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South Pacific Group Build 7 August 2006 to 7 August 2007

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Posted by mucker on Monday, October 9, 2006 12:31 AM

It's your call on the panel lines, but my two cents are this:

If you're going with an all black scheme, the shadows on the raised panel lines provide decent highlighting. Also. there was a technique in Finescale last year about pre-painting the airplane silver (your choice of shade) before painting it black, and then lightly rubbing the top coat (black) off of the raised panel lines. The way the author performed this it looked really nice.

Either way, I'm looking forward to your build.

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Posted by NucMedTech on Monday, October 9, 2006 12:24 PM

Thanks for the info mucker.Call me chicken but I just don't think I'm ready to try rescribing a whole plane yet. I'm planning on doing the black scheme and a similar weathering technique that I've tried before. Thanks for your help.

 

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

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Posted by mucker on Monday, October 9, 2006 1:39 PM

I'm with you. I've "re-scribed" my errors when I sand too much, but never attempted the whole plane. I look forward to your build. I've always liked the Black Widow. By the way, are you going with AM decals?

I'm holding out for the annual anticipated AM Tech release of the "new" P-61...with engraved panel lines.

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Posted by NucMedTech on Tuesday, October 10, 2006 12:36 PM

Most likely I'll use AM decals. Not to fond of the ones in the monogram kit, I would also like to find a P&R 2800 engine and try the Edwards photo etch sets. I think True Details has a wheel set for this plane too. Although this would be a large investment altogether for a $5 kit. But if I can get the money then why not?

Did not know that AM Tech was releasing a new kit. It's about time someone did, I think the P-61 is a nice looking plane. Will it be 1/48 scale or 1/72?

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

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Posted by NucMedTech on Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:49 PM

First apologies, I thought  I had the last post on that page so I did not see legends and your posts. Did not mean to ignore what you both said.

I myself don't mind raised panel lines, but one day I'm going to try rescribing just to see if I can. Zipmeister if you can find a cheap kit I recommend picking one up. This will be my second time building it (first time I was just beginning) Hope to do a better job this time around. Your tip will be very useful as I will most likely kill quite a few panel lines during the build. Thanks again for the info.

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

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Posted by mucker on Wednesday, October 11, 2006 2:28 PM

NucMedTech: Have you seen the Pyn-Up line of decals? I'm partial to "Cooper's Snooper", but there some other cool ones there too.

I'd like to "learn" how to re-scribe, too. Swanny's site is pretty good, but practice makes perfect I suppose. If I ever got good, I'd love to re-scribe a B-24 of B-29 and do it up nicely with AM parts.

 

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Posted by NucMedTech on Wednesday, October 11, 2006 4:01 PM

No I have not seen this line of decals. I am unable to find anything for the P-61 or the unit I'm looking for, the 419th NFS. If they have a web site or you know where it is that I can look at them I would appreciate your help. Right now the best that I can find for AM parts is Squadron, but their shipping is high plus I would have to pay taxes.

I'll take a look at Swanny's sight for re-scribing. BTW I've got the B-29 sitting on my shelf waiting to be built. It is a huge model, I need to get a little better at my natural metal finishes before I decide to take that one on.

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

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Posted by mucker on Wednesday, October 11, 2006 7:27 PM

You can buy Pyn-Up at various sites (Greatmodels, etc.), but www.meteorprod.com usually has the best range. I haven't checked out which squadrons the P-61 sheets are for, but I hope they have what you're looking for.

I envy you...a B-29 done in metal foil or a nice BMF finish looks awesome on display.

If Squadron shipping is high, my guess is you live outside of the States...where are you located?

 

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Posted by mucker on Wednesday, October 11, 2006 10:01 PM
NucMedTech: PM sent regarding P&W R-2800 engines.

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Posted by NucMedTech on Thursday, October 12, 2006 12:39 PM

Mucker, looked at the site you provided and it has alot of good decals. So far I only found one for the P-61 so I'll keep looking.

No, I'm here in Texas.Which means I have to pay sales tax and then S&H from squadron. Don't you think shipping is high if all your buying is a photo-etch set or two? I shop at plastic-models.com mostly and they have shipping prices at 3.99 on alot of their items. Of course they don't carry special items like resin  kits or pe stuff but for basic kits and supplies they have a good selection.

P.S. I'm kind of new to the forum, How do I look at the pm you sent?

