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Posted by mg.mikael on Tuesday, December 9, 2008 8:14 PM

I'm all for a time extension, because I'm tryin' to get this SU-76M done for this GB. But lately it seems, I just haven't had the time to work on it, even though I'm so close to finishing it. Because I'm really tryin' hard to get this build finished by the deadline, so I can earn a badge and get this build finally completed before the new year.

It's your choice for a time extension, SMJ. It would be welcome, even though I still have a goal of finishing this kit for the current deadline.

"A good plan executed now is better than a perfect plan next week." - George S. Patton

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Posted by SMJmodeler on Tuesday, December 9, 2008 10:13 AM

 bbrowniii wrote:

SMJ

Sorry to hear about your 'funk' and the troubles that have inspired it.  Hope you pull out of it soon.  As you know, we'll do whatever you need to help.

As to the extension, my build is done (minus fixing some tracks and posting pics), but I have never been a real stickler for timelines on these GBs.  It is not like the models are being submitted for a 'final grade'.  That being said, I would recommend we take a 'Pirates of the Caribean' approach to it: the deadline isn't a 'rule', it's more like a 'guideline'...

Thanks bbrowniii...Hey, I'm reading a lot!...Band of Brothers and now D-Day (good book so far...TONS of great facts!)...both by Stephen Ambrose.  So I'm at least getting some WWII education during this "funk".

I'm typically a stickler for the GB guidleines too...I just felt that this "funk", based on dupes thread was not unique...I'd just hate to let a great GB idea and badge go by the way side.   

dupes: I think you're the only other person with a completed build for this, so please give me your thoughts on extending this GB, OK?

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Posted by bbrowniii on Monday, December 8, 2008 11:10 AM
 SMJmodeler wrote:

 mg.mikael wrote:
Hey SMJ, you gonna finish that Panther A and Roman Colosseum dio before the deadline?Question [?] Haven't seen many updates lately.

The dreaded question has arrived...as I knew it would...and I regret to have to say that I will notDisapprove [V].  I made some more progress on the colosseum and it's looking good but I will not get it done or the Panther by the deadline...or any time soon for that matter.  I have had a real rough go of it here in NY...work has been VERY slow and I am in survival mode.  Model building in general has taken a back seat to other priorities.  The struggles I'm having have kinda' killed my motivation too but I'm trying to get back into the swing of things and will probably start by switching to my T34/85 for Red Storm...GB.  It's an easy build and will hopefully get me out of my "funk".

Don't sweat my 251 Stuka Zu Fuss commitment dupes, she'll get going after the T34...I'd guess February 1st-ish.

espins1: Sorry to hear you're withdrawing too.

Guys:  I don't want to undermine the efforts of those who will make the existing build deadline by extending it, but it seems there are many of us in tough prediciments which have been unforeseen...not just procrastination...which have effected our build schedules.  I think I will give the honor of the ones who will finish the vote to allow a time extension or not.  Please give me your thoughts...

SMJ

Sorry to hear about your 'funk' and the troubles that have inspired it.  Hope you pull out of it soon.  As you know, we'll do whatever you need to help.

As to the extension, my build is done (minus fixing some tracks and posting pics), but I have never been a real stickler for timelines on these GBs.  It is not like the models are being submitted for a 'final grade'.  That being said, I would recommend we take a 'Pirates of the Caribean' approach to it: the deadline isn't a 'rule', it's more like a 'guideline'...

That's just my opinion, I could be wrong...

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by SMJmodeler on Thursday, December 4, 2008 1:02 PM

 mg.mikael wrote:
Hey SMJ, you gonna finish that Panther A and Roman Colosseum dio before the deadline?Question [?] Haven't seen many updates lately.

The dreaded question has arrived...as I knew it would...and I regret to have to say that I will notDisapprove [V].  I made some more progress on the colosseum and it's looking good but I will not get it done or the Panther by the deadline...or any time soon for that matter.  I have had a real rough go of it here in NY...work has been VERY slow and I am in survival mode.  Model building in general has taken a back seat to other priorities.  The struggles I'm having have kinda' killed my motivation too but I'm trying to get back into the swing of things and will probably start by switching to my T34/85 for Red Storm...GB.  It's an easy build and will hopefully get me out of my "funk".

