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wbill76 wrote:

The reason to paint the exposed interior on an open-topped vehicle to match the exterior was to avoid giving away the vehicle to aerial reconnaisance or jabos...nothing like looking down and seeing a great square of white surrounded by camoflage or fields to make you a big target! The reason for a light colored interior is to make it easier for the crew to see things in minimal lighting in an enclosed space...with an open-top that reason goes away...soooo take away the original reason for doing it and combine it with the target-enhancing reason above and you've now got 2 very good reasons for NOT painting the interior on an open-top vehicle anything different from the exterior. Some vehicles like the 234/4 did go through a period where the exposed portions were only painted in primer red but they are more the exception than the rule.

Thanks for the reference, also the cool tidbit about the 234/4 I hadn't seen it like that. Not a bad question Mark!

Thanks for the info on the interior..........knew it was a silly question lol!!!!!!

Mark

the doog wrote:

MaxSheridan wrote: Doog, your work is AMAZING as usual....with a capital A-M-A-Z-I-N-G! I echo everyone elses comments on the ammo& racks.....awesome! I know next to nothing about the operations of any type of artillery, but I have a question. In a "real" hornisse, wouldn't it have been easier, possibly safer, and more efficient on the crew to have the ammo on the left side pointing forward? I mean, so they wouldn't have to flip it over in the heat of combat. I could be completely wrong, but that idea just popped into my head when I was looking at the pics.   Mark--thanks for your compliments! As far as the ammo racks, do you know that I thought the same thing? But for some weird reason, the racks on that side are reversed!? I have numerous reference shots to prove it. Actually, think of it this way--you're the crrewman, facing the left ammo bin. You have to grasp the shell, and in turning around to load it, you twist 180' to place the shell in the breech, shell-forward. On the right side, it actually seems counter-intuitive being tio-forward. I guess it has something to do with where the loader was standing?

Well, there you go......that makes perfect sense....I guess that's where the phrase "it's all in the details" comes in! I always find it amazing how engineers think of even the smallest details in their designs. Well, back to the stool in the corner for me!

MaxSheridan wrote:

Doog, your work is AMAZING as usual....with a capital A-M-A-Z-I-N-G! I echo everyone elses comments on the ammo& racks.....awesome! I know next to nothing about the operations of any type of artillery, but I have a question. In a "real" hornisse, wouldn't it have been easier, possibly safer, and more efficient on the crew to have the ammo on the left side pointing forward? I mean, so they wouldn't have to flip it over in the heat of combat. I could be completely wrong, but that idea just popped into my head when I was looking at the pics.

As far as the ammo racks, do you know that I thought the same thing? But for some weird reason, the racks on that side are reversed!? I have numerous reference shots to prove it.

Actually, think of it this way--you're the crrewman, facing the left ammo bin. You have to grasp the shell, and in turning around to load it, you twist 180' to place the shell in the breech, shell-forward. On the right side, it actually seems counter-intuitive being tio-forward. I guess it has something to do with where the loader was standing?

Doog, your work is AMAZING as usual....with a capital A-M-A-Z-I-N-G!

I echo everyone elses comments on the ammo& racks.....awesome! I know next to nothing about the operations of any type of artillery, but I have a question. In a "real" hornisse, wouldn't it have been easier, possibly safer, and more efficient on the crew to have the ammo on the left side pointing forward? I mean, so they wouldn't have to flip it over in the heat of combat. I could be completely wrong, but that idea just popped into my head when I was looking at the pics.

Mansteins revenge wrote:

Wow, doog---this build is the shit !!!  I mean and I really mean this, it could be IMO your best work I've seen !!! That shell rack and shells are awesome, so is the interior in general, and the camo is dead on...I hope you don't over-weather it...

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Don't worry, Manny!--I plan on going easy on my littte 'Nisse! It will have the standard dirty lower chassis and wheels, but it willl be relatively newer-looking! Thanks, for your enthusiatic comment! It means a lot!

Thanks, too, doc! I appreciate your kind compliments too! 

wbill76 wrote:

The reason to paint the exposed interior on an open-topped vehicle to match the exterior was to avoid giving away the vehicle to aerial reconnaisance or jabos...nothing like looking down and seeing a great square of white surrounded by camoflage or fields to make you a big target! The reason for a light colored interior is to make it easier for the crew to see things in minimal lighting in an enclosed space...with an open-top that reason goes away...soooo take away the original reason for doing it and combine it with the target-enhancing reason above and you've now got 2 very good reasons for NOT painting the interior on an open-top vehicle anything different from the exterior. Some vehicles like the 234/4 did go through a period where the exposed portions were only painted in primer red but they are more the exception than the rule.

That's too, RBaer, for the comments! 

The reason to paint the exposed interior on an open-topped vehicle to match the exterior was to avoid giving away the vehicle to aerial reconnaisance or jabos...nothing like looking down and seeing a great square of white surrounded by camoflage or fields to make you a big target!

The reason for a light colored interior is to make it easier for the crew to see things in minimal lighting in an enclosed space...with an open-top that reason goes away...soooo take away the original reason for doing it and combine it with the target-enhancing reason above and you've now got 2 very good reasons for NOT painting the interior on an open-top vehicle anything different from the exterior. Some vehicles like the 234/4 did go through a period where the exposed portions were only painted in primer red but they are more the exception than the rule.

psstoff995 wrote:

the doog wrote:  mmc wrote: Will do. This may be a silly question, but what the hell.........is the interior the same colour as the exterior? Mark Absolutely--you can use mine for a reference. Just a guess but was this done because of the fact that it was an open vehicle thus the interior needed to be just as "camouflaged" as the exterior?

WHo knows? Maybe it was just expedient to paint the whole thing in one color/

the doog wrote:

mmc wrote: Will do. This may be a silly question, but what the hell.........is the interior the same colour as the exterior? Mark Absolutely--you can use mine for a reference.

Just a guess but was this done because of the fact that it was an open vehicle thus the interior needed to be just as "camouflaged" as the exterior? I think almost every open top vehicle I've seen was like this including 234/4s, Marders, -even US Tank Destroyers and M20 Armored Cars (as opposed to the white and primer red you might find inside of an Sherman, Tiger or Panzer etc)

And thanks for those pictures, your explination makes sense but those definitly help out

mmc wrote:

the doog wrote:  mmc wrote: Fantastc build Karl. I'm doing a mini Nashorn for the 1000 Wheel GB, it's Revell's 1/72 kit, a nice and easy build, even the gun, all those small parts!!!!! Looking forward to seeing her finished, pics are bookmarked for reference Mark Hey Mark; post a picture of it here in this thread when you're done! My Horny little 'Nisse could use a Horny Nash' around for company! LOL! ............. Will do. This may be a silly question, but what the hell.........is the interior the same colour as the exterior? Mark

the doog wrote:

mmc wrote: Fantastc build Karl. I'm doing a mini Nashorn for the 1000 Wheel GB, it's Revell's 1/72 kit, a nice and easy build, even the gun, all those small parts!!!!! Looking forward to seeing her finished, pics are bookmarked for reference Mark Hey Mark; post a picture of it here in this thread when you're done! My Horny little 'Nisse could use a Horny Nash' around for company! LOL! .............

Will do. This may be a silly question, but what the hell.........is the interior the same colour as the exterior?

Mark

mmc wrote:

Fantastc build Karl. I'm doing a mini Nashorn for the 1000 Wheel GB, it's Revell's 1/72 kit, a nice and easy build, even the gun, all those small parts!!!!! Looking forward to seeing her finished, pics are bookmarked for reference Mark

psstoff995 wrote:

the doog wrote: Thanks too Huxy--that's cuz my shells aren't for sale! They come free--at 3,281 feet per second, LOL! HAHAHA Well glad to see you got them to fit right, they look great in the rack, I also like the impression of the lettering on the shells, this one's going to look real nice when finished.

I realized that I didn;t exactly clarify what I trimmed there on the PE racks--here's the photo.

Fantastc build Karl.

