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Posted by tempestjohnny on Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:27 PM

Just finished this AMT F7F-3 Tigercat for the Twin-engine Fighters GB.  Its not FAA but it is Naval, well actually its Marine.

I did notice that I need to touch up the sea blue on the wheels.

 

The decals are horrible in this kit.

 

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Posted by sfcmac on Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:53 PM
 Spectacular Johnny!  Looks like a rather large plane!  Very impressive build! Bow [bow]
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Posted by bondoman on Monday, August 24, 2009 12:15 AM

I've been working on the Whitley all weekend. As the more sober among you will recall, little Nam was an early member of the crew, at which point a full crew on this flight took shape. Not ready for pics yet. But in the meantime, I've been doing a lot of research on Coastal Command and such crew uni's. Here's a picture I found that just frankly puts a lump in my throat.

 

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Posted by tempestjohnny on Monday, August 24, 2009 5:32 AM
 sfcmac wrote:
 Spectacular Johnny!  Looks like a rather large plane!  Very impressive build! Bow [bow]
Thanks Aaron.  Its about the same size as a P-38.  Looks bigger because of the larger engines and a broader chord on the wing.

 

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Posted by simpilot34 on Monday, August 24, 2009 9:11 AM

Johnny that is beautiful!!! Always loved the T'Cat!! Reminds me of a Bearcat on steroids!!! Looks great!!!Thumbs Up [tup]

Bondo, that is a GREAT pic!!!! Can't wait to see pics of the Whitley!!!

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by -Neu- on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:10 AM
Ugh, time for another installment of neu's how to ruin a month of work in 20 minutes with glosscoating.

So I don't know why, but future seems to be my Achilles heel; I can't seem to ever get even a half decent job out of it. This time I tried some tips I received after my last failed attempt. 15psi, no thinning, mist spray first coat, then wait 10 minutes and do a heavy coat. Its been an hour now and, again I have bad beading and possibly some bad orange peeling going on.

So does anybody have any suggestions how to fix this now, and what to do next time? Is there something I'm doing wrong here with Future? Should I just use something else?

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Posted by Spike190 on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:07 AM
John that's a nice tigercat, looks like a powerful beast, a nice sheen on that smooth finish.

Neu I cant really offer you any tips because I dont use future myself, I read up on it and everything only to discover it was being discontinued in the UK so I never bothered seeking any out. However I can point you towards this fine article which may be of some use? http://www.swannysmodels.com/TheCompleteFuture.html
Maybe you've already seen it but it does seem to cover a lot.
Hope it helps.

Cheers...

Mike  Toast

 

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Posted by Spike190 on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:40 AM

Ok folks I've got to be off now, 10 days down in the toe of Italy await. Flying tomorrow afternoon and really looking forward to it Big Smile [:D].

Gonna miss you lot whilst I'm away (unless I can find some wifi in the middle of nowhere) but hope to see lots of lovely photos from you guys when I get back.

Happy modeling, Dinner [dinner]Make a Toast [#toast]

Arrivederci...

 

 

Mike  Toast

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:33 AM

Neu- I have had that problem with Future in the past, due to surface tension.  WHat I do to avoid it is to stir a drop of dishwashing soap into the paint cup, helps break up that tension. Thumbs Up [tup]  Also, I spray about 25 psi and mist on a coat, then a second about 10 minutes later, and a third heavier coat ten minutes after that.  HTH! Approve [^]

Mike- Have fun, is this a holiday or business trip?  At any rate, have a great time and we shall hear from you when you get back.  Feel free to post any pics (especially of Italian babes Smile [:)]) upon your return. 

Frank 

 

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Posted by sfcmac on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:11 AM

Ditto to what Frank said on the gloss coat.  Also any ammonia based cleaner like window cleaner can take off the future as well.  I would try a recoat and it may smooth out on its own. I have seen it done before in the BOB GB.

Um I am now asleep too many long work nights lately!  JUST nutts! Sleepy [|)]

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Posted by Spike190 on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:17 PM
Frank it's all just holiday and fun :-), will see what I can rustle up on the babe front although it's the good lady in charge of photography! Maybe just use my phone and get arrested!!

Cheers...

Mike  Toast

 

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:25 PM
 -Neu- wrote:
Ugh, time for another installment of neu's how to ruin a month of work in 20 minutes with glosscoating.

So I don't know why, but future seems to be my Achilles heel; I can't seem to ever get even a half decent job out of it. This time I tried some tips I received after my last failed attempt. 15psi, no thinning, mist spray first coat, then wait 10 minutes and do a heavy coat. Its been an hour now and, again I have bad beading and possibly some bad orange peeling going on.

So does anybody have any suggestions how to fix this now, and what to do next time? Is there something I'm doing wrong here with Future? Should I just use something else?

