251 Halftracks GB 1 October '08 - 8 June '09

SMJmodeler   Here are those scans of the interior shots of the stuka.

dupes  Here is the tow pictures of the /15 that my book has.

Thanks Dupes. I have noticed they do a PE set for the E-25, which i had given up on, so i will start with that. They also do some nice looking sets for 251's which could come in handy. But i have everything for my /17, an Eduard set and an armoscale barrel, so looking forwards to getting as mutch done in Oct as i can before i go away. Could be moving house around same time but luckyly i can just take my kit to camp and do it there in peace. Will be a great GB and looking forward to learning a few tips for the future.

SMJ I don't mind forking out a bit extra for a decent product. I seen some of the reviews on the perth site and they deffinatly looked packed sets.

moose421 wrote:

SMJmodeler   if you would like, I can scan a couple more pictures of the inside of the stuka version.  Two show the  layout of the interior for storage of the rockets.  One with the rockets and one without.  Also another shot of a crewman moving a rocket out of the interior.

Please do...thanks!

Bish wrote:

How would you guys rate those voyager PE sets. I normally use Aber with Eduard as my second choice. But i just did a search and found a couple of places in the UK that sell voyager. I notice they have sets for kits i have that i haven't been able to find any AM for and woundered what they were like compared to the others

I'm no PE expert, but I got a look at a TON of the voyager offerings at the vendor table at Nationals.  They are big $$$ ($30+) but the amount of brass in the box is incredible!  If you have the tools and the patience, they seem like the obvious choice.

moose421 wrote:

dupes  One of the pictures of the /15 from the book has shows a partial shot of the interior.  The angle is from the front on the hood.  It seems that the /12  has the scissor scope, frame antenna and a fug 8 radio. Can't wait till this build kicks off.

Heh...you're telling me! Let me try and figure out which other variant(s) I'll be doing - but I have a feeling that I'd like to see that interior shot either way.

Jmart -  very cool! Glad to see this GB is helping you broaden your horizons. I have a good feeling that you won't be let down by the AFV Club kit... Don't forget when doing that Voyager PE that you don't have to use every single piece.

this is great~!

I decided to up my personal modelling "ante" and instead of building the old Tamiya 251/9 OOB, I got the AFV kit instead.... and the Voyager PE set       .. will be my first attempt at armor PE and a non-Tamiya kit. I also got the SdKfz. 251 in Action from one of Squadron's recent sales.

I may have to drop 1-2 of the GBs I signed up for, to give this one its due attention and time... :)

SMJmodeler   if you would like, I can scan a couple more pictures of the inside of the stuka version.  Two show the  layout of the interior for storage of the rockets.  One with the rockets and one without.  Also another shot of a crewman moving a rocket out of the interior.

dupes  One of the pictures of the /15 from the book has shows a partial shot of the interior.  The angle is from the front on the hood.  It seems that the /12  has the scissor scope, frame antenna and a fug 8 radio.

Can't wait till this build kicks off.

moose421 wrote:

Is that a Stuka Zu Fuss with WINTER CAMO???...that's my assigned build, yeah baby!!!

Wow, more cool scans. No shortage of interesting schemes for this one, fellas!

I'm really getting quite fired up for this one...see me building more than one for sure (obscure variant in my future). If any of you are interested in doing a /2 sometime, just go snag yourself kit 6246, the Ausf. C Rivetted version, and 6215, the Kraut mortar team.* All of the sprues in the Cyber Hobby /2 box (with the exception of the side-mounted rockets for that variant - same as 6284) are retreads from those kits. Save yourself a few bucks over the highly inflated CH price.

*Hermes was spot-on with those guys!

This is all I could find on the /11.

Sorry dupes, I was wrong on the pictures of the /14.  My book has a pic of the /12 ands two of the /15.  Might be able to do one of them.

moose421 wrote:

Sd Kfz 251/11    (gerat 911)- Mittler Fernsprechpanzerwagen, or armored telephone vehicle. Mass: 8,500 kg. Crew;5, Arnanent tow MG34 or MG42 machine guns with a reserve of 2,100 rounds. The prototype was orderd on January 15, 1942, and serial production began in August 1942 with Ausf. C chassis. The carrier was used to lay long-distance telephone line. Two versions of the vehicles were produced with cable trailers,  the Fledkabeltrager 6 (gp) or Feldkabeltrager 10 (gp).  The Sd Kfz 251/11 cable laying mast and a drum for the telephone cable coil were installed over the carrier's right front fender or in the fighting compartment.  Sd Kfz 251/11 vehicles were frequently equipped with "Enigma" coding/decoding machines. Sd Kfz 251/19 Mittlerer Fernsprechbetriebspanzerwagen (Gerat 919) is a mobile telephone communication vehicle.  It was equipped with cable laying devices, telephone switchboards and a system for assembling overhead cables.  It was used in areas of direct contact with the enemy, where laying telephone lines by a communication patrol met with serious difficulties.  Sd Kfz 251/19 carriers were build on Ausf. A_D chassis. hope this helps you a little ps1scw. Kim

Thank you, did you uncover any pics?

