251 Halftracks GB 1 October '08 - 8 June '09

On my /6, im doing the radio. Could anyone repost the wiring/pics info. I looked but couldnt find it. I am a clutz and more blind than i realise LOL.

...Guy

Luftwoller wrote:

On my /6, im doing the radio. Could anyone repost the wiring/pics info. I looked but couldnt find it. I am a clutz and more blind than i realise LOL.

Is this what you were looking for?  This is the diagram for the FuSpr F mounted over the co-driver seat.

http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/pit/3515/251/251-radi.htm

I've got other radio links on another computer; if you want additional info, let me know.

 Don

Thx Don. I would appreciate any extra info you have regarding wiring on the 251/6. Im pretty sure there are similar radio arrangements in the 251/3 as well. Basically, all and everything you and anyone else has would be great.

...Guy

Loads of great photos but nearly enough on the 251/6 or /3. Just waiting to get hold of the missus's boy for your errr...reading material thats not half track related if you know what i mean LOL and its in the post.

...Guy

Luftwoller wrote:

Thx Don. I would appreciate any extra info you have regarding wiring on the 251/6. Im pretty sure there are similar radio arrangements in the 251/3 as well. Basically, all and everything you and anyone else has would be great.

OK Guy, here are a few additional radio sites for you to browse...

http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/pit/3515/251/radio.htm

http://www.tarrif.net/wwii/guides/german_radio_equipment.htm

http://www.armyradio.co.uk/arsc/customer/pages.php?pageurl=/publish/Articles/William_Howard_German/German_Radios.htm

http://www.laud.no/ww2/

http://www.tigertank-h-e-181.com/21_Radio_Equipment_.htm

http://halbketten.forumotion.com/sdkfz251-mtlschutzenpanzerwagen-f8/spw-radio-connections-t248.htm

   That should keep you busy for a while.  But here's what I've determined so far, given that I'm using the Dragon /6 kit as a base to build the 251/18.  But please understand that I'm not an expert and I'm presenting you my best guesses.  The /18 was equipped with FuG5 and FuG12 radios and possibly the Fu.Spr.F over the co-driver seat.  The FuG12 is comprised of the Torn.E.b receiver and a 80W transmitter.  These units seem to be represented in the /6 kit by parts G1-4 (Torn.E.b) and parts G17,21,22 (80W trans).  Part B17 is the Fu.Spr.F.  I'm not so sure what radio is represented by kits parts G13,15,18 and G14,16,23.  My plan is to use these to model the FuG5 in the 251/18. 

    For your 251/6 build, there are more options since the /6 was equipped with a variety of radio sets.  The FuG12 is an option as described above.  Alternatively, you could model the FuG11 which had the same Torn.E.b receiver coupled to a 100W transmitter.  The 100W transmitter is represented by kit parts G5,19.  Outside of that, you have many options up to and including an enigma coder.  So it will depend on what you choose to model. 

    As for wiring, power was supplied to all units from a 12V DC source; sometime a small battery carried in an accessory box or mounted on the supporting framework of the radio.  This may be what parts F10,11 represent.  Alternatively from a larger 12V source, where I would guess that you would run the power cable under the flooring to the main battery.  The power supply runs from the battery to AC/DC converters (my guess is kit parts F12,13,14 and F15,37) and from there to the power inlets on the transmitter and receiver (see last link above).  Receiver and transmitter are connected by jumper cables (see schematic in the first link above).  Headphones, microphones and morse keys are wired as shown in the same link.

     Antenna cable runs from the transmitter through one or more relay boxes then to the base of the antennae.  There are a few kit parts added to the side walls that may represent these relay boxes; I'll have to look more carefully to see if I can identify more accurately.  The antenna wiring also depends on how you plan to model.  The /18 has just two 2 meter antennae; you have the 9m extendable option for the /6.

    Not sure what else I can say except that if I find any more useful info, I'll pass it along.

 Don

Figured i'd post something. I've been trying to find motivation to start and think it's slowly coming 'round. Box art!

Josh

Wow, thx Don. Thats some pretty comprehensive info you have there. If only there was the info that Dragon had, at hand. Then it might become a little cleareer as to what some of the doo dads are in the kit. Like you say some of the things appear to be a battery but it would be nice if they said so. Instead of expecting builders to build the stuff without realising what it actually is that they are building. It would also make it easier to guess what colour to paint the things.

Whinge, whinge, whinge LOL. Im grumpy cos i got the day off and i cant get my wireless router to work.

...Guy

Day off? You must be building like mad!

Josh - when do you think you're going to crack that /17 open?  

  Hey Dupes just wanted to let ya know I'll be starting the /22 right after Granitcon. Any chance you'll be there?

Crack the box open, already done that. First thing I do when I buy a model, lol.

As far as getting started ... AAAHHHHH!!!! I need to start, I want to start, I REALLY want to start and see it finished, I just need to get the ball rolling.

I will start soon though.

Josh

Josh - you can do it! I know you can!

Steve - I will definitely be there (although probably a bit later in the morning) - have to go to a wedding near Boston on Saturday, part of the deal with me agreeing to go to said wedding was taking a side trip to Granitecon on the way home. Trying to finish up a couple of builds I'd like to bring here in the next week.

Lufty - any progress?

Finally some progress.  Whole family is sick... or was I should say... so by the end of the day was dog (butt) tired.

Some PE stuff for the driver's area and I scratched the gear shifts and the brake levers.  the instruments are printed on paper But I wanted a glass face.  I took some thin clear sheet styrene and coated it with Future.  Then I put the instruments face down into the Future and then coated the back so it was impregnated with Future.  The white parts looks gray and wet but it dry all nice and white.