Don't sweat my 251 Stuka Zu Fuss commitment dupes, she'll get going after the T34...I'd guess February 1st-ish.

espins1: Sorry to hear you're withdrawing too.

Guys:  I don't want to undermine the efforts of those who will make the existing build deadline by extending it, but it seems there are many of us in tough prediciments which have been unforeseen...not just procrastination...which have effected our build schedules.  I think I will give the honor of the ones who will finish the vote to allow a time extension or not.  Please give me your thoughts...

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Posted by espins1 on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:35 AM
Hey guys, I'm going to have to withdraw from this GB as I just don't have the time.  Looking forward to seeing everyone elses complete projects!  Smile [:)]

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Posted by dupes on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 8:50 AM
Yeah SMJ...how's the Colosseum going? Mischief [:-,]
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Posted by mg.mikael on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 8:45 PM
Hey SMJ, you gonna finish that Panther A and Roman Colosseum dio before the deadline?Question [?] Haven't seen many updates lately.

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Posted by SMJmodeler on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 12:58 PM
smokingun3: Thanks!

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Posted by smokinguns3 on Monday, December 1, 2008 2:06 PM

esci/ertl 1/35 bmp-1

 

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Posted by SMJmodeler on Monday, December 1, 2008 10:54 AM
smokinguns3: Looks like a ton of info there!  If you could just post your tank photo, kit and mfr. I'll add you to the list, you're good to go!

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Posted by mg.mikael on Saturday, November 29, 2008 3:53 PM

Thanks a million for those pics, SMJ. Gave me an idea for what the finished product should look like.Smile [:)]

By the way sent you a PM.

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Posted by smokinguns3 on Saturday, November 29, 2008 2:44 PM

Iam gona go for option 2 i havent decided as to where i supose to where i dont know where the picture was taken. heres what i found on wikapedia

Initially Soviet deployment of the 40th Army in Afghanistan began on August 7, 1978[citation needed]. The final troop withdrawal began on May 15, 1988, and ended on February 15, 1989. Due to the interminable and inconclusive nature of the war, the conflict in Afghanistan has often been referred to as the Soviet equivalent of the United States' Vietnam War.

Former USSR

The BMP-1 entered service with the Soviet Army in 1966. The world's first unit equipped with IFVs was 1st motor rifle (renamed as armoured) battalion of 339th Guard Red Banner Belostok motor rifle regiment of 120th Guard Rohachow motor rifle division (Belorussian Military District), which tested thirty Ob'yekt 765 IFVs and three experimental Ob'yekt 765 IFVs with active location system of troopers since 1965. BMP-1 IFVs from 339th motor rifle regiment successfully participated in large military exercises "Dnieper" in September 1967 where they were first seen by high rank military authorities of USSR and Warsaw Pact countries. BMP-1 IFVs were first seen by the West specialists on the 7 November 1967 military parade in Moscow when a significant amount of those vehicles already served in the mechanized units of the Soviet Army. Its appearance created a stir in the West where lightly armed APCs were still the main means of transportation and infantry support on the battlefield. The vehicles shown on that parade belonged to aforementioned 1st battalion (commander - major V. Samodelov) of 339th motor rifle regiment and represented the first serial model of BMP-1 (Ob'yekt 765Sp1) by KMZ together with the preproduction model (Ob'yekt 765) from Chelyabinsk. The parade broadcaster couldn't pronounce a name and specifications of the newest secret vehicles so he described them as "the most perfect fighting vehicles which make possible to perform fast moving infantry battles at great depth of enemy defence"[35]

In the Soviet Army, BMP-1 IFVs were typically issued to motor rifle divisions and motor rifle regiments of tank divisions where they replaced the BTR-152 APCs, BTR-50P APCs and some of the BTR-60P APCs in the front line service. In a typical Soviet motor rifle division of that time, one motor rifle regiment had BMP-1 IFVs, the other two had wheeled BTR-60 APCs. Soviet motor rifle regiment of motor rifle division consisted of three motor rifle battalions and usually had 129 BMP-1, 4 BMP-1K, 2 BMP-1KSh and 1 BRM-1K. Soviet motor rifle regiment of tank division consisted of two motor rifle battalions and one tank battalion, it usually had 81 BMP-1, 1 BMP-1K and 1 BRM-1K.[36]

