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South Pacific Group Build 7 August 2006 to 7 August 2007

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Posted by espins1 on Saturday, March 24, 2007 3:54 PM
Primer helps paint adhere to plastic, photo etch and resin.  Some people like to use it, others don't.  Some paints stick better than others.  I frequently primer as I use Tamiya Acrylics almost exclusively and the primer really helps, especially with photo-etch.  Smile [:)]

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Posted by silentmodeler on Saturday, March 24, 2007 3:42 PM

 NucMedTech wrote:
Thanks for the comments Mark. Actually it was primer, acrylic aluminum, enamel gloss coat and then enamel flat black, all model master by testor. The chipping was done with tape burnished down and then quickly ripped off. Cowboy [C):-)]

whoa thats alot of layers of paint!  i never thought of using primer and enamel gloss coat. im wondering what primer is usually for?  is it same as painting the house such as primer first then coat?  but i dont quite understand primer in model world.  boy im still learning something new everyday which is great!

 

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Posted by NucMedTech on Friday, March 23, 2007 9:16 PM
Thanks for the comments Mark. Actually it was primer, acrylic aluminum, enamel gloss coat and then enamel flat black, all model master by testor. The chipping was done with tape burnished down and then quickly ripped off. Cowboy [C):-)]

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

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Posted by Mark T Gold Coast on Friday, March 23, 2007 2:02 AM

Great work on the P-61!

How did you do the chipping? Was it with tape?

Did you use acrylic over enamel?

This is one of the few that I've seen that looks very realistic.

Well done.

Mark

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Posted by NucMedTech on Thursday, March 22, 2007 8:24 PM
That's what I was thinking Silentmodeler.Cowboy [C):-)]

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

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Posted by silentmodeler on Thursday, March 22, 2007 4:42 PM

 NucMedTech wrote:
Thanks Espins1, I appreciate the comment. I have a question for everyone, if I put (or when I put) this plane onto a base or diorama should I make the base big enough to fit the wing span or is it okay to let the wings have some over hang? I'm wondering because it would be a big base if I include it all, makes for alot to fill in.Cowboy [C):-)]

 NucMedTech

I dont see any problem with the wing span hang over the base.  I have see alot of base and diorama at the model shows where the wing span is bigger than the base.  its all depend what u want it to be looked.  Smile [:)] 

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Posted by espins1 on Thursday, March 22, 2007 3:44 PM
I wouldn't sweat it Bob, especially because it is the underside.  Besides, the upper surfaces took the worst beating with all the exposure to the blistering sun etc.

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Posted by bobbaily on Thursday, March 22, 2007 1:48 PM
Thanks Stephen-I appriciate your My 2 cents [2c]...after some thought, the key here is to apply this to the "Lessons Learned" file and for the next heavily weathered plane (whatever & whenever that may be) to just remember to paint the entire plane aluminium first!

Bob

 

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Posted by NucMedTech on Thursday, March 22, 2007 12:09 PM
Bob, I understand what you mean. I'm seriously thinking about doing a better job on those back windows. Here is how I look at it, this model will be sitting on your shelf or where ever you display it, so if you are happy with the results stay with it. Now if it is something that will bother you every time you walk by it then I would fix it. Just myMy 2 cents [2c].

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

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Posted by bobbaily on Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:51 AM
Well, I've made the mistake of stopping to think...I'm happy with the weathered/chipping effect on the upper part of the Zero.  However, in my infinite wisdom, I failed to paint the undersurfaces aluminium prior to the IJN grey.  Therefore, there is/will be no chipping on the undersides.  I don't recall seeing any pictures, model or actual, of planes where the grey was chipped as badly as the upper surfaces.  Any thoughts?  I'm actually debating on spraying the underside aluminium, followed by grey and then chipping.....or just cutting my losses and moving on.

Bob

 

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Posted by bobbaily on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 7:40 PM
Stephen-you're very welcome.  btw-your P-61 is coming along very nicely.  Looking forward to more pics.

Bob

 

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Posted by NucMedTech on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 7:39 PM
Thanks Espins1, I appreciate the comment. I have a question for everyone, if I put (or when I put) this plane onto a base or diorama should I make the base big enough to fit the wing span or is it okay to let the wings have some over hang? I'm wondering because it would be a big base if I include it all, makes for alot to fill in.Cowboy [C):-)]

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

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Posted by espins1 on Monday, March 19, 2007 8:43 PM
Hey!  Your P-61 is coming along nicely NucMedTech!  I really like your paint chipping around the engine nacelles and leading edge of the wings, looks great!  Cool [8D] Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

Scott Espin - IPMS Reno High Rollers  Geeked My Reviews 

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Posted by NucMedTech on Monday, March 19, 2007 7:42 PM

Okay here is what I have so far;

The P-61 Silver WidowDunce [D)]

So it just doesn't look right. Shall we try blackBig Smile [:D]

I've started some chipping.