I generally use rattlecan glosscote, then dullcote. But Future is fine. I just used it on my DC-6 and I got lots of beading, which I traced to water in the line, past the water trap on the compressor. Now I make it practice to unscrew the line from the end of the brush body, with the pump going and let it blow clear before I paint. It definitely helps.
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Posted by TANGO 1 on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:31 AM

John,

fantastic work on the Tigercat, looks fantastic and well worth its place in our gallery-well done.Thumbs Up [tup]

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by TANGO 1 on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:35 AM

Bondo,

thats an incredible photo, thanks for sharing it with us all here.Approve [^]

 

Neu,

I would definately follows Franks advice, it seems to do the trick. Hope it works out for you.Thumbs Up [tup]

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by TANGO 1 on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:39 AM

Right lads!

Here is a quick sit rep from your friendly neighbourhood CAG. Pirate [oX)]Make a Toast [#toast]

I had some issues with the finish on the Hawk so I stipped some paint off and started again, here is how she is looking now........

I am going to shoot another gloss coat over her then the undercarridge and air brake will be worked on before I add the decals. 

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by simpilot34 on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:07 AM
CAG that is a fine looking finish coming together there!!!Thumbs Up [tup] Just myMy 2 cents [2c] but I would wait till after decaling to add fiddly bits! Don't have the kit so don't know if my way of thinking is correct or not. Just the thought of fiddly bits hanging out whilst I'm still handling model makes me cringe. Can't wait to see more pics!!! THis has GOT to be a seriously secret workshop to no end!!!! Even the parcels are camoflagyed!!!!Shock [:O]
Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by razordws on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:44 PM

CAG, the paint job looks amazing on that hawk.  Looks like a very deep red that one might have seen on some American muscle car back in the 70's! Tongue [:P]

John, beautiful looking Tigercat and a build that you don't see everyday! Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]

Bondo, thanks for sharing that pic.  My Uncle was a WAG towards the end of the war and though he flew mostly in a Halifax he switched over to the Lancaster right at the end as they were preparing to head over to Japan.  I always have a soft spot for those flight crew pics.

Dave

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Posted by TANGO 1 on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 4:28 PM

 simpilot34 wrote:
CAG  THis has GOT to be a seriously secret workshop to no end!!!! Even the parcels are camoflagyed!!!!Shock [:O]

You have no idea.........................Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by TANGO 1 on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 4:40 PM

Dave,

thanks mate! The red is unintentional though, its the reflection from the red blinds in the workshop, I guess the gloss has now got that mirror finish I was after! Big Smile [:D]

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by razordws on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 5:02 PM
 TANGO 1 wrote:

Dave,

thanks mate! The red is unintentional though, its the reflection from the red blinds in the workshop, I guess the gloss has now got that mirror finish I was after! Big Smile [:D]

Well that makes  more sense.  For a minute there I thought maybe it was some kind of secret stealth paint the British were developing!  Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Dave

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Posted by New Hampshire on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 5:50 PM

She is looking good CAG.  Nice and shiny and worthy of display Big Smile [:D]

Brian

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Posted by sfcmac on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:00 PM

 Most excellent work! I have been so busy at work again I haven't had much time to do much but sleep and go back to it! Boohoo [BH] I wanted to Wish the Grand Capt Bondo Happy Birthday today and hope his was a great day!  Stay outta the brigg Bill!  Make a Toast [#toast]Pirate [oX)]Happy B-Day [bday]Party [party]

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Posted by tempestjohnny on Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:41 AM
Happy B-Day [bday]Capt Bondo

 

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Posted by TANGO 1 on Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:58 AM

Happy B-Day [bday]HAPPY BIRTHDAY BONDO!Happy B-Day [bday]

 

I guess we know who's getting the round in then.............Pirate [oX)]Make a Toast [#toast]

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by New Hampshire on Saturday, August 29, 2009 10:33 AM

Happy Birthday t' ye o' King o' the Peg Legs, master o' the galley, leader o' the landing parties, swashbuckler o' the high seas! Big Smile [:D]

Brian

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Posted by bondoman on Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:59 PM

Awwhh hell thanky men! Twer a Rum thing fersher!

Twixt me best mate what lives in Dubai designin' the werls' tallest buildin drops in unannunceded like on the Monday, much rum fer all, then on the next day me parents send me their wishes foer my death, and on Wednes, the acturral date when i be popped out, there's a big lobster dinner wit' the ladies, much ale and wine. Nextish watch, a 16 hour day at the jobsight (poop deck) but there's a gallon of ale and a pastrami sammy in that mess. Friday oysters at the shore, much frivilitie wit' that sparklin' wine Aaron libb'ed from the French Brig we, um , sank. 

Presents were a B-17C for the horizental serfaces o' my B 307 build, plus Humbrol for the RA, plus payed the gas and elec...

Oh, and the misses still tolerates me.

Thing is this tho. Started the Whit which is the crew, an' if ye remember, b' corse ye don' since yer all drunk, it were Little Nam an his spittin' o'er the rail. So he needed a crew and here they are, and I love you all.

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Posted by simpilot34 on Sunday, August 30, 2009 12:13 AM

Glad to hear you had a great time for yer hatchin' day!!!!!Thumbs Up [tup] Glad ur back safe and sound!!!

The crew look very willing and able to grace the Whit's interior!!!! Great work!!!Thumbs Up [tup] Little Nam still looks green around the gills though!Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by -Neu- on Sunday, August 30, 2009 3:42 PM
Hey guys...

Sorry for my late replies, I've been a bit busy though. First off thanks to Mike/Mike Bondo and everybody else for their advice... I ended up trying Daywalker's advice with dishwasher soap... and it worked like a dream. So I've finished the body, got the decals on and completed a final glosscoat. However I lost one of the struts and had to fashion a new one. It currently looks like this;




So it turned out really really well. Like my other builds since I've joined here, I don't think it would have looked half as good without your help. I haven't added stores or the doors yet, however I'm going to wait until I get a rattlecan of semi-gloss or my next project(s) need their gloss.

On that topic I've decided to do two builds at once before I get to the Wyvern... one for the prototype build and the other for the endgame one. Rest assured that one is also very FAA friendly. ;)





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Posted by cropredy on Monday, August 31, 2009 12:17 AM

OK, Library of Congress books on Swordfish have now been read and digested.  Here's a summary:

Schofield, B. B. (Vice-Admiral) The Attack on Taranto. 1973

This is the best book on Taranto of the three 'dedicated' books, the other two being Smithers' Taranto 1940 and Lowry & Wellham The Attack on Taranto. I say 'best' advisedly as there is almost no 'new' material in this book not covered elsewhere (with the exception of a new first hand recollection by M.R. Maund, pilot of E4F).  There is a very good chapter on the subsequent bombing of the HMS Illustrious by Stukas in January.  For modelers, there is no new information and the photos have all been published elsewhere.

Hurren, B.J. The "Swordfish" Saga. 1946.

You'll be hard-pressed to find this book though it offers nothing new on the Swordfish for modelers.  As it was written immediately post-war, it still has traces of military censorship plus of course, a wee too much Swordfish hagiography.  It did have a couple of interesting photos that I include below (ones I had not seen in any other Swordfish book and I sure have read a lot of them now)

Wellham, John. With Naval Wings. 1995.

You can think of this as a companion to To War in a Stringbag by Charles Lamb.  Wellham was also a pilot at Taranto and survived the war.  This is a story of all of his wartime exploits from pre-war training to the Mediterranean to Eritrea, South Atlantic, escort carriers, adn finally the Far East. Nothing of specific interest to modeling but an entertaining and well-written account of being in the FAA.  This book is available at Amazon UK here for a reasonable price.

As neither Wellham nor Lamb ever remarked on their Taranto planes being altered with a black paint scheme as suggested by Aeromaster Decals, I remain skeptical that the Taranto planes were altered from normal camouflage for the mission. Nor do either ever mention this for other night raids such as launched over Libya in 1940/41. 

Brown, Eric (Captain). Wings of the Navy. Flying Allied Carrier Aircraft of World War II. 1980.

For modelers, this is the best of the bunch by far. Brown acted as an evaluator of aircraft used by the FAA or considered for use by the FAA during the War.  As such, he flew each of the planes listed below.  The book has a chapter on each plane and includes his personal experiences, some technical details, and (the most interesting to you guys), a two page exploded view of the plane with every bit named plus the same for the cockpit view with every bit named.  I included these for the Swordfish at the bottom of this post.

The book is mostly a collection of separately published articles from AIR International so you may already have seen these elsewhere (I had not).The book is available used from Amazon UK here.

The chapters (with equivalent drawings as posted below) are:

  • Fairey Swordfish 
  • Vought Chesapeake
  • Blackburn Skua and Roc
  • Grumman Wildcat
  • Douglas Dauntless
  • Fairey Albacore
  • Fairey Fulmar
  • Vought Corsair
  • Curtiss Helldiver
  • Fairey Barracuda
  • Hawker Sea Hurricane
  • Grumman Avenger
  • Supermarine Seafire
  • Fairey Firefly
  • Blackburn Firebrand
  • Grumman Hellcat

Here are the pictures - starting with torpedo dollies for Aaron:

Deck landing sequence taken from a wartime movie:

Exploded views of Swordfish Mk II

 

 

 

cropredy

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Posted by simpilot34 on Monday, August 31, 2009 12:19 PM

Neu, the seahawk is looking great!!!! Love those colors!!!Thumbs Up [tup]Make a Toast [#toast]

Crop,thanks for the pics!!! Wish I'd had that office one when I was building mine.Thumbs Up [tup]

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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