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Sherman firefly , I Polish Armored Division `44

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  • From: Poland
Sherman firefly , I Polish Armored Division `44
Posted by PITERPANZER on Friday, April 10, 2009 4:30 PM

Hello!
Welcome to the gallery, where I present my first of the vehicles belonging to the 1st Polish Armored Division  Gen.Maczek .
It begins on a collection, which will be built slowly, parallel to 1st Armored Brigade from  the east front .
Relationship of the Dragon`s model is
here .
 The final model is based on photos of destroyed vehicle in France in  1944 .
I would like to thanks Paul P
 that i  found inspiration in his post

 

and open-air gallery


At this place and at this moment I would like to wish all of You happy Easter !

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Posted by the doog on Friday, April 10, 2009 4:41 PM

Really nice loooking Sherman, Piter! I'm 100% Polish too, so it's nice to see one from our side! Big Smile [:D]

Happy Easter to you too! Don't eat all your chocolate on the first day! LOL! 

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Posted by PITERPANZER on Friday, April 10, 2009 4:43 PM
Thank You ,I try to change pics to standard size now.

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Friday, April 10, 2009 4:59 PM

Thumbs Up [tup] I've got to agree with my pack leader doog. Looks the part to me.

Tony the Mutt

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Posted by Vassar-13 on Friday, April 10, 2009 5:11 PM
Great build.  I really like the outside pictures.
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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, April 10, 2009 5:25 PM

Nice work Piter! The only thing I can see that's a little off is the track tension, there's some sag that shouldn't be there due to the "live" track system used on the Sherman family. Look's like you pulled off the photos just right. Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by RBaer on Friday, April 10, 2009 6:25 PM

Normally I would say the same thing about the track tension, but I've seen a couple (only) pics of Shermans, still operational, with tracks displaying sag. One British and a few of Russian tanks in particular come to mind. I'm definitely not saying it's the norm, however, as it seems to be very rare.  I'm curious if it was a maintenance issue or not. A good example, Zaloga's "Armored Thunderbolt" has a pic of an M3 Lee in British service that looks ready to throw the tracks. The pics of Russian tanks clearly show stopped vehicles, so it's possibly not a motion-induced condition. Possibly very heavily worn tracks, desperately needing adjustment? Might be why it's not a condition seen on US tanks.....

All in all, a very nice Sherman, I think.Thumbs Up [tup]

 

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Posted by modelfreaks on Friday, April 10, 2009 6:52 PM
Wow Piter this is absulutely amazing! The biggest thing I notice is the amount of weathering and detailing you went through to make this look like the sherman in the photos! Even down to the littlest stains and all. Very nice. Also the track sag seems normal because I've seen it on old photos as well plus the photo of the tank you are depicting had some sag also. I'm very impressed by the build you have hear!
-Brandon When something alines itself with something else, BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN.
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Posted by beav on Friday, April 10, 2009 10:09 PM
Looks great!  I love the work on the numbers; definitely not decal perfect, I love it!

"First to Fire!"

Steven

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Posted by ABARNE on Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:14 AM

 wbill76 wrote:
The only thing I can see that's a little off is the track tension, there's some sag that shouldn't be there due to the "live" track system used on the Sherman family.

Clearly there is more sag than you would see in the vast majority of Shermans, and if this were a model of a "generic" Sherman, I would think the same thing.  In this case though, Piter is modelling a specific tank, and the side photos of the actual tank that Piter chose to model show a near identical sag, so I think his model's track sag in this instance is spot on.

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Posted by ABARNE on Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:22 AM

Bravo Piter!  That's one of the better looking Shermans to roll through hereThumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup].  Great job matching all the details of your build to the historical vehicle.  I really like the weathering too.  Excellent job.

Andy

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Posted by disastermaster on Saturday, April 11, 2009 1:26 AM

The only thing needed is the correct colors for those tail lights; otherwise I'm with everyone else.

http://www.innovationbyinstinct.com/services/hosting/clients/accountyp/status/DisasterMaster/%23t1-4.jpg

 https://i.imgur.com/LjRRaV1.png

 

 

 
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Posted by redleg12 on Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:57 AM
 disastermaster wrote:

The only thing needed is the correct colors for those tail lights; otherwise I'm with everyone else.

http://www.innovationbyinstinct.com/services/hosting/clients/accountyp/status/DisasterMaster/%23t1-4.jpg

Sign - Ditto [#ditto]

The photos are great. Weathering and detail is excellent. The sag...I sure in between adjustments you could have seen exerything from tight to falling off.

