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BIG CATS GROUP BUILD 2008

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:47 AM
panzer that looks real nice. How the heck do youmake a curved bend for the shovel holder?  that looks like one piece of brass.

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Posted by dupes on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 7:26 AM

Panzerguy - didn't realize you were doing DML's initial kit! Very interested to see how yours builds up...construction looks great so far. Big Smile [:D]Thumbs Up [tup] What number markings are you going with?

Those PE grill screens you have - they didn't come with the kit, did they? 

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Posted by panzerguy on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:33 AM

   

    Thanx guy's

   Wing nut, the shovel bracket came with the kit.

   Dupes The marking's will be for the 502.The screen's are from Tamiya. Finding pic's of these initial Tiger's has been a chore but I managed to find a few and one of them showed screen's on the grill's (the Gorky Tiger) and for some reason Dragon did not include these with this kit.These are the only AM piece's I've used on it.

"Happiness is a belt fed weapon"

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Posted by dupes on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:40 AM

Yeah, that's what I thought about the screens. Was wondering if mine were just missing or something. Wink [;)]

And tell me about trying to find initial pics...I have about 4 or 5 tiger ref's, including those big fat "Tigers In Combat" I + II, and I'm not finding much in there. Meh. Evil [}:)]

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Posted by wing_nut on Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:27 AM

Dunno how I missed it but moose your build is looking good.  I gotta do something that I can use PE fenders.

Did some preshading last night and managed to get the dk. yellow down this morning.  Nice learning curve in armor (well at least for an aircraft guy Confused [%-)]).  Acrylics are new to me so not used to the coverage.  The Tamiya seems to get decent coverage.  And with all the angles of all the stuff that bristles off these things, I find I am spraying from 4 or 5 angles to get everything painted. No biggie but some parts are over sprayed this with what amounts to 4 or 5 coats.  Makes having preshading show through a bit tricky.  It doesn't show in the pics very well but it is there.  That's one technique that, so far, is easier to do on a plane.  Is post shading the preferred method in armor? And I love the way the Cav zimm turned out.  Great product and easy to use.

Stupid question time.  As I was looking at it last night I realized that there is basically nothing on the rear plate... as in no exhuasts.  I thought I forgot to put them on.  Nope.  So I am assuming the 2 long grills on the rear deck are the exhausts. Correct? 

 

Marc  

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Posted by dupes on Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:32 AM

Huh. I assumed that the exhaust setup would be similar to a "standard" chassis, but I guess that Porsche didn't use the external exhausts? Confused [%-)] I'm not at home near my stash-closet so I can't run in there and check for you.

At least from my experience, pre-shading IS much more difficult on armor for exactly the reasons you stated - tough to get one consistent coat of paint down when you're trying to catch all of the different parts that are sticking out (unlike aircraft).

Looks good to me, though! Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by espins1 on Thursday, April 17, 2008 12:50 PM
Wow, there is some awesome work being done here, and of some really interesting subjects!  Nice work gentlemen!  Cool [8D]

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Posted by bufflehead on Thursday, April 17, 2008 5:05 PM

wing_nut, your Tiger (P) is coming together great!  Wish I could offer you some help with the rear plate, but you probably know more than me about these particular Tigers.  Regarding the preshading your doing;  I have tried several times to preshade on armor and have found that the shading gets lost very easily with the application of the basecoat.  I usually have to go back and post-shade to restore the shading.  

Since you have experience with preshading of aircraft, let me ask you this:  Does the primer coat (yours looks like light gray or white) make a big difference?  I once tried a light gray primer coat, preshading with black and then a light basecoat of Olive Drab (it was a Sherman!), but the OD was just too light and by the time I got the basecoat to look good the shading was gone.  On my next Sherman I'm thinking of using a sand colored primer so that the basecoat won't have to go on as heavily as the sand color would actually subtly show through, giving the OD a slightly faded look.  What are your (or anyones) thoughts on this?

