Panzer Aces GB January 2007 to May 31, 2008

Here is a little blurb I found at http://www.achtungpanzer.com/pz4.htm

"On September 13th of 1943, seven Panthers from 1st Battalion of 2nd SS Panzer Regiment of 2nd SS Panzer Division "Das Reich", commanded by SS Hauptsturmfuehrer Holzer (turret number 101) fought with a group of some 70 Soviet T-34 tanks near Kolomak. During the 20 minutes long engagement Panthers destroyed some 28 T-34 tanks without any losses.

During the battle around Siedlce on 28/29th July of 1944, 2nd Battalion of 5th SS Panzer Regiment of 5th SS Panzer Division "Wiking", destroyed some 107 Soviet tanks (including T-34s, Shermans and Valentines), while losing 6 tanks (one PzKpfw IV and five Panthers). "

I'd be willing to bet we could find some from these engagements.  I'll see what I can dig up.  Hermisminiatures: Any ideas? 

espins1 wrote:

Gun Tech wrote:  psychoblue23 wrote: Sooo my question is... Is it not ok to have 2 guys building the same tank. AND/OR Is it ok to build a different model but same Ace... I think its OK to build the same tank if different Panzer Aces used it. As long as we don't have, I.E. 2 persons building the Withman Tiger, should be alright.    Also OK to build another tank that an Ace had, even if somebody is building a earliest one. Exactly, totally ok to build the same tank, just if possible, different panzer ace

Alrighty then I need soem help finding a Ace who used the the tank I have chosen. The links I have mention a Ace who has already been chosen.

Gun Tech wrote:

psychoblue23 wrote: Sooo my question is... Is it not ok to have 2 guys building the same tank. AND/OR Is it ok to build a different model but same Ace... I think its OK to build the same tank if different Panzer Aces used it. As long as we don't have, I.E. 2 persons building the Withman Tiger, should be alright.    Also OK to build another tank that an Ace had, even if somebody is building a earliest one.

Exactly, totally ok to build the same tank, just if possible, different panzer ace 

psychoblue23 wrote:

Sooo my question is... Is it not ok to have 2 guys building the same tank. AND/OR Is it ok to build a different model but same Ace...

I think its OK to build the same tank if different Panzer Aces used it. As long as we don't have, I.E. 2 persons building the Withman Tiger, should be alright.    Also OK to build another tank that an Ace had, even if somebody is building a earliest one.

Checking the first page of this thread it seems someone already has chosen the Panther D

Lethal19  -  Panther Ausf. D #424 St. Lo - Barkmann

Sooo my question is... Is it not ok to have 2 guys building the same tank. AND/OR Is it ok to build a different model but same Ace...

Here is some info in this link... My kit has decals for "kursk" which seems to be possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Barkmann

psychoblue23 wrote:

[ OOOOk so do to my impatience I will give this kit a try: only 1 question.. does it come with the details or decals for one of our chosen "aces"

According to one review, these are the markings in the kit, now who they'd belong to I'm not sure, perhaps Hermisminiatures will know. 

Gun Tech wrote:

That one is awesome! http://www.tiger-tank.com/secure/journal.htm It's the restauration of the Bovington Tiger

Cool, added that to the Tiger I online references. 

Thanks for all your input guys, this is great! 

the Postman wrote:

espins1, Please add Tigers at the Front by Thomas L. Jentz; Schiffer Publishing; ISBN 0-7643-0914-5 to the Tiger I and Tiger II book sections. This book contains "in action" photos of Tigers on all fronts and has quite a few of the early Porsche Turret Tiger II. There are also field maintenance photos - turret removed, rear deck removed, etc. -thePostman

Done... hmmm, that book sounds good, I think I'm going to have to pick that up! 

bufflehead wrote:

That is one Big Boy there espins 1 !!  When I was a teen I would stare at the little picture of the Jagdtiger on the side of my Tamiya boxes and marvel at what a brute it was!  In my mind it was the ULTIMATE tank!  I wanted to build one so badly but they never had one at my LHS 30 yrs ago.  I can't wait to see your reproduction!

Ya, I've always had a soft spot for the JagdTiger (and the Elefant for that matter).  I was so stoked to actually be able to go up and not only get my picture taken between the JagdTiger and JagdPanther, but to actually touch it.  The JagdTiger is monstrous!  And had to be very intimidating!

That one is awesome!

http://www.tiger-tank.com/secure/journal.htm

It's the restauration of the Bovington Tiger

espins1,

Please add Tigers at the Front by Thomas L. Jentz; Schiffer Publishing; ISBN 0-7643-0914-5 to the Tiger I and Tiger II book sections. This book contains "in action" photos of Tigers on all fronts and has quite a few of the early Porsche Turret Tiger II. There are also field maintenance photos - turret removed, rear deck removed, etc.

-thePostman

psychoblue23 wrote:

psychoblue23 wrote: Sooo after checking my inventory these are the kits Ihave availible... Tiger I Tamiya 35202 King Tiger Dragon 6189 - 6312 Tamiya 35169 Panzer Dragon 6301 Panther Dragon 6168 - 6299 Also there is the NICE Dragon 6235 kit online but after shipping it will be twice what I can pay for something in my store. Are any of the kits lsited above nice? Id rather spend 20 vs 40 bux. Thanks for the help guys, James OOOOk so do to my impatience I will give this kit a try: only 1 question.. does it come with the details or decals for one of our chosen "aces"

Oooh...Premium Edition! I don't have that kit!  Verry niiiice!

psychoblue23 wrote:

Sooo after checking my inventory these are the kits Ihave availible... Tiger I Tamiya 35202 King Tiger Dragon 6189 - 6312 Tamiya 35169 Panzer Dragon 6301 Panther Dragon 6168 - 6299 Also there is the NICE Dragon 6235 kit online but after shipping it will be twice what I can pay for something in my store. Are any of the kits lsited above nice? Id rather spend 20 vs 40 bux. Thanks for the help guys, James

OOOOk so do to my impatience I will give this kit a try:

only 1 question.. does it come with the details or decals for one of our chosen "aces"

Ok, I updated the end date to say Spring 2008, updated the roster for Comet, psychoblue23 and bufflehead.  I also added the blurb stating that you can build straight out of the box, or use any aftermarket goodies, PE, resin etc, and of course diorama's would be really cool. 

I haven't tried a diorama yet, but I think it might be fine to do a JagdTiger as seen in these photo during the surrender at Iserlohn.

Sooo after checking my inventory these are the kits Ihave availible...

Tiger I

Tamiya 35202

King Tiger

Dragon 6189 - 6312 Tamiya 35169

Panzer

Dragon 6301

Panther

Dragon 6168 - 6299

Also there is the NICE Dragon 6235 kit online but after shipping it will be twice what I can pay for something in my store. Are any of the kits lsited above nice? Id rather spend 20 vs 40 bux.

Thanks for the help guys,

James

I was having a good sortout today in my model room and found that I have 3 of Dragon's Jagdpanther's so aswell as doing the Puma I'll also be doing Harmann Bix's Jagdpanther if that's OK.

I should get started on the Jagdpanther pretty soon as I'm struggling to find a Dragon Puma at my LHS's and I dont want to do another Italeri one.

My research on Gerhard Bremer is going quiet well......I'll put a file together as soon as I have enough info and will pass it onto anyone who need's it.

Right I'm off to do some building.

Hermesminiatures wrote:

Ernst Barkmann used 4 different Panthers over the course of the war and only 1 is claimed...so if you like, you can have your pick... Panther D early (kursk) Panther G early (Ardennes) Panther G late (Berlin)

Thanks Hermesminiatures!  I couldn't decide which of these to build, but I noticed that there are no King Tiger aces represented yet so I've decided to do Leutnant Freiherr Von Rosen's Normandy King Tiger (Porsche).  Looks like he did quite a bit of damage to the Americans in July of '44.   I'm going to order "The Combat History of schwere Panzer-Abteilung 503" by Fritz Steinhardt.  Its pricey but I'm sure it will be worth it.  Do you think DMLs KT # 6312 will be the right kit for this?  I have one in my stash.

BTW, this will be the first King Tiger I will build!  Wish me luck (fingers crossed)!

Ernst Barkmann used 4 different Panthers over the course of the war and only 1 is claimed...so if you like, you can have your pick...

Panther D early (kursk)

Panther G early (Ardennes)

Panther G late (Berlin) 

bufflehead wrote:

Right On!  My first Group Build!  After reviewing the list I orginally wanted to to either Ernst Barkmann or Albert Ernst being that Ernest is my name!  However I see that those have already been picked by others so I will choose another Ace.  Unfortunately my on-hand resources are limited as I just got back into modelling a few months ago.  I foresee many trips to the LHS or Barnes & Noble!!   I don't see it in this thread but what "rules" are there?  Are aftermarket parts allowed?  How about kitbashing?  Can we build into a diorama? Anyway I hope to begin soon and contribute what I can to this GB!! Ernest

Ah, I'm glad you mentioned that.  We put this GB together so quickly I simply overlooked the other rules.  OOB, aftermarket, kit bash, diorama... it all works for me as our focus is on learning about the Panzer Aces, the history, the actions and all the other good stuff.... and to do it while doing our favorite hobby. 

I have a fitness training session with my trainer, so when I get back from that I'll include the guildlines I just mentioned on the first post. 

If you want to do Albert Ernst's JagdTiger, I'll be more than happy to build mine from another Panzer Ace..... I don't want to be too greedy since I'm also buidling his Hornisse/Nashorn. 

Thanks and welcome aboard! 

Gun Tech wrote:

espins1 wrote: I know some of us are chomping at the bit to get started, so I've changed the dates to January 2007 to January 2008.  I won't be starting mine for at least a few more weeks, as I have a couple of projects I want to finish and get off the bench.  I might have a hard time to fit in with the new deadline......       Let see what happens....

That end date, just like the pirate's code is more of a guideline.... heh heh.  Our purpose is to have fun and learn about the panzer aces and tie it into our favorite hobby, building models.  I put in the end date more so we could have a timeframe of some sort. 

Edit: Kept the original end time frame of Spring 2008

espins1 wrote:

I know some of us are chomping at the bit to get started, so I've changed the dates to January 2007 to January 2008.  I won't be starting mine for at least a few more weeks, as I have a couple of projects I want to finish and get off the bench.

I might have a hard time to fit in with the new deadline......       Let see what happens....

Right On!  My first Group Build!  After reviewing the list I orginally wanted to to either Ernst Barkmann or Albert Ernst being that Ernest is my name!  However I see that those have already been picked by others so I will choose another Ace.  Unfortunately my on-hand resources are limited as I just got back into modelling a few months ago.  I foresee many trips to the LHS or Barnes & Noble!!  

I don't see it in this thread but what "rules" are there?  Are aftermarket parts allowed?  How about kitbashing?  Can we build into a diorama?

Anyway I hope to begin soon and contribute what I can to this GB!!

Ernest

bufflehead wrote:

Can I sign up?!?  What is the criteria for joining a group build?

You bet!  Hermesminiatures and I have two posts set up at the very beginning of this thread.  The first post lists the basic rules and framework for this build, the roster of the people who have signed up, a list of recommended reading and references (including some online resources).  The 2nd post lists many of the Panzer Aces and the tanks they crewed, as well as a list of kits that are available.

Feel free to recommend books or other good online resources and I'll add them to the first page.  Let us know which tank you'd like to make and who's it was, post pics, chat, share and most of all, enjoy! 

I know some of us are chomping at the bit to get started, so I've changed the dates to January 2007 to Spring 2008.  I won't be starting mine for at least a few more weeks, as I have a couple of projects I want to finish and get off the bench. 

I'm going to build my JagdTiger first, so the search begins for some good photo's of Albert Ernst's JagdTiger. 

Build a 1/35 model of a WWII German Panzer ace's vehicle, from January 2007 to January 2008.

There's a list on the first page of about 60 aces and the vehicles they used for you to pick from. 

Then just post your pictures here as you build. 

Can I sign up?!?  What is the criteria for joining a group build?

the Postman wrote:

espins1, Add this link to the online reference section for the Tiger 1. http://www.panzerace.net/ Although the site is geared toward Michael Wittman; it lists the Order of battle for the 101st SS Panzer Battalion and the 4th and 13th companies of the LSSAH Panzer Regiment. I finally found a turret number for Karl (Rolf) Mobius.   -thePostman

you got it! 

espins1,

Add this link to the online reference section for the Tiger 1. http://www.panzerace.net/

Although the site is geared toward Michael Wittman; it lists the Order of battle for the 101st SS Panzer Battalion and the 4th and 13th companies of the LSSAH Panzer Regiment.

I finally found a turret number for Karl (Rolf) Mobius.  

-thePostman