And big shout out to lewbud  THANKS DUDE for the timely warning about the front suspension.  A test fit showed he was dead on.  Setting it all in place, the locating pin is just visible in the hole that is in that raised rectacle over the suspension.  I just let it rest in place and put a few drops of Tenax in the hole and let it cure in place.  It kinda sealed the hole so it is hard to see in the pic.

Nice work Marc, Im at sort of the same stage as you really, eccept ive painted my Radio station. No wires yet though. Ill get some pics up, maybe tonight. I spent all yesty trying to sort out my wireless router. (The idea being to keep the laptop in the modelling room)

...Guy

Marc,

Glad I could help.  Are you building a C or a D model?

It's the Ausf. C Flak 38.

I think I am gonna build the gun tonight Any one got some nice detail pics of the gun?

Well, as promised heres the 1st installment. And im WIRELESS!!! WOO HOO! The chassis went together fairly easily. As has been mentioned the front suspension can be a bit tricky but if your carefull and dryfit lots, youll be sweet.

Next up was the Radio and framework. I did the radio in a slighter darkened German grey with some X-22 mixed in to give me a good hard surface for detailing and drybrushing. I then gave each radio a 'wash' to pick out the smaller details.

In the last 2 pics the radio is positioned unglued and i realise the round thingy on the bottom isnt squared as nothing is glued together. On the dash the speedo decal shifted after i left it to snuggle down. When i came back it was as you see it. Do you reckon i could lift it without damaging the sucker?

Next mission is to start the side walls. 1st job has to be removing the 'pour stub marks' and geez theres a few of them.

Luckily not all of them are deep and most can be scraped. Is it just me? or are Dragon estructions fairly vague. Add to that trying to cross reference them to the Eduard instructions. This kit is giving me a headache.

More soon.

...Guy

Ditto Lewbud - I haven't even built one of my Bronco kits yet, but the initial perusal of the instructions was..."less than inspiring".

Lufty and Wingy - NIIIICE stuff! I figured you two speedsters had to be cranking something out. That radio rack is pretty sweet, as well as those scratched shift levers.

Heres a few pics i ahve taken over the last couple of weeks. The quality isn't brilliant, my photography is something i need to work. Think i might get my self a new camera next year.

 The dragon kit with Eduard PE and Armoscale barrel.

The completed lower interior. The gun will be fitted once the exterior is completed.

I put the power cable for the radio going under and behind it. Just about ready to start painting the exterior.

Afraid the pics of the gun ain't very clear. I found this to be the most fiddly part to build, but with the Eduard PE sights and armo barrel, it looks very nice.

Sure is looking good Bish, Dupes thought i was cracking through the build. Your almost finished. Now thats fast.

...Guy

dupes wrote:

Ho ho! Looking good, Bish. Glad there was that one large-sized pic (can't believe I'm saying that) to get a good look at the detail in the driver's station. What scheme have you decided on for this guy?

I'm going with the 3 tone sceme of the 16th Pz Div in 1945. So i am thikning of masking of with our version of silly put as i believe these late schemes are hard edged.

It was hard to get some decent views of the detail that weren't blured. Think i need a decent camera, a proper set up and maybe some good soft wear. The hull is now finished and ready for paint. The tracks are built but i don't fit them till the end. The gun just needs a touch more weathering.

Luftwoller the first two weeks i was on camp so i was able to spend all my spare time building, including a whole weekend, without any distractions. But now i am back home so not sure how mutch will get done. But i have a few days back at work before i go away to really hammer it and leave me as little as possible to do when i get home in Jan.

Hello all I got my ZVEZAD kit and I must say this kit had a lot of parts much more that the Tamiya kits of the 251 type.

I like the workable track links. Now I will not have to use my othere set of hobby boss track.

Front view:

Rear view:

I see there's a full engine bay and that adds to to over all detailed look of this kit and it only cost me 17.99 down from 23 something. I will be using some PE on it but not much. I see that I have 3 ways to do here and I'll pick wich version from one of the two books I'm looking at. Book names Squadrons Signal publications: SdKfz 251 in action and Schiffers Military History books: Schutzenpanzerwagen War Horse of the Panzer Grenadiers.

I'll have new build up photos coming soon, now I'm not going to show every thing I do step by step as that take a lot of time and a lot of photos to loadup.

Alright, I have no idea what i've gotten into. Lol. So, I guess somewhere in AFV land, someone, once upon a time, decided that it would be funny to not put what colors everything is supposed to be painted. Which leaves me in a pickle because just as fast as I could glue everything together without painting it, I do not want to do that.

I am building the /17 Ausf.C if anyone wants to throw some pictures this way, specifically the interior ...

Thanks!
Josh

Are you building the AFV kit of this. Which items in particular do you mean. The main interior i believe should be Panzer Grey, even if your doing yours as one of the comoflaged versions. The seats are leather so either black of brown will do.

Cheers Winger, im with you. Anyhoos i have a questionette for all of ya. There are a couple of pieces on my build that i dont know what they are. I have an idea but your help would be great.

This 1st one, i was convincing myself that it was fuel tank.(Prt M) Then i noticed that it had a PE insert in one end and the end piece could be positioned open? It seems that its some sort of electrical device. God knows.

This second one im fairly convinced is a battery.(Prt K) The moldings appear to look battery like with 2 large terminals on it. Its probably the battery for all the radio equiptment.

Any ideas would be great.

...Guy