Ernest

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Posted by wing_nut on Thursday, April 17, 2008 5:33 PM

Thanks Ernest

 

The tank is not primed in fact. The gray is the plastic color.  I almost never prime any of my models.  When I preshade an aircraft, I do it right over what ever the plastic color is.  This is nearly always light gray except for the Eduard kits that are kind of khaki.  Since the surface is so smooth it is really easy to control how thin the coats of paint go on and there by how much of the preshading you can see.  Like I said above… with having to hit the thing from so many angles, I really don’t it can be easily done.  I had noticed that an armor WIP is rarely preshaded. I may have just started building but I was always lurking. 

I think the next time I am going to down a base coat of the color without lightening for scale.  Then go back and randomly fill in areas with the lightened color, leaving a darker edge around panels etc.  Almost the same as I did with my a/c builds.  Preshade (some of the time), base coat, then a random/splotchy application of lightened color for a faded appearance.

The effect is subtle and less visible in the pic but you can get the idea. 

Not too sure about the sand primer though.  If the OD is thin enough to see the preshading it might also give you unwanted color shift too.

 

 

Marc  

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Posted by pordoi on Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:13 PM

Geez,

Your Tiger P is really looking sharp Wing Nut.  Panzerguy's initial Tiger is coming along nicely and Moose is making headway on his KT. 

you guys work fast... either that or you have way too much time on your hands.  Wink [;)]

I've had a few hours at the bench this week and made some progress on my Pz.Rgt 26 Panthers A and G.  Hopefully I'll have some more time early this weekend.  I'll try to take a few photos and post later.  Keep up the nice work gentlemen!

 

Don

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Posted by wing_nut on Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:40 AM
 wing_nut wrote:

I think the next time I am going to down a base coat of the color without lightening for scale.  Then go back and randomly fill in areas with the lightened color, leaving a darker edge around panels etc.  Almost the same as I did with my a/c builds.  Preshade (some of the time), base coat, then a random/splotchy application of lightened color for a faded appearance.

 

And this is the result

 

 

Marc  

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Posted by panzerguy on Sunday, April 20, 2008 11:17 AM

 

   Some more progress on the Tiger this week just need to do little more weathering and add the track's. 

      

          

        

  

"Happiness is a belt fed weapon"

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Posted by dupes on Sunday, April 20, 2008 1:26 PM
"Some progress", huh? Looks like a TON of progress to me! Dang, you're almost done! Looking really good. Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by espins1 on Sunday, April 20, 2008 1:53 PM

Nice work Wing_Nut and Panzerguy!  Great Progress! 

I'll be starting my build as soon as my Pz.Kpfw. 38(t) is finished for the Winter Warriors GB.  Whistling [:-^]

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Posted by Douglas1 on Sunday, April 20, 2008 3:13 PM
I must be living under a rock or something but I've never seen stowage bins like on on a Tiger beforeWow!! [wow]
Tamiya Jagdpanther 1/35 on the bench 80%
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Posted by espins1 on Sunday, April 20, 2008 3:35 PM

 Douglas1 wrote:
I must be living under a rock or something but I've never seen stowage bins like on on a Tiger beforeWow!! [wow]

If memory serves correctly that layout of the stowage bins on each side was only on the first Tiger deployed with the 502nd at Leningrad.

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Posted by panzerguy on Sunday, April 20, 2008 4:03 PM

 

   The first five initial production Tiger's went to the 502 and arrived with out stowage bin's these were added later in the field.All five of these Tiger's ended up breaking down, four were recoverd by the German's and one was captured by the Russian's.

"Happiness is a belt fed weapon"

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Posted by wing_nut on Sunday, April 20, 2008 6:33 PM

Your are in the home stretch panzerguy. Looks great

 

Marc  

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, April 21, 2008 5:48 AM

Camo sprayed and weathering starts tonight

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 6:19 AM
Just when things are moving along swimmingly... DISASTER STRIKES.  I dropped the tray that was holding the tracks... oh those perfectly formed tracks with exactly the right sag and dirt... slips from my greasy pawsSad [:(] and they break into... well it looked like a million peices but that's tough when there are only 218 links... but you get the idea.  I managed to jigsaw one side together with alittle fudging along the way.  And I thought those little PE hinges was tough...Shock [:O]

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Posted by dupes on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:21 AM
Hey fellas, just talked to SMJ - he's completed the move from CA to NY, doing a bunch of work on his new house...especially the new basement modeling-zone. Wink [;)] Figures he'll be back on the forums in a couple of weeks once he's got everything straightened out with that. He definitely sounds like he needs to do some scale building as opposed to just 1:1 stuff. Laugh [(-D]
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Posted by bufflehead on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 4:55 PM

 wing_nut wrote:
Just when things are moving along swimmingly... DISASTER STRIKES.  I dropped the tray that was holding the tracks... oh those perfectly formed tracks with exactly the right sag and dirt... slips from my greasy pawsSad [:(] and they break into... well it looked like a million peices but that's tough when there are only 218 links... but you get the idea.  I managed to jigsaw one side together with alittle fudging along the way.  And I thought those little PE hinges was tough...Shock [:O]

Shock [:O]OUCH!!! I feel your pain fellow treadhead!!  Same thing kind happened to me with a PZ II....Sometimes the road to great finished models is fraught with many potholes...looks like you hit a big one....Black Eye [B)]Sad [:(].  At least you're trying to fix it...mine is still sitting on the shelf, unfinished, next to a pile of rusty links!!Sigh [sigh]

Ernest

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 6:14 PM
Yeah but I though tanks were supposed to run right over potholesWink [;)]

Marc  

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Posted by panzerguy on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:35 PM

 wing_nut wrote:
Yeah but I though tanks were supposed to run right over potholesWink [;)]

     Up here in New Hampshire we got some Censored [censored] pot hole's that not even a tank would clear with out loosing a track LOL.

"Happiness is a belt fed weapon"

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Posted by dupes on Thursday, April 24, 2008 8:24 AM

Man, I hear you about the freakin' potholes. Already had to get one wheel on my bike re-trued...and it's only April. Meh. Grumpy [|(]

Guess that's what happens when your tires are 23mm wide. Sigh [sigh]

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Posted by bufflehead on Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:16 AM

Whoa!!  Sounds like you guys have anti-tank ditches in your neck of the woods!!Shock [:O]

Ernest

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Posted by dupes on Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:30 AM
Heh. I should take some pictures of a few of the particularly "notable" potholes I'm dodging on my bike (and car!) on a daily basis...Tongue [:P]
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Posted by panzerguy on Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:59 PM

 

    Here's a couple that are just at the end of my driveway and these are some of the smaller one's around here!

 

 

"Happiness is a belt fed weapon"

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Posted by corvettemike on Friday, April 25, 2008 12:05 AM
Definately count me in!!! I went out and bought the 1/35 Tamiya Panther A specifically for this one. Just waiting on some PE stuff and an aluminum barrel and I'll be set to go....

Rise my brothers we are blessed by steel in my sword I trust...

Arm yourselves the truth shall be revealed In my sword I trust...

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Posted by wing_nut on Friday, April 25, 2008 4:49 PM

I am happy to announce that I hereby claim the badge for this build.Big Smile [:D]

WOOHOO  My 1st armor GB. 

This is the DML 1/35   Sd.Kfz. 181 Panzerkampfwagen IV (P).  Built OOB except for the Cavalier zimmerit… a great product.  I tried some damaged zim too on the left side and front.   This had the tiniest PE I have ever used. 

From what I read this is the only (P) to actually see action, as a command vehicle. I am guessing that’s why the 2 antennas?

 

Marc  

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