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Trumpeter 1/35 M198 155mm Howitzer, Finished, 8/09/09

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Sunday, July 5, 2009 9:57 AM

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, July 5, 2009 11:53 AM
Very nice work on the details Mike, it's really upped things a couple of notches from the base kit for sure. Looking forward to the base and position work to come! Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, July 5, 2009 1:48 PM
Those added details such as the lanyard, lenses, guages, and such really add a lot of life to this build.  Well done, I look forward to seeing more progress on that base! Approve [^]

Frank 

 

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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, July 5, 2009 3:10 PM

Bill - Attention to detail!!! Especially in OD....Thanks for stopping by and the comments.

Daywalker - Thanks for stopping in. Adding the details is what makes the research and build fun. Thanks for the comments.

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by subfixer on Sunday, July 5, 2009 5:08 PM

Great job, redleg.

I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, July 5, 2009 6:31 PM

Thanks subfixer!!

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by disastermaster on Monday, July 6, 2009 7:16 PM

 http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg222/Ryuk-Rasengan/Smileys/elmo.gifHey Mike......

This has been a

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Posted by redleg12 on Monday, July 6, 2009 10:27 PM

DM - As usual your reply is worth the wait!! Thanks again. Glad you like the weathering!!

As always thanks for stopping by!!Wink [;)]

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by NucMedTech on Tuesday, July 7, 2009 6:24 AM

Redleg- Great build, ATD is outstanding. It really brings the build to life. Looking forward to the other small items to go with it. May bring me some understanding on what to put into my build.

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, July 7, 2009 7:20 AM

Not your usual good stuff MikeSad [:(]

It's BETTERBig Smile [:D]

Really nice work on this Mike.  All the added details really make it look the part.

Author's Note:  The first 2 lines of this post were meant to add a modicum of humor to the message and it is in no way meant to imply the builders previous model have deficient in any way in the facets of the model building process including, but not limited to, gluing, sanding, seam filling, polishing, scratch building, priming, painting, weathering, etc. because the author knows the builder will be at AMPSEast in September and the author does not want his own models stomped on, thrown, crushed, have gas released on, burned or otherwise deteriorated, by the builder.

Marc  

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Posted by redleg12 on Tuesday, July 7, 2009 8:34 AM

NMT - Thanks for looking and for the comments!

 wing_nut wrote:

Not your usual good stuff MikeSad [:(]

It's BETTERBig Smile [:D]

Really nice work on this Mike.  All the added details really make it look the part.

Author's Note:  The first 2 lines of this post were meant to add a modicum of humor to the message and it is in no way meant to imply the builders previous model have deficient in any way in the facets of the model building process including, but not limited to, gluing, sanding, seam filling, polishing, scratch building, priming, painting, weathering, etc. because the author knows the builder will be at AMPSEast in September and the author does not want his own models stomped on, thrown, crushed, have gas released on, burned or otherwise deteriorated, by the builder.

Marc - I am on the road for work. To wake up in the morning, 3,000 miles from home, and to LMAO like this was greatly appreciated. You da man.

Just because I am an expert in explosives, propellants, and all things that go boom, you would let people thing I would melt, blow up, and shoot you builds.......Naaaaaa.....I'm watching you!!!

Thanks for looking and thanks for the comments!!

Rounds Complete!!

 

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, July 7, 2009 9:20 AM

Glad to help you on the road trip my firend.

 

Rememebr the days when you would jump up and yell, "Big Smile [:D]ROAD TRIP!"

Now it's, "Disapprove [V]CRAP...road trip."

Marc  

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Posted by redleg12 on Tuesday, July 7, 2009 10:41 PM

Marc - How true!!!! Thanks again.....from my hotel room

G - I thought Marines strapped artillery on their back and ran onto the beachSmile,Wink, & Grin [swg].....Thanks for stopping by and for the comments.

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, July 19, 2009 2:34 PM

Work and chores have slowed the finish but here is the details to date. Ammunition and some other items still need markings.