There was a considerable debate among Soviet tank specialists about the utility of BMP at the time: the BMP-1 had weak armor and not very powerful armament in comparison with main battle tanks, and it was far more expensive than wheeled APCs. Because the probability of nuclear warfare decreased significantly in the beginning of 1970s, the new tactics for usage of IFVs during conventional warfare should be developed. Those tactics should take into consideration a large number of anti-tank weapons on the battlefield. It was finally decided that a BMP-1 with troopers inside could be used successfully during breakthrough operations or pursuit of retreating enemy forces. However when faced against strong enemy defense, the infantry should be dismounted and should follow 200 meters behind main battle tanks while IFVs should follow not further than 300 to 400 meters behind the infantry and support it with their firepower. After enemy anti-tank sites were neutralized, the infantry should mount the IFVs.

 

[edit] The Groups of Soviet Forces in Central and Eastern Europe

In a Soviet motor rifle division of the Central Group of Forces in Czechoslovakia (18th Guards Insterburg motor rifle division, 30th Guards Irkutsk-Pinsk motor rifle division and 48th motor rifle division), one motor rifle regiment was equipped with 31 T-72 MBTs and 130 BMP-1/2 IFVs while the other two were equipped with BTR-60PB or BTR-70 wheeled APCs instead of IFVs. Each motor rifle regiment also had 1 BRM-1 combat reconnaissance vehicle. Tank regiment of the motor rifle division had 3 BMP-1/2 IFVs in addition to its 94 T-72 MBTs. An independent tank battalion of the motor rifle division was equipped with 6 T-72 MBTs, 3 BRM-1 CRVs, 12 BRDM-2 armoured scout cars and 12 BMP-1/2 IFVs. Therefore the amount of BMP-1/2 IFVs and vehicles based on it in each aforementioned motor rifle division was 145 BMP-1/2 IFVs and 7 BRM-1 CRVs (data for 1988). A Soviet tank division of the Central Group of Forces (15th Guards Mazyr tank division, 31st Vistula tank division) consisted of two or three tank regiments (each operating 94 T-72 MBTs, 43 BMP-1/2 IFVs and 4 BRM-1 CRVs) and one motor rifle regiment (31 T-72 MBTs, 90 BMP-1/2 IFVs and 4 BRM-1 CRVs). BMP-1/2 IFVs were also used by division's reconnaissance battalion (12 BMP-1/2 IFVs in addition to 3 BRM-1 CRVs). Therefore the amount of BMP-1/2 IFVs and vehicles based on it in each aforementioned tank division was 231 BMP-1/2 IFVs and 19 BRM-1 CRVs (data for 1988).[37]

Soviet Northern Group of Forces in Poland included the following units equipped with BMP-1 IFVs and vehicles based on it (data for the end of 1990): 6th Guards doubly Red Banner Vitebsk motor rifle division stationed in Borne Sulinowo (one of its three motor rifle regiments used IFVs while the other two used APCs - 139 BMP-1, 5 BMP-1KSh, 14 BRM-1K, 13 PRP-3, 3 PRP-4, 1 IRM) and 20th Red Banner Zvenigorod tank division stationed in Jelenia Góra (111 BMP-1, 8 BMP-1KSh, 15 BRM-1K, 12 PRP-3, 1 IRM).[38]

Soviet motor rifle divisions of South Group of Forces were represented from 1965 to the end of 1980s by 93rd Guards Kharkov motor rifle division stationed in Kecskemét, Hungary and 254th Cherkassy motor rifle division stationed in Székesfehérvár, Hungary. On 19 November 1990, 93rd Guards Kharkov motor rifle division operated 60 BMP-2, 64 BMP-1, 1 BMP-1KSh, 15 BRM-1K, 6 PRP-3 and 2 PRP-4, 42 BMPs of the division were already withdrawn to Kiev Military District in USSR that time.[39]

 

[edit] Soviet War in Afghanistan

The BMP-1 IFVs were widely used in the Soviet War in Afghanistan. Besides usual motor rifle and tank units of the 40th army (5th Guard motor rifle division, 108th motor rifle division, 201st motor rifle division and 860th independent motor rifle regiment), BMP-1 IFVs were also operated by some Soviet special force units in Afghanistan. Thus, the first company of 154th independent detachment of GRU special forces (so called "Muslim battalion" because it consisted exclusively of soldiers of Tajik, Uzbek and Turkmen nationalities to increase its ability to successfully operate in Afghanistan) was equipped with BMP-1 IFVs (1 vehicle per squad, 3 vehicles per group/platoon) while three other companies of that detachment were equipped with BTR-60PB APCs. This unit together with KGB special forces captured presidential Tajbeg Palace near Kabul on 27 December 1979.[40] This operation was codenamed Storm-333 and during it the leading Soviet BMP-1 was hit by intense fire from Afghan 12.7 mm DShK twin anti-aircraft heavy machine guns (the troopers left the damaged vehicle which was shoved off the narrow road by the next BMP-1 and continued the assault of the palace hill using scaling ladders). In 20 minutes since the beginning of the assault 9 BMP-1 IFVs of 154th independent detachment of GRU special forces reached the palace by a serpentine road and troopers transported inside the vehicles broke into the palace.[25][41] Also the 1st and 2nd companies of 177th independent detachment of GRU special forces (so called the "2nd battalion", which participated in the Soviet War in Afghanistan since the end of 1981) were equipped with BMP-1 IFVs; the 2nd company of the detachment was shortly reequipped with BTR-70 APCs instead of BMP-1 IFVs.[42] Since February 1980 the 40th army had its own special force unit - 459th independent company of special forces which consisted of four reconnaissance groups and one communications group, the company was equipped with 11 BMP-1 IFVs since December 1980.[43]

Soviet motor rifle squads got ready to mount three BMP-1 IFVs, Afghanistan, 26 August 1988.

BMP-1 IFVs weren't suited for fighting in mountain regions of hot Afghanistan as they were originally developed to be used together with main battle tanks and infantry in rapid maneuvers during an assault on flat and forest covered European theater of operations in conditions of nuclear warfare. In Afghanistan the main enemies were not AFVs but land mines and ambushes prepared by skillful Afghan Mujahideen armed with light anti-tank weapons which meant that BMP-1's anti-tank firepower was useless.

A new up-armoured variant of BMP-1, designated BMP-1D (it was also called an "Afghan" variant of BMP-1) was urgently passed into service in 1982. BMP-1D IFVs were used exclusively by Soviet assault combat battalions of 56th, 66th and 70th independent assault combat brigades in Afghanistan, also a small number of BMP-1D (together with BMP-2D) were used by composite battalion from 810th marine infantry brigade of the Black Sea Fleet during the final stage of the war.[14][44] There were also many field modifications done to BMP-1 IFVs by various units. These include welding of an additional AGS-17 "Plamya" automatic grenade launcher without its mounting on the bracket of ATGM launcher on the turret roof or 2B9 "Vasilek" 82 mm automatic gun-mortar on the roof of the troop compartment to increase the vehicle's firepower when guarding vital routes. Crew members noted that 73 mm OG-9 HE-Frag grenade for the main gun, which was supposed to increase vehicle's firepower against unarmored vehicles, infantry and firing points, had a large dispersion, insufficient point-blank range and, sometimes, unable to penetrate cob walls because of a low flight speed. PG-9 HEAT grenade was able to penetrate Afghan pise buildings through but because of the poor fragmentation effect of an anti-tank projectile only a small hole was the result of its action.[25] Based on that experience in Afghanistan, a serial BMP-1PG (Ob'yekt 765Sp8) model fitted with additional AGS-17 "Plamya" automatic grenade launcher on the left hand side of the turret roof was developed by Kurgan Engineering Works. A few BMP-1 IFVs were used in Afghanistan as support for airborne teams and were equipped with RPG-16 airborne shoulder-launched anti-tank rocket propelled grenade weapons taken from BMD-1 IFV.[15]

Many BMP-1 and BMP-1P IFVs fell victim to Mujahideen attacks and, especially, antitank landmines (see Protection Issues section for details) like quite many Soviet light AFVs sent there. A number also fell into the hands of the Afghan Mujahideen. The Soviet Army lost 1317 APCs and IFVs of all types during 9 years of war in Afghanistan.[45]

 

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Posted by SMJmodeler on Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:16 PM

smokinguns3: Never to late to join!  Read the intro to the GB and get back to me.  Based on the time left, I'll cut you some slack on the official approval before you start...we're on the HONOR system though, so be SURE you comply with one of the options, OK?!

mg.mikael: bbrowniii is right but I think some artistic license is in order.  I like to show a bit of exposed steel of the cables with a generous helping of graphite pencil where the guys would grab it and/or step on it when climbing on and moving around on the tank, and where the cable might tend to move/bounce/slide.  Then throw a few washes of rustall at those spots and let it run a bit.  Rustall is subtle and can be built-up to get a more dramatic effect...