I'm doing a mini Nashorn for the 1000 Wheel GB, it's Revell's 1/72 kit, a nice and easy build, even the gun, all those small parts!!!!! Looking forward to seeing her finished, pics are bookmarked for reference

Mark

the doog wrote:

Thanks too Huxy--that's cuz my shells aren't for sale! They come free--at 3,281 feet per second, LOL!

HAHAHA Well glad to see you got them to fit right, they look great in the rack, I also like the impression of the lettering on the shells, this one's going to look real nice when finished.

WOW, guys--thanks for all the comments! I was out at Jenn's tonight, so I apologize for my tardiness in replying! Thanks for the kind words, jagdpanther302, and Terry; Tony and Mike. A "redleg" you say--weren't the bad guys in "Josey Wales" called "redlegs" too? Does the term go back to the Civil War in some way, Mike?!

Rick--thanks, man! When I'm doing that brush-chipping, I'm just mixing the colors together on the palette, and going for it. I'm planing to add some "layered" ones in more detail after I get the outside weathered--when I'm into "detail weathering", ya know?

Thanks, Brandon, and Marc--your first post threw me a little there, Marc! Inventive post for sure!

Thanks too, Bill! I'm almost kicking myself that I didn't try the masking method for the wheels--I've been meaning to try that on one of these builds! Maybe on the next Pz IVD mit 7.5cm gun?

Thanks too Huxy--that's cuz my shells aren't for sale! They come free--at 3,281 feet per second, LOL!

Thanks too, Rob and Greg! The Nashorn detail's a little better than this kit, Greg--it builds up pretty nice OOB!

David--thanks too! Yeah, it definitely makes the detail painting easier! I had a real fear of kits like this until I figured how to get at all that rich detail!

Chris--the fit of the shells into the racks was a PITA! The reason some of the shells were off the resin tab was to fit them into the PE cradles before I glued the actual cradles in. There wasn't a hair's breadth to spare! It's tight, man! But I managed to squeeze 'em in there. I did have to cut about 1-2mm off of the PE tabs on the cradles which hold the shell projectiles, cuz they wouldn't fit--the bottom one would have been resting right on the bottom of therack, and that's incorrect. The racks themselves fit nicely into the body though, although the radio rack was a bit of a nuisance. Thanks for your comments!

Thanks, too, Don. I have not yet worked with the Pz Grey finish yet--I'm getting itchy for one of the weird Pz Grey panzerjaegers here though--Dicker Max, or the like...glad you  liked the "lettering"--it's about as good as my penmanship gets, LOL! By the way--you should definitely look in to getting some MIG powders, and some of their powder fixative--they are definitely the way to step up to the next level with your weathering!

Thanks too, panzerguy Steve! I'm glad to hear that my instincts on the ammo placement was correct! I was wondering if I was going to get someone telling me that I had to rip out the shells and stack them according to some obscure diagram--phew! Thanks for the comments!

Thanks too, Higgy; I appreciate the kind words!

Again, thanks again guys--your comments inspire ME to excel! Glad some of you mentioned the floor--I was worried if it "passed the test"?

Well, back to the desk before sleep catches me--I got wheels to do! (yech! LOL!)

I must say, this is some of your best work I have seen so far. The weathering on the Gun/breach and the floor is amazing! The ammo racks and shells look fantastic too.

 Keep up the good work man, its nothing short of inspiring. =)

   Man I just cant get over those ammo racks I love ‘em. And good call separating the ammo our gun chief would have drilled us a new one if we ever mixed rounds in the racks.

  Outsanding job Karl

Doog,

   Spot on with the ammo.  Italian sage; straight from Mussolini of course.    Hand painted lettering on the casings?  Also, you did a fantastic job weathering the floor.  I might have to look into the Mig filter line and give them a try on a future build.   You ever work with the blue filter over panzer gray?

 Don

I love it!!!

But not to spend 5 minutes trying to get words out of your awsomenss, I just have to correct you...

You did not add the pricetags on your shells that I see o the bottom of the shells in the reference picture!