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

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Posted by mucker on Thursday, October 12, 2006 12:46 PM
 NucMedTech wrote:

Mucker, looked at the site you provided and it has alot of good decals. So far I only found one for the P-61 so I'll keep looking.

No, I'm here in Texas.Which means I have to pay sales tax and then S&H from squadron. Don't you think shipping is high if all your buying is a photo-etch set or two? I shop at plastic-models.com mostly and they have shipping prices at 3.99 on alot of their items. Of course they don't carry special items like resin  kits or pe stuff but for basic kits and supplies they have a good selection.

P.S. I'm kind of new to the forum, How do I look at the pm you sent?

Definately...I try to bundle a few things together to justofy the S&H charges. $7 to ship PE and Decals is expensive. For decals only, there is a site with free shipping: www.twobobs.net ("Bobs" with only 1 "o")Smile [:)] They have more jet aircraft, and I am a WWII junkie, but every once in a while they have what I need.

For the PM, click on the link "Modelling Subjects" directly above the forums. From there I believe you can access Private Messages.

 

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Posted by NucMedTech on Thursday, October 12, 2006 12:53 PM
Cool, I'll take a look at twobobs and see what they have. Discovered that pms also go to my e-mail, guess I'll have to check it more often as I had another pm their that I didn't know about. I'll pm you in regards to your previous one.

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

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Posted by JoeRugby on Monday, October 16, 2006 9:09 AM
How is the progress on everyone's build?  I have hit a bit of a block...just the fiddly bits to finish now....I will hold off until I complete some of the other builds I have going...please post your progress though!
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Posted by bobbaily on Monday, October 16, 2006 9:26 AM
Progress update...or lack there of....I have gathered all the components except the decals for my Hasegawa P-38.  I'm stuck (lack of motivation) on my CBI group build with this one and the Axis Aces GBs awaiting in the wings.  Hope to get my mojo back soon.  Might even switch subjects if I can come across something less challenging than the P-38.  Maybe.

Bob

 

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Posted by NucMedTech on Monday, October 16, 2006 12:07 PM
I'm still in the process of gathering am parts (mostly getting the money for it). Trying to find a place for one stop shopping to limit S&H.

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

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Posted by gulfstreamV on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:32 AM
 JoeRugby wrote:
How is the progress on everyone's build?  I have hit a bit of a block...just the fiddly bits to finish now....I will hold off until I complete some of the other builds I have going...please post your progress though!
Sorry Joe for slackin' on this one, Been busy with the work. Hey, I might change my original aircraft idea to somethin' else. Hope thats OK. Will (tryBlack Eye [B)]) to post WIP pics soon. Thanks for hosting this, and your build looks great. Join the Santa GB and maybe he will bring you a 1/48......Smile [:)] Just kidding bro.  you got skillsCool [8D]
Stay XX Thirsty, My Fellow Modelers.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:41 AM
Im almost finished, but it has been at this stage for some time.  I need to get it finished up so I can focus on my other hobby, medieval recreation and our event is coming up in Febuary.  I need to make 6 Tudor/Elizabethan outfits by then, which is alot of work but I should have them done on time.
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Posted by Wulf on Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:09 PM

I am in the middle of a B-25 Air Apache. I'd like to join. It's an Accurate Min. 1:48 "Red Wrath".

Thanks,

Andy

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Posted by espins1 on Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:28 PM
I'm getting ready to start on my P-38F for this build.  The parts have been washed, all my reference material is in my backpack with me at the office to review on my lunch Wink [;)].  I'm in the final stretch with my Spitfire for the Battle of Britain GB then this build will be one of two main projects I'll be working on for the next month (along with the Axis Aces GB). 

Scott Espin - IPMS Reno High Rollers  Geeked My Reviews 

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Posted by JoeRugby on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 1:04 PM

Wulf

Welcome!

 

To all other participants...do not worry on changing builds, just remember to stay within the confines of the build requirements.

 

The Jug is done...all fiddly bits attached etc.  Now one problem...I have misplaced my camera.  I was out spotting deer for the coming hunting season and can not find it.  I do know I did not leave it in the woods, so I have to tear into my jeep and look through the mess...

My next build will be the Dinah recon plane.  I have the old LS kit, not a bad little deal that one...

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Posted by JerrynFrog on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 4:55 PM

Howdy Everyone.  I have a little progress to report. I've spent a fair amount of time on my plane, but just seem to accomplish little.  I re-did the silver pencil and future 'dots' on the instrument panel about 4 times and finally got a sort- of acceptable panel and after installation, the gauges hardly show up. Big Smile [:D]

The cockpit is in place and I am happy with it, considering it is my first one.  I made seatbelts out of masking tape, a techinque that was discussed in these forums.

The wing assy is installed, but I have a large gap in the lower-front to deal with..so will be sanding and puttying for awhile.

A question for you guys............There is a rather large gap at the front of the wing root (The rear area is fine). Any ideas how to fix this??  I believe it should be a panel line. I think in hindsight, I should have built up the area with some thin styrene strip and sand it down to reduce the gap prior to installation. Anyway, I may just leave it, but....any ideas how to correct it??

Here is a progess pic.....the interior green enamel was in my airbrush when I was looking at my seam filling job and I decided to shoot the top areas as an undercoat for the Tamiya acrylic brown to come later.

I'm really enjoying this group build...........is much fun to be building with others.

 

 

 

Frog flies.........................Jerry repairs                       

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Posted by mucker on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 5:52 PM

Here's a little tip for fixing those pesky gaps that I picked up from another modeler. You can also check it out at the Aircraft Resource Center under "Tools and Tips". You will find an article under the tab for "Filling" by Steve Bamford for filling gaps without sanding. It is very simple and easy to get good results. It is copyrighted, so there is no direct link.

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Posted by JerrynFrog on Thursday, October 26, 2006 7:04 AM
Mucker, Thanks for the tip. I had never visited that site before and it looks to be a very good one. Many tips and techniques to explore........forums.......group builds....lotsa good stuff.

I am going to try the technique you suggested and maybe try to rescribe the panel line where the wing and fuse join. It looks to be quite do-able to me.

Frog flies.........................Jerry repairs                       

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Posted by mucker on Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:16 AM

I tried to find the "link", but they have it protected. What I am referring to is the technique with squadron putty, nail polish remover and Q-tips. If you tape off the area around the seam, you shouldn't have any issues.

Another thing I've found is that in larger gaps, such as a wing-root, usually 2 - 3 application of putty are needed to offset any shrinkage from prior applications. The nice things is no sanding is required so you don't screw up existing lines.

Oh yeah, and great looking airplane so far. I look forward to more pictures of the progress.

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Posted by JerrynFrog on Friday, October 27, 2006 10:22 AM
I did go over the technique on filling without sanding, using putty, fingernail polish remover, and so on. Your directions were great to get there.

What I didn't explain very well....is... I think there should be a 'line' or 'seam' where the fuse meets the wing root as the kit is designed.....a thin line, not a huge gap as I had......I would fill using the above technique, then upon completion, try to scribe a fine line in the middle of the filled seam....kinda hard to explain.

But.......the gap is now not so bad.......while working on the lower area in front of the wing, sanding and so on, to improve the fit, I noticed the wing root gap was opening and closing and I realized that I did a poor job of attaching the wing assy. So, I added a little solvent cement and closed up the gap some, and it made a big improvement. The dihedral increased slightly, and I think it looks better, more accurate.

Still, after I sand off the crazed paint and look closely at the gap, I am sure I will be doing some filling, using the technique you suggested.

Frog flies.........................Jerry repairs                       

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Posted by NucMedTech on Friday, October 27, 2006 7:43 PM
Well, I started on the P-61. Soon after my xacto knife slipped and cut my finger. Nothing serious just a little cut, but a bad start on a new project. Hopefully this is not a portent of things to come. So I figure I'll stop get some rest and pick it back up tomorrow.

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

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Posted by JoeRugby on Friday, October 27, 2006 11:42 PM

Jerry,

 

the P40 is coming along nicely!

NucMed

 

If finger is your only glitch then I wish you joy on the build and all the better to get those glitches out early.

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Posted by mucker on Saturday, October 28, 2006 12:06 PM

NucMed:

I remember putting my P-61 a few years ago. If Revell could have offered the same kit in light grey plastic, it would have saved hours of time and excessive paint usage. Nonetheless it's a fun kit. I hope the finger heals soon.

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Posted by NucMedTech on Saturday, October 28, 2006 2:26 PM
Like I said nothing serious. I was tired when I started and just wasn't paying enough attention. Funny how things like to bite you at that time. Well fully rested now so I think I'll get back to work.

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

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Posted by JoeRugby on Monday, October 30, 2006 8:35 AM

I figure to post some pics his coming weekend, I have misplaced my camera and am still searching for it.

All in all I am happy with my results.  There were some fit issues that I could not completely correct but such is life and it was my first attempt at something like this.

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