Painting the cable is a cinch...flat black...graphite pencil highlights...a wash or two of raw umber to tone it down a bit...DONE! Here's what it looks like: (note: these "cables" were kit supplied string)

In the case of this T-55, I used some base color on the "hooks" then did the normal drybrushing...I think it came out nice:

Hope this helps! 

By the way, who is that woman in your avatar?!...WOWShock [:O]...any word on your college applications/ acceptance...shoot me a PM!

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Posted by mg.mikael on Friday, November 28, 2008 4:42 PM

 bbrowniii wrote:
I think if there is any rust, it would be pretty light.  I believe they kept those pretty cleaned and oiled to prevent failure...

Thanks for the help, bbrowniii!!Smile [:)]

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Posted by bbrowniii on Thursday, November 27, 2008 4:19 PM
I think if there is any rust, it would be pretty light.  I believe they kept those pretty cleaned and oiled to prevent failure...

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by mg.mikael on Thursday, November 27, 2008 4:14 PM

Anyone know if tow cables would be rusty, or not so much?Question [?] Any reccomendations on painting tow cables is welcome too.

Started the base color of the tow cable, steel. Refer back to my last post for a pic of cable.

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Posted by smokinguns3 on Thursday, November 27, 2008 3:43 PM
Is it to late to join? ive got an esci 1/35 scale BMP 1 soviet combat vehicle the same used to invade goergia.
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Posted by dupes on Thursday, November 27, 2008 3:27 PM

Man, you guys are the best about giving meaningful feedback. Big Smile [:D]

 bbrowniii wrote:

Dupes,

As I looked at your dio again today, the one thing I came up with, as I considered SMJ's comments, is maybe have a little... artistic license.  For example, someone asked you about tracks in the dirt and you mentioned that the pic you were using for a reference did not show any, so you thought the ground must be pretty hard packed.  The thing is, in a diorama, we have all kind of come to expect to see tracksmarks in the groundwork - so when it is not there, it looks off.  Particularly when the surface is not paved.

Another thing I thought of is that age old question: are you building a dio or a base?  You know where I am going, right?  If it is a dio, what story is it telling?  If it is a base, I'd say it is a pretty good one that could be much better by making it a little less sterile.  That's a good place for some of that license.  Some washes, maybe some more rubble, some grass sticking up around the bottoms edges of buildings and walls...  Just little stuff to add some spark...

I think you're right...perhaps I was going a bit too literally off of the pic. And I do know exactly what you mean about the "sterile". I want to spruce this guy up a bit...it's becoming more obvious to me that it's not finished. I promise I'll get to it...someday! Smile [:)]

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Posted by mg.mikael on Wednesday, November 26, 2008 9:40 PM

Alright here's those pics I'd said I'd upload.

The tracks, sag was applied as you can see, and then drybrushed with steel, I still might apply rust later:

The tow cable. The one in the box looked like a stick, not at all like a cable, so I went in my box of spares and found some tow cable from a past KV kit. Base layer of steel paint is on, and now I gotta start washes to dirty it up. Anyone know if tow cables would be rusty, or not so much?Question [?] The area I circled was where the major indentation was, however that wasn't the kit's fault, it was mine.

I'll try to get pics up of the rusted mufflers soon.

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Posted by bbrowniii on Tuesday, November 25, 2008 2:58 PM
 dupes wrote:

Hey SMJ - sorry I didn't get back to your earlier about the wee novel you took the time to post here...I'll actually have something up in the armor forum today about my current distraction.

