for the tip hope this is better Andrew

How did you get the BREMBO painted into the calipers?  I have a technique, but it is pretty sloppy and requires brush painting over the airbrushed calliper.

Very nice job!

Thank you,
Erik

bigdave,

Nice job on the c/f decals!  I think that's quickly becoming my favorite aftermarket accessory. The rest of the bike looks so good, I think it's kinda a shame to leave off the Michelin decals on the tires. I have a spare set if you want them, just let me know.  They are not the blue block-style, just the plain white lettering.  They've never been easy for me to do either, I've got no tips other than to trim as close to the lettering as possible and be patient.  Maybe somebody else has a work-around? 

Hi Erik

 

For the BREMBO effect I use enamel Tamiya XF7 diluted slightly about 15% and flood in the BREMBO letters that are recessed in the caliper and then immediately after painting carefully wipe off the excess paint that may have spilled out of the recess with a moist (water) ear bud. The X32 of the caliper may get a little damaged in the ear bud stage but then I just dry brush the X32 back on again. Hope this helps

 

Andrew

Hi folks back with an update on things are going.
1/ quit work so now have a bit of time on my hands for a couple of weeks anyway till get another job .

2/ models 2004 RCV Nicky Hayden -fin
                KR500 - 80% fin
    2004 duke 50% fin
    2003 spidey M1 0%
    2003 D'Antin 60%
    2003 1/9 duke 60%
    2000 R1 superbike 60%
    1988 1/9 yzr500 10%
    2001 yzr500 0%
    2003 telefoncia Rcv 0%
I'm sure there others ,In my little holiday will get all of the ones that I have started all finished and get some pic's posted asap
Shayne
       

Progress update on MotoGp bikes so far:

West Honda 100% Complete

Fortuna Yamaha M1 2004 30% Complete

Suzuki RGV500 20% Complete

 

The Suzuki is the current project and have just finished spraying the Telefonica Blue

 

 

 

Andrew

Two computer crashes and quite a bit of modelling time later I'm back with a larger update. Most of the frame/engine parts are finished and put together with the swing and front forks. I have a bit of detailing left, I'm wiring the engines and I'm awaiting an order from detailanddesigninscale containing some clear tube for the brake fluid and tank tubes.
Together with that I'm repainting the lower cowl of the Kanemoto after the paint mishap and clear coating the other parts. All in all there aren't much more than a few percent left. Install the exhaust (wich turned out pretty good after all, phew...) and cowlings together with the handle bars and some additional wiring. Hope to be back soon.

Here are the pics.

/Joel

Looks good, Joel! I really like the c/f on the rear fenders. 

Shayne, that 2000 R1 superbike, What kit is that?  I have a 1/1 2001, and would like to do a "what if" model.  As in "what if I made it into a racer?"

Joel -those NSR's are looking dam fine.rear fenders are looking great

Yamafreak-- The R1 is the Tamyia kit,the superbike i,m doing is Tony Ree's NZ and Aussie superbike 2000-2002.In the NZ superbike class the bikes are just what you can get out of the showroom and there is not a lot of extras that is allowed on them.
I was going to do Nitro Nori's bike from last year but got that with it that i gave that idea up (coudn't get to grips with the under seat exhaust)

Finished decalling the Kanemoto bike today. Good thing I had a spare sheet cause I ruined one of the lower cowl decals when slicing it for one of the air intake. All in all both decals sheets has been really great working with and can be highly recommended. Now...where's that clear laquer...??

/Joel

I just joined the forums about a month ago, and I've only been building on and off for about a year (I have a lot to learn), but here's a few pics of my recent project.