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#3 DML Pzkpfw III Ausf N sPzAbt 501 Afrika (W.I.P.)

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  • From: Dublin Rep Of Ireland
Posted by terry35 on Wednesday, March 4, 2009 3:51 PM

Thumbs Up [tup], Schnobs, looking forward to seeing this progress. I too have the MIG book and think its just brilliant, best modelling tool I ever bought, expensive but worth it.

Good luck with your project, if its anything like your Mk.IV then you have another winner.

Regards,

Terry.

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  • From: Everett, WA
Posted by Schnobs on Wednesday, March 4, 2009 3:50 PM

 model maniac 96 wrote:
nice, lookin great so far Schnobs! can't wait to see the end result!!!


Jim

Thanks Jim!  Good to hear from you again.  This one has been slower due to work and famly committments.  I did loose my first part to the carpet monster in my case the cement monster.

I think my dog ate it! Big Smile [:D]

I am still looking I believe I can remake it easily enough.

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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Posted by model maniac 96 on Wednesday, March 4, 2009 3:05 PM
nice, lookin great so far Schnobs! can't wait to see the end result!!!


Jim
"Veni, Vidi, Vici" Julius Caesar: I came, I saw, I conquered.
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Posted by Schnobs on Tuesday, March 3, 2009 9:27 PM

 wbill76 wrote:
No problem Edmund, just wanted to be sure you weren't copying the incorrect scheme just because I'd done it that way. I'm sure it won't take you long to get comfortable with your airbrush to start doing camo schemes...most people start out the other way around and are deathly afraid of monotone schemes! Laugh [(-D]

Yes I love the challenge of making a Monotone interesting. Color modulation is a cool technique.  I did do the ring around my second base with my AB free handed and I was actualy suprised how easy it was.  I have a Badger 100LK double action with a medium tip and the learning curve was a little steep because I had never even touched an airbrush before but acrylics are forgiving. 

I liked this link and plan to use this technique on this build.

http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=2006

I also find doing road wheels very Zen and I even painted both sides of each wheel.

Also I have become very fond of MIG Productions products and Mig Jinemez techniques and style.  I have both of the Night Vision DVD's which are really excellent.  I had a little scare this afternoon when my wife asked me if I had ordered objectionable materials over the internet and handed me a brown wrapped privacy envelope about the size of a big magazine. It finally came!

I am looking forward to reading and absorbing the techniques.  Back to modeling.  Take care Bill!

 

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, March 3, 2009 5:35 PM
No problem Edmund, just wanted to be sure you weren't copying the incorrect scheme just because I'd done it that way. I'm sure it won't take you long to get comfortable with your airbrush to start doing camo schemes...most people start out the other way around and are deathly afraid of monotone schemes! Laugh [(-D]
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  • From: Everett, WA
Posted by Schnobs on Tuesday, March 3, 2009 4:53 PM

Hi Bill,

Thanks for the pics very cool!  I had to stare at them for quite awhile to pick out the two-tone Tropen scheme.  I realy like your PZ.IV F2 but if I tried that scheme right now free handed with my AB skills it would be crap shoot how it would turn out.  Sometimes my Badger feels like a magic wand and other times I feel like I am holding a telephone pole! Wink [;)]

I am getting better though.  I have Cyber-Hobby Pz.IV Ausf D "Vorpanzer that I am going to build after this with a montone Panzer Grey and then it's Cammo Time!

I have a Tamiya VI Tiiger1 that my wife gave me for Christmas that will be my first Cammo experiment.  The model itself is large enough for me to get good practice.

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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  • From: Coastal Maine
Posted by dupes on Tuesday, March 3, 2009 4:43 PM

Schnobs - looking forward to what you do with this guy. Seems like a terribly sweet kit!

Scratchmod - wow. That's pretty awesome. Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by Schnobs on Tuesday, March 3, 2009 4:40 PM
 scratchmod wrote:

Your off to a good start. I agree with the color choice. I too am going by Bill's F2 build, and will use the same colors on my F2.

The sand bag method works great, I've been doing it that way for years. I finished my N a couple of months ago with lots of sandbags.Here's how my bags came out.

The Dragon kit is awesome and I'm hooked on them.

Rob

Hi Rob,

Thanks for the pic your PZ.III looks awesome and is very close to what is in my head for mine.  I hope you haven't been peeking in there I will have to put my tinfoil hat back on.  DML kits are my only expereince so far but I am really impressed with their quality and detail.

I would really appreciate more pics of yours or if you have it posted somewhere a link. 

What colors did you use on the sandbags and what color wash?  I would guess a Tamiya Buff or lightened Khaki with a burnt umber wash or wash brown.  Also what colors did you use for chipping.  I used a Poly Scale Reefer grey on my last PZ.IV and it looked okay just maybe a little to dark.

I used to dream about girls and now I dream about DML kits!! Whistling [:-^]

 

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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Posted by Schnobs on Tuesday, March 3, 2009 4:30 PM
 wing_nut wrote:

Hey scnobs looks good so far. I missed the finally of the last IV, gotta go look for that one.  Without seeing the other color side by side that looks like a color that will work. And NO i it is not my intention to rekindlke any sort of is that the right color discussionsWink [;)]

That seems to be the standard sandbag method.  Shaoe it, texture it and add the seams

Thanks Marc,

Yes I was not intending to cause controversy I have only respect for eveyone's opinions and techniques I was just sharing mine.  I like to see all the variations on color that people come up with it is very subjective that's for sure.  I promise I will not paint any German Armor pink though I am not that much of a free spirit! Smile [:)]

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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  • From: Texas
Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, March 3, 2009 9:09 AM

Edmund,

Ought to be a great project! It's worth pointing out that the color I used for the III-N, Afrika Grunbraun, was incorrect for a N. Afrika vehicle in late '42 early '43. At the time I didn't know that and went with what I thought "looked right" vs. the box art. After I had built this one, I came across a color photo of III-Ns with sPzAbt 501 being delivered in Tunisia and realized that it should've had the two-tone Tropen scheme like what I used on my IV F2.

That photo was a poor quality reproduction on the back of a book...but I was able to find a better quality of the original:

Unfortunately Testors doesn't replicate their full range of Afrika colors in the MM Acryl line, so you would have to mix your own colors for both to try and replicate the two-tone if you wanted to go that route.

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Posted by scratchmod on Tuesday, March 3, 2009 8:17 AM

Your off to a good start. I agree with the color choice. I too am going by Bill's F2 build, and will use the same colors on my F2.

The sand bag method works great, I've been doing it that way for years. I finished my N a couple of months ago with lots of sandbags.Here's how my bags came out.

The Dragon kit is awesome and I'm hooked on them.

Rob

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, March 3, 2009 8:05 AM

Hey scnobs looks good so far. I missed the finally of the last IV, gotta go look for that one.  Without seeing the other color side by side that looks like a color that will work. And NO i it is not my intention to rekindlke any sort of is that the right color discussionsWink [;)]

That seems to be the standard sandbag method.  Shaoe it, texture it and add the seams

Marc  

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    January 2009
  • From: Everett, WA
#3 DML Pzkpfw III Ausf N sPzAbt 501 Afrika (W.I.P.)
Posted by Schnobs on Monday, March 2, 2009 11:19 PM

Hello I am back.  :)  I am hard and work on my third tank and I am going off into mostly charted waters by building a PZ.III instead of a PZ.IV like my first two.  So far I have only built DML kits and I have a strong affection for them!  Yes I said it!  I now have opinions God help us all!  Wink [;)]

Thanks again to Bill for the excellent build log and reviews which got me excited to build this particular model.  I was also quite impressed with the DML box art and want to replicate it to the best of my ablity minus the figure which of course means leaning new skillsets!  Burger [BG]

Here is a great link I found to make my own 1/35 scale sandbags.  If anyone has a better one please feel free to share.

http://www.rgmw.org/2007/10/sandbags-how-to-make-your-own.html

Also any tutorials on painting German Water Jerry cans would be appreciated.  Bill had a great one posted in his build log but I am laways ready to learn other techniques. 

My plan is to start adding figures about build 6 or 7 but I already started reading tutorials so I am probally doomed! Confused [%-)]

Here a few pics of the box art.

Now back to my opinions.  I looked hard and wide for a MM Acryl version of MM enamel Afrika Grunbraun with no success.  I am not ready to start using enamels for a variety of reasons mostly about the fact that  I paint in my garage and we never have 80 degree days in Seatttle and if we did I wouldn't tell you guys about it because we have enough people here already and my commute is already a bear!  Smile [:)]

So after reading many posts about the "correct" shade of Dunkergelb and the fact I really liked the Afrika Grunbaun I found a MM Armor Sand which is from what I can see exactly what you get when you do a 80\20 Dunkergelb and light gray.  Here a few pics of the color:

I plan to lighten the Armor Sand with MM light grey with color modulation techniques on the upper hull and turret.  I hope I do not offend any purists that is not my intention, but I do believe in the color scale theory that Karl talks about that the paint has to lighter in small scale to look real.

One last note I promise to be more subtle with the weathering this one so please feel free to type stop weathering now at anytime as we go along. Tongue [:P]

Thanks again to everyone that has taken the time to comment on my work.  It is really appreciated!

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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