Doesn't sound condescending whatsoever. I've really never attempted any groundwork at all, and it shows! I am happy with how some of it came out, but will definitely change some things in the future. I know exactly what both you and Boyd mean...it's very tough to accomplish, hitting a non-sterile, non-cartoonish medium. I'm going to be looking at dios with a much different eye both here on the forums and at future contests for sure - displays that I might have thought were a bit "eh" might have a lot more good qualities than I'm giving them credit for! Big Smile [:D]

Am going to want to expand on my dio repretoire for upcoming builds, so I'll be sure to give you a ring to pick your brain for more ideas and advanced techniques. Wink [;)]

 

Dupes,

As I looked at your dio again today, the one thing I came up with, as I considered SMJ's comments, is maybe have a little... artistic license.  For example, someone asked you about tracks in the dirt and you mentioned that the pic you were using for a reference did not show any, so you thought the ground must be pretty hard packed.  The thing is, in a diorama, we have all kind of come to expect to see tracksmarks in the groundwork - so when it is not there, it looks off.  Particularly when the surface is not paved.

Another thing I thought of is that age old question: are you building a dio or a base?  You know where I am going, right?  If it is a dio, what story is it telling?  If it is a base, I'd say it is a pretty good one that could be much better by making it a little less sterile.  That's a good place for some of that license.  Some washes, maybe some more rubble, some grass sticking up around the bottoms edges of buildings and walls...  Just little stuff to add some spark...

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by dupes on Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:19 AM

Hey SMJ - sorry I didn't get back to your earlier about the wee novel you took the time to post here...I'll actually have something up in the armor forum today about my current distraction.

Doesn't sound condescending whatsoever. I've really never attempted any groundwork at all, and it shows! I am happy with how some of it came out, but will definitely change some things in the future. I know exactly what both you and Boyd mean...it's very tough to accomplish, hitting a non-sterile, non-cartoonish medium. I'm going to be looking at dios with a much different eye both here on the forums and at future contests for sure - displays that I might have thought were a bit "eh" might have a lot more good qualities than I'm giving them credit for! Big Smile [:D]

Am going to want to expand on my dio repretoire for upcoming builds, so I'll be sure to give you a ring to pick your brain for more ideas and advanced techniques. Wink [;)]

 

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Posted by mg.mikael on Sunday, November 23, 2008 9:34 PM

Here's the update on my build: Tracks are finished, they have been drybrushed and attached. Finished filling in the small indentations. The mufflers have been weathered and rusted up, the wax piece I had to make, believe it or not fit perfectly. Smile [:)]

I'll get some photos up Tuesday or so. Finally gettin' alot of work done on this build.Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by SMJmodeler on Friday, November 21, 2008 10:02 AM
 dupes wrote:
...I know exactly what you mean Boyd by "sterile" - I think it needs a Biffa treatment with repeated repeated repeated washes to make it look like what it should look like. 

dupes:  This work is really a HUGE step forward for you...I hope that didn't sound condescending...didn't mean to.  What I mean is that you have been wanting to be more "gutsy" and experimental, and it shows....I am very impressed!  Not only is the tank well done, but you're getting your feet wet with some dio' work...and it is well done too!  Model building is one thing but setting it in context is another...the skills are related, but they take a different ability.  What I find hard to do is to not make the setting look "cartoon-ish"...and I think that is what boyd is trying to get across.  Our tendency is to spend big hours on the build (because we know how to do that better) and less time on the dio'...hence, it doesn't appear as complete as the model...."sterile".   

When I was in college, we would finish each semester with a presentation of our building design solution (usually on big boards, about 4' x 8') and what I was taught was to keep the presentation to the "same level of completion" at all times.  Meaning, don't render (pencils, color markers, etc) one portion of the presentation so much and take up so much time that all the other parts looked incomplete.  That way, no matter how much time was left (...it was common to underestimate the time to complete the presentation...sound familiar?), I could turn it in for grading and it would always look "complete"...make sense?

With that in mind, I see you ARE at that same level of completion...and it looks good!  I like the composition, the plaster walls, the wood wall (especially) and the work on the Sherman.  The washes I qouted you on above would help...(I picked biffa's brain awhile back and he graciouisly shared his technique.  I then used it on my T-55A...which seemed to be a forum fav' of my work.  If you decide to adds the multiple washes let me know...in fact, call me.  You will be AMAZED, how much depth it adds to the finish!)  BUT...the problem is that the tank will look so darn good that it will "pull-down" the dio' and make it stand-out more as being "incomplete"...it's the risk you take.  There are some real easy ways, with color pastels, to give that ground some texture, and you could do the same with the walls.  If I were you dupes, that's what I would do and THEN call this bad-boy done!  It sounds like you learned a lot, experimented a lot and it was a fun build!  You've earned the badge, she's a beauty!