  • HE projectiles with eye bolts, painted with Tamiya OD. Rotating band painted with Tamiya Dark Copper (from AFV 155mm Ammunition kit)
  • Tool chest painted Poly Scale Forest Green (Italeri tools kit)
  • Fuse boxes and primer boxes painted Poly Scale Forest Green (AFV Ammunition Boxes kit)
  • 5 gallon of bore cleaner painted Poly Scale Forest Green (Italeri)

  • HE projectiles with fuse painted same as above, MTSQ Time fuse, Tamiya Flat Black, PD fuse painted Alclad Burnt Metal (AFV Kit and supplied with model)
  • Water cans painted Tamiya Flat Black (Resin Kit)
  • Projectile carrier painted Alclad Steel (supplied with model)
  • Pail for bore cleaner painted Alclad Dark Aluminum (Spares)
  • Rammer painted Poly Scale Forest Green for staff and Alclad Aluminum for ramming end. (supplied with model)

  • Illumination projectiles painted Tamiya Flat white with rotating band and MTSQ fuse same as above (supplied with model)
  • WP projectiles painted with 70% Tamiya Cockpit Green and 30% Flat White. Rotating band and PD fused same as above (AFV kit) <rounds in the front>
  • HC Smoke projectiles painted the same as WP except MTSQ fuse. (AFV kit) <rounds in the back>
  • Propelling charge canisters painted Tamiya OD (AFV kit)

I am currently working on wood pallets and dunnage for the ammunition. I still have to finish

  • Shovel and Pick
  • MRE
  • Telephone and wire reel
  • Bore Brush
  • Collimator

Just an update on where I am at. The little items take a lot of time!!

Total hours this update - 6.5 hours

Total hours this overall build - 50.5

Thanks for looking and as always, all comments are welcome.

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, July 19, 2009 4:49 PM
The devil's always in the details Mike! Looks like this one's well on its way to being amply supplied for the next fire mission. Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by doc-hm3 on Sunday, July 19, 2009 5:18 PM

  Mike, I must have ben asleep at the wheel, because somehow I have missed the boat and on your build to date. But! is has been great catching up on your progress all in one afternoon. Your detailed build is nice and clean, and the paintjob is superb but your weathering makes the whole piece just pop and come alive. A fitting build for gentleman artillaryman.Thumbs Up [tup]

                                                                              doc

                                                               

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Posted by wing_nut on Sunday, July 19, 2009 7:02 PM
Nice looking ammo Mike.  I can almost hear it go BOOM

Marc  

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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, July 19, 2009 7:09 PM

 wbill76 wrote:
The devil's always in the details Mike! Looks like this one's well on its way to being amply supplied for the next fire mission. Thumbs Up [tup]

Bill - Why is it always the devil Evil [}:)] .....Thanks Angel [angel]

Doc - Thanks for spending the time to catch up and for your comments

 wing_nut wrote:
Nice looking ammo Mike.  I can almost hear it go BOOM

Marc - I personally like WP.....HOT HOT HOT HOT....

Thanks for stopping by and for the comments.

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by panzerguy on Monday, July 20, 2009 6:20 PM
 

  Mike that's one nice piece of arty!  Didn't get to see these guy's in action when I was in but those rounds with the lifting lugs and fuses in ‘em bring back a lot of good (and a couple of bad) memoriesWink [;)].

  Great job from a fellow cannon cocker.

                      

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Posted by Grimmo on Monday, July 20, 2009 9:13 PM

great work there! can almost smell the blast! fantastic camo, totally awesome model!

Here in oz, we call artillery "nine mile snipers" or "dropshorts". Not as bad as what the call everyone else!

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Posted by Grem56 on Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:49 AM

Looking great so far. The addition of all the "odds and sods" (shells etc.) around the artillery piece will bring it to life. Fantastic Thumbs Up [tup]

Julian Smile [:)]

 

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Posted by redleg12 on Tuesday, July 21, 2009 6:19 AM

 panzerguy wrote:
 

  Mike that's one nice piece of arty!  Didn't get to see these guy's in action when I was in but those rounds with the lifting lugs and fuses in ‘em bring back a lot of good (and a couple of bad) memoriesWink [;)].

  Great job from a fellow cannon cocker.

                      

Steve - First forget the bad and always remember the good!! Thanks for stopping by. Always appreciate the praise from a fellow redleg. Nothing like screwing the fuses & eyebolts. Shock [:O]

Thanks again

 Grimmo wrote:

great work there! can almost smell the blast! fantastic camo, totally awesome model!

Here in oz, we call artillery "nine mile snipers" or "dropshorts". Not as bad as what the call everyone else!