I don't see why not. Any evidence of any 251's with aerial recognition flags out there? Any variant?

Certainly would look cool...

WOOHOO... My /17 Flak 38 has arrived with a Lion Roar barrel.

Would it being totaly out of place to see a flag ties over the hood or something as an ID?  I picked up some really neat Archer flags too. 

Sd Kfz 251/11    (gerat 911)- Mittler Fernsprechpanzerwagen, or armored telephone vehicle. Mass: 8,500 kg. Crew;5, Arnanent tow MG34 or MG42 machine guns with a reserve of 2,100 rounds.

The prototype was orderd on January 15, 1942, and serial production began in August 1942 with Ausf. C chassis.

The carrier was used to lay long-distance telephone line. Two versions of the vehicles were produced with cable trailers,  the Fledkabeltrager 6 (gp) or Feldkabeltrager 10 (gp).  The Sd Kfz 251/11 cable laying mast and a drum for the telephone cable coil were installed over the carrier's right front fender or in the fighting compartment.  Sd Kfz 251/11 vehicles were frequently equipped with "Enigma" coding/decoding machines.

Sd Kfz 251/19 Mittlerer Fernsprechbetriebspanzerwagen (Gerat 919) is a mobile telephone communication vehicle.  It was equipped with cable laying devices, telephone switchboards and a system for assembling overhead cables.  It was used in areas of direct contact with the enemy, where laying telephone lines by a communication patrol met with serious difficulties.  Sd Kfz 251/19 carriers were build on Ausf. A_D chassis.

hope this helps you a little ps1scw.

Kim

moose421 wrote:

The nice thing about this book was that it came in both polish and english.   Funny really, with a last name such as mine, Mendrzycki, you would think I would know some.  But I don't know a word and my father only knows a couple of swear words.  But if anyone would like to know what the book says about a variant just let me know and I'll post it. The book was a good buy. I got it off ebay from aberdeen book store.

Either or both of the telephone versions would be nice to see. thanks

The nice thing about this book was that it came in both polish and english.   Funny really, with a last name such as mine, Mendrzycki, you would think I would know some.  But I don't know a word and my father only knows a couple of swear words.  But if anyone would like to know what the book says about a variant just let me know and I'll post it.

The book was a good buy. I got it off ebay from aberdeen book store.

Thanks for the scans, Moose.

 Don

I had a little look around the net and came across this site. Id say its the most comprehensive 251 website ive ever come across. Seriously not enough stuff on the /6 but some good diagrams though.

http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/pit/3515/251/#4

...Guy

Wow Moose. Great stuff there. Even a pic of my 251/6. There definately seems to be a shortage of good pics of the radio installation. Come on lads, dig deep. Im no electrician so havent a clue how to wire the swine LOL.

...Guy

Well, I finally got the scanner to work.  I should not let my father have stuff like this.  Had to buy a power cord, he didn't know were it went.  Managed to use it for part of a junk pile.  Of course it was on the bottom.  Had to reglue the glass plate back in.  Find a driver for it.

But here are some of the photos and plates that you have asked me for.

251/2 photo and plates

251/4 photo

251/6

251/7 photos

251/18 photo and plates

hope this helps some of you.  Heck even found a plate for the /23 that I am assigned.

dupes wrote:

Oh is THAT so....bringing a big suitcase again?

U betcha!!  

Oh is THAT so....bringing a big suitcase again?

dupes wrote:

Also picked up the DML /1 C Rivetted and /17 C Luftwaffe, as well as the AFV /20 Uhu - Ernest you're going to love it!

Didja already look inside the box?!?!   I haven't bought mine yet, but I've read that its a good kit!  I JUST ordered the AFV Club workable tracks to go with it since it only comes with vinyl tracks.  I'm holding off buying the kit or any other kits right now because I'll probably be going on another trip to Hong Kong/Manila in a couple of months!  There are SEVERAL AFV kits I want, including the Uhu!

Wow, Nationals was pretty awesome. I have a few nice 251 builds I grabbed pics of (will post once I get them uploaded), as well as a fresh stack of 251 kits I managed to grab at stupidly cheap prices...including a Cyber Hobby /2! So Hermes, ignore my previous requests for instruction sheet scans - I'm good now. Also picked up the DML /1 C Rivetted and /17 C Luftwaffe, as well as the AFV /20 Uhu - Ernest you're going to love it!

moose421 wrote:

dupes  This may interest you as well.  If I remember right you are doing the /2.  I has a picture of the riveted version and two color plates of the /2.  One is a c version in Stalingrad with vehicle id number and markings.  White washed as well.  The other is of the 13th panzer division during the summer of 43' again a c version.

I would very much like to see those plates - the ones with the kit are just straight dunkelgelb or straight panzer gray, and I'd prefer to do something a bit more colorful if I can.

Wow, thx Don. Theres some awesome stuff there that ive duly bookmarked. I may even order the enigma machine resin set and a map or 2 LOL.

Id love to see a pic of the radio set actually in the Half track itself. Mainly to know where the wiring goes too.

...Guy