I'll look forward to your take on this!

 

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Posted by dupes on Friday, November 21, 2008 7:46 AM

Hey, thanks for the comments you two. Yeah, it's definitely not quite where I want it to be, but I've done soooo little dio work that I'm really not sure how to get it to look the way I want it to. May end up using this as a testbed for every weathering effect I can think of (not that I haven't already - this has been very experimental).

As for the dirt, from the photo I was going off of it looked very hard packed, I didn't see any tread marks in the ground - next time I'll do some, will have to incorporate that when the groundwork is laid, as the celluclay is hard as a rock now. I know exactly what you mean Boyd by "sterile" - I think it needs a Biffa treatment with repeated repeated repeated washes to make it look like what it should look like. 

The walls, while made up of the same material (sheetrock), look differently because I tried 2 techniques - one still has the paper attached to simulate the spackle coating, while the other one I sanded it off of, and then scribed in the brickwork...will stick with the paper method in the future. Looks much better. Sadly, I have a feeling that regulation thickness sheetrock scales out much better for 1/35 scale than the 1/48 vehicle I went with here.

That's it! Will definitely keep plugging away at this one...just not sure when. Heh. Wink [;)]

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Posted by bbrowniii on Thursday, November 20, 2008 6:29 PM
 dupes wrote:

Boyd - I'm pretty sure I could hear that "AAAAAAHHHH" here in Maine...wind must be blowing the right way. Wink [;)]

ALLLLRIGHT then, finally got some pics uploaded. I believe I'm done. Did I miss anything? Improvements? Comments? Fire away!

 

Dupes,

My only critique would be that I think the ground looks a little too... sterile.  Maybe try to vary it a little with some different color washes and such, and maybe some rubble from that wall?.  Also, maybe something to indicate location?

Other than that, I think the base sets the tank off nicely.  I agree with the previous comment that your subtle weathering is really quite effective...

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by mg.mikael on Wednesday, November 19, 2008 6:05 PM
Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Love the subtle weathering on that sherman. The dio is pretty sweet too, but the walls just look a bit too white in my opinion. My only other comment/question is, shouldn't there be thread marks in the soil behing the tank? Question [?] Other then that this is one great looking sherman, your also have the first completed build for this GB, so congrats on that too.Smile [:)]

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Posted by dupes on Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:27 PM

Boyd - I'm pretty sure I could hear that "AAAAAAHHHH" here in Maine...wind must be blowing the right way. Wink [;)]

ALLLLRIGHT then, finally got some pics uploaded. I believe I'm done. Did I miss anything? Improvements? Comments? Fire away!

 

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Posted by bbrowniii on Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:06 AM
 dupes wrote:

What? I don't believe there's any forced coercion into any of the GB's posted on this fine website...Big Smile [:D]

BTW, 1,000 Roadwheels starts in January. Whistling [:-^]

 

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!!!!!!!!!!! Banged Head [banghead]Banged Head [banghead]Banged Head [banghead]

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by dupes on Wednesday, November 19, 2008 6:50 AM

What? I don't believe there's any forced coercion into any of the GB's posted on this fine website...Big Smile [:D]

BTW, 1,000 Roadwheels starts in January. Whistling [:-^]

FINALLY brought my pics with me, should have them uploaded at lunch time today. Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by bbrowniii on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:21 PM
 dupes wrote:

Swanky. Are you going to be able to wrap this puppy up in the next 6 weeks, Boyd?

Just wrote a note to myself ON MY HAND to make sure I remember to bring my Sherman pics with me tomorrow for "final review". Seriously, I'll post them! 

6 weeks??  I hope to have the Stug done this week ( I really just need to dedicate a couple hours to some paintin' and touchin' up...)  The crew... I'm really just gonna throw some paint on them (I want to follow the advice of all the sages here and begin to paint my figs with Valejo, but can't justify the cost right now, so these will be some much needed practice.  Unfortunately (apparently) I will have to rely on Tamiya acrylics for them though)...  So, yeah, I think so.  I actually have a base/dio idea for this that I will get around to IF I EVER GET A BREAK FROM ALL THE DAMN GB'S I AM FORCED Blush [:I] INTO PARITICPATING IN!!!!!

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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