Hmmmm....where exactly is Oz and when did the witch of the north get her own battery?? Propeller [8-]

Thanks for stopping by and for your comments

 Grem56 wrote:

Looking great so far. The addition of all the "odds and sods" (shells etc.) around the artillery piece will bring it to life. Fantastic Thumbs Up [tup]

Julian Smile [:)]

Julian - Thanks for the comments. Artillery has a lot of "odds and sods", especially towed

Thanks again

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by the doog on Tuesday, July 21, 2009 6:33 AM

Gotta admit, Mike--you really take these builds to the "nth degree"--they're a great source of information and detail on a subject that few guys seem to cover. You're definitely the "King of Artillery" here on FSM!

It all looks great, for sure--all the little details really flesh out the whole concept. I'm glad I got to see it!

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Posted by SMJmodeler on Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:49 AM

Mike: That ammo is like a whole model within itself!Shock [:O]  I'm sure it will pay-off though, the detail work really brings it to life!

They all look great but lack depth, IMO.  A subtle wash for shadows on the relief might help your efforts.

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Posted by squeakie on Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:48 PM
 redleg12 wrote:
 SMJmodeler wrote:
 redleg12 wrote:

Great shot Mike, I love the combo of camo colors!  The weathering should make it even better! I'm looking forward to seeing what you do with the hydraulics and those huge joints for the legs behind the wheels.

 redleg12 wrote:

Questions: Are the legs so huge for counterbalance or recoil support?...or both?  Does that plate at the end of the legs get driven into dirt?  What if the dirt is really hard or there's no support vehicle to assist?...would this baby just roll way back after firing in that case?  Does the anchoring, or lack of, effect it's range and/or accuracy?...I suspect yes..but how much?

OK....Lets answer these one at a time

Are the legs so huge for counterbalance or recoil support?...or both? Yes....The longer "trails" help counter balance the load when towing. Also because of the design, a front base plate to pivot, the longer legs give better support during the shock of recoil

Does that plate at the end of the legs get driven into dirt? Yes...the "spades" are intended to be dug in.

What if the dirt is really hard or there's no support vehicle to assist? If the dirt is really hard or emplaced on rock, the spades need to be "blocked and braced" to prevent the gun from moving. This could be done with logs. The weapon is normally towed by an M9oo series 5 ton truck or now the new LMTV series 5 ton. If the weapon is "air assualted" and no vehicle present the crew would just have to hup it.

In general, the battery commander during his recon of a new position would evaluate the ground conditions and try not to emplace where it could not be dug in. If there was a situation where this was impossible, he would normally request engineer support as part of the battery occupation of the new position.

would this baby just roll way back after firing in that case? If the weapon was not supported, the gun would encounter "displacement" or move each time it is fired. The crew need to determine displacement after each round that is fired. After reaching a maximum, the gun would have to be "re-laid" or re-surveyed. This is not a situation you want to be in.

Does the anchoring, or lack of, effect it's range and/or accuracy?. Yes...as the wepon displaces, it can change the position of the wepon not only to the rear, but sideways, if the barrel when fired was not on center with the carriage.

I suspect yes..but how much? Yes for sure.....how much it is off target depends on the amount of the displacement, the range you are firing at and if you are firing high angle or low angle. When firing high angle, the "range probable error" is higher since the round ins in the air longer, goes higher and is susectable to more atmospheric conditions. To give you an idea, the PE at low angle and 5,000 meters in range is ~20 meters at high angle and range of 25,000 meters the PE is ~105 meters.

Couple that with displacement and you could be off by a few hunderd meters.

Artillery relies on survey, ballistic calculation, meterorlogical input and other factors to shoot long distances accuratly. It's not a tank where you can see the target and shoot it. You may be shooting over a mountain and hitting a target on the other side.

All of these inputs are put into ballistic formulas to calculte the "deflection" azimuth and "quadrent" elevation for a specific round type with a specific powder chage.

Hope this helps

Rounds Complete!! 

just to add the questions about digging in the spades. We would often dig the spades in about three or four inches if the soil was really rocky. Then fire a charge seven to who knows where. The spades would then be dug in to the max, and hopefully not displace very much.