The tail lights sould be Red on top left side and Black on the bottoms and right top.

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by disastermaster on Saturday, April 11, 2009 10:37 AM
After looking a little closerhttp://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9279/mdakp6.gif.......here's a bit of help for the next time.http://www.usarmymodels.com/AFV%20PHOTOS/M4%20SHERMAN/M4%20Sherman%20Left%20Turret.jpghttp://www.innovationbyinstinct.com/services/hosting/clients/accountyp/status/DisasterMaster/%23t1-4.jpg

 https://i.imgur.com/LjRRaV1.png

 

 

 
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Posted by stick man on Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:24 AM

WOW! Very nice build I like how dull the paint looks how did you weather it?

Smile [:)]

I'm 15 and I model I sk8board and I drum what could be better.
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  • From: Poland
Posted by PITERPANZER on Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:43 AM

 disastermaster wrote:
After looking a little closerhttp://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9279/mdakp6.gif.......here's a bit of help for the next time.http://www.usarmymodels.com/AFV%20PHOTOS/M4%20SHERMAN/M4%20Sherman%20Left%20Turret.jpghttp://www.innovationbyinstinct.com/services/hosting/clients/accountyp/status/DisasterMaster/%23t1-4.jpg

Well , shermans are like with a s....,depend what You eat ,and every day is different.

The same T34 . Lots of production version and field modifications.

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Posted by T26E4 on Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:56 AM
The photo of the pistol port is supposed to show you that the raised lip around the hatch should be faired into the sidewalls of the turret.  It was part of the turret casting and shouldn't show any seam.  Your M4A4 Crab picture shows the same feature.

Roy Chow 

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Posted by disastermaster on Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:03 PM
 PITERPANZER wrote:

Well , shermans are like with a s....,depend what You eat ,and every day is different.

Gee, I didn't know that.

 https://i.imgur.com/LjRRaV1.png

 

 

 
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Posted by PITERPANZER on Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:29 PM

I'm really grateful for all notices and suggestions.I`m not a shermanoholic , but I like the shermi.

 Aggregating all comments from different forums it`s possible to  write a long list of errors in the  Dragon`s model . Boggies has  2 errors, the lack of drainage holes for fuel  ,poor wheels etc. I correct for sure lamps colour- thanks , but leave another places.

Reasume , I enjoy to built my firefly ,but live shows nobody is perfect ;-)

Happy Easter Wink [;)]

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Posted by T26E4 on Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:59 PM
None of us are, Piterpanzer.  It seems you really enjoyed your Firefly.  We just added suggestions for your next build.  Best Rgrds

Roy Chow 

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Posted by PITERPANZER on Saturday, April 11, 2009 1:17 PM

I know that,but if I read about other models ,and see long lists (es?) of places to correct...then I affraid to built shermi.

As positive ,since today I have much more pics from internet in my shermi folder,and probably I try to built Italieri M4A1 as a "Kitus II" or "Flying Cow" . I have some another M4A4 and firefly pics in my books .Will see .

For sure it will be sometning between polish heros.

By the way ,inspiration for me was a post from Armorama with  these 3 pics.

Have You another pics ,showing some details of the vehicles from Ist Polish Armored Division?

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Posted by redleg12 on Saturday, April 11, 2009 9:01 PM

Piter - None of us are perfect...thats why we are all here to share and review each others work.

We all try to teach each other so our next build is better than the last. the most important thing is to have fun...which it seams you did. Wink [;)]

Have a wonderful Easter!!

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by Rafhart on Sunday, April 12, 2009 4:05 AM
Good work :)
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Posted by RBaer on Monday, April 13, 2009 11:14 AM

PITERPANZER, here's one for you, the Italeri M4A1, almost OOB. It's a little beat up from a few moves, and it's "old school" finishing, but it's still in the display case.....

The ref pics came from Osprey's book on Polish Armor in WWII, and tha markings are from an old Verlinden dry transfer sheet.

Apprentice rivet counter.

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