Still have a lot of work to do.Cowboy [C):-)]

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

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Posted by NucMedTech on Monday, March 19, 2007 11:54 AM
Well I finished priming my plane and put on the aluminum coat after that. Hopefully I can get a clear coat on tonight and start on the final color tomorrow. I learned from Bob and covered the whole plane in aluminum so I can chip where I need to. Thanks Bob!Cowboy [C):-)]

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

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Posted by bobbaily on Saturday, March 17, 2007 7:15 PM
JerrynFrog-thanks

Bob

 

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Posted by JerrynFrog on Saturday, March 17, 2007 12:41 PM

Bob- Your chipping looks really good, very convincing.Thumbs Up [tup]

Silentmodeler- Yes indeed, putty and sanding, now I understand.Smile [:)]

All- With any luck I will be applying the dark earth to the upper surfaces of my P-40 tomorrow.....we shall see.

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Posted by espins1 on Saturday, March 17, 2007 12:24 PM
It's nice to see you all soldiering on and keeping this GB going.  Eventually, I'll get caught up on my deadlines and can finish up the P-38 I started.  Whistling [:-^]

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Posted by mph34 on Saturday, March 17, 2007 10:03 AM
I have been away from this GB for awhile.  Nothing to report yet as progress due to other builds.  I have decided to make a P-38 for this one, but still need to decided on squadron to duplicate.  Have been enjoying the progress of several of the planes.  Nice work all.
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Posted by bobbaily on Friday, March 16, 2007 1:14 PM
Silentmodeler-thanks. U.S. insignias would be more difficult (unless you purchase the pre-cut stencil/masks) although I have seen articles in FSM where modelers cut the mask from frisket film (using the decal as a guide)-too much work (and chance for error) for me.  The Japanese insigna would/should just involve using my wife's circle cutter (from her photo album keeping days).

Bob

 

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Posted by NucMedTech on Friday, March 16, 2007 12:49 PM

Welcome to the GB Carlos!

Silentmodeler-

Thanks for the thumbs up. I'm still deciding if I like the way it came out.

As for the P-61 I got it primed last night and discovered I still have some filling and sanding to do. It's amazing how the gray coat shows the seams that you miss. I thought that I would be able to get away without filling and sanding again, oh well back to the putty.Cowboy [C):-)]

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

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Posted by silentmodeler on Friday, March 16, 2007 11:18 AM

NucMedTech

nice job on fixing the window Thumbs Up [tup]  i had hard time to recgonied (sp) the mistakes on the window after u repair it smiles.  cant wait to see the compete aircraft Big Smile [:D]

"Do, do not, theres no try" ~Yoda
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Posted by silentmodeler on Friday, March 16, 2007 11:16 AM

bobbaily~

outstanding job on the weathering on ur zero!  impressive  Thumbs Up [tup] cant wait to see ur chipped national insigna,  i have see some people cut off small pieces on the decals and put it on the aircraft,  some comes out good, some comes out ok ok, but i like ur idea to recreate the national insigna by hand which i never tried it before since i was not sure how to do it on the US national insigna.

Frog

err  about silly putty  i totally misunderstood ya   didnt realized silly putty is other word for blue tac   i was talking abt green/red putty where u fill up the gap then file/sand it.

"Do, do not, theres no try" ~Yoda
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Posted by bobbaily on Friday, March 16, 2007 10:38 AM

Thanks Joe-

ah, the chipped national insigna...that's a good question and I have been pondering it.  My first thought is to cut a stencil, airbrush an insigna, then chip it.  Other option is to  paint a couple of patches of silver under the kit decal, chip the decal and then fade it with pastels.  Not sure which route to take yet though...

Bob

 

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Posted by JoeRugby on Friday, March 16, 2007 8:43 AM

Carlos,

Sign - Welcome [#welcome]

 

Bob,

Nice chips!  One question, what about the National Insignia?  Should that not also be chipped up?

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Posted by bobbaily on Thursday, March 15, 2007 10:55 AM
Thanks Scott.  I am slowly learning that there are very few painting (with acrylic) mistakes/decisions that can't be corrected/changed by a rag & some Windex Wink [;)]  I'm not getting any younger and there are soooo many kits to complete & techniques to try!  Weathering is always subjective-some like it, others don't....and I can respect that.  And it's always easier to try new techniques on an inexpensive kit-the Tamiya 1/48th Zero's are an incredible value for the money...raised panel lines and all!

Bob

 

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Posted by espins1 on Thursday, March 15, 2007 10:45 AM
Nice job on the paint wear Bob, it is a very hard look to try to re-create and I haven't been brave enough to even attempt something like that.  Nicely done!  Smile [:)]

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Posted by bobbaily on Thursday, March 15, 2007 6:02 AM
Stephen & Mark-thanks.  I feel a little better about the project. I'm not really happy with Tamiya's IJN Green-a bit too dark for my liking. I had trouble getting mixing shade I liked.  Also, I wish I had coated the underside with flat aluminum prior to applying the IJN Grey so I could have done some chiping there.  Oh well, next time....

Bob

 

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Posted by Mark T Gold Coast on Thursday, March 15, 2007 2:33 AM

That looks a lot better bob.

It was looking a little sad in the first pic but that second post looks really good.

I can't wait to see how you progress.

Keep it up

Mark

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Posted by NucMedTech on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 8:17 PM

Looks much better Bob! When I think of a Japanese plane that is what comes to mind. Great job.Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]

As for myself I've put some primer on the P-61, so I'm making progress.Cowboy [C):-)]

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

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