     The guns we used would hold a consistent 40 to 50 yards in accuracey using generic HE rounds. But we also had contact lots of rounds and powder. This would get you down to the 40 yard pattern without any problems. And often in about 30 yards at max range (14,000+ yards). We always felt we were capable of shooting within 150 yards of friendlies in a pinch (as long as the ground was solid clay and using contact lots of ammunition). If your adjusting off of the first shot and it's close a good gun crew can really walk those rounds right into your lap. Still 35 yards is about the very best you can ask for in repeatability on a perfect day.

gary

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Posted by squeakie on Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:55 PM
 Hans von Hammer wrote:

What if the dirt is really hard or there's no support vehicle to assist? If the dirt is really hard or emplaced on rock, the spades need to be "blocked and braced" to prevent the gun from moving. This could be done with logs. The weapon is normally towed by an M9oo series 5 ton truck or now the new LMTV series 5 ton.

Just expanding upon Redleg's answer, we carried two railroad tie sections on the gun trucks (this was for M101 105mm, but the deal's the same for the M198).  Each section was about 3 feet long with holes bored through the middle...  We also had ice stakes about 4 feet long made of solid steel and pointed at one end.  When we had to emplace on frozen ground, or rocky areas too tough for digging, we use these "Dead-men" (the ties) in position behind the spades...

We would displace a skoshi-bit more than if we had dug in, but it would settle down by the third or fourth round..

75% of the time we shot outta parapits for a full 360 degrees of fun and games. We backed are trails with loose logs to take up the slack when we changed azmuths. The parapit usually used 12" x 12" logs backed up with another set mounted vertically. Then in front of the first set we used a steel plating that was similar to PSP, but still different. The gun itselt sat on a large platform made from similar materal to railroad ties. This was mostly to make the jack plate solid and consistent

gary

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Posted by Bodge on Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:30 PM
Awsome work there Redleg and your a credit to the kitBow [bow]
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Posted by I make stuff on Tuesday, July 21, 2009 5:21 PM

Nice, Redleg.

"Target, troops in the open.  I say again, troops in the open..."

I heard that will make an artilleryman smile every time.

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Posted by redleg12 on Tuesday, July 21, 2009 6:11 PM

 the doog wrote:

Gotta admit, Mike--you really take these builds to the "nth degree"--they're a great source of information and detail on a subject that few guys seem to cover. You're definitely the "King of Artillery" here on FSM!
It all looks great, for sure--all the little details really flesh out the whole concept. I'm glad I got to see it!

Karl – With all the add on stuff on tanks this is just spread out. Though, artillery items are specialized.

Yes, I am the odd ball, but it is my life. Glad to see people learning from these posts. It is the main purpose of these forums

Thanks for stopping in LOOOOONG Distance
 SMJmodeler wrote:

Mike: That ammo is like a whole model within itself!Shock [:O] I'm sure it will pay-off though, the detail work really brings it to life!
They all look great but lack depth, IMO. A subtle wash for shadows on the relief might help your efforts.

Steve – OK….always looking to rush the process.

The ammo is set up for a future spray and then custom decals. I am making up the correct markings for each type of round and the powder canisters. After the coat of flat, THEN we can talk about pinwashing the rounds. You didn’t think I would go through all that trouble of the different colors and not refer to TM 9-1300-251-20 for the correct markings!!......You should know me better

Thanks for stopping by and the comments
 squeakie wrote:

just to add the questions about digging in the spades. We would often dig the spades in about three or four inches if the soil was really rocky. Then fire a charge seven to who knows where. The spades would then be dug in to the max, and hopefully not displace very much.
The guns we used would hold a consistent 40 to 50 yards in accuracey using generic HE rounds. But we also had contact lots of rounds and powder. This would get you down to the 40 yard pattern without any problems. And often in about 30 yards at max range (14,000+ yards). We always felt we were capable of shooting within 150 yards of friendlies in a pinch (as long as the ground was solid clay and using contact lots of ammunition). If your adjusting off of the first shot and it's close a good gun crew can really walk those rounds right into your lap. Still 35 yards is about the very best you can ask for in repeatability on a perfect day.
gary

Gary – Shooting the gun in…..been there done that….in our VN and post years I would agree with your accuracy. Today with all the neat toys the do a bit better. I still think everyone should still know the old fashioned way too!!

Thanks for the comments

Andy – Thanks for looking and for the comment. It means a lot coming from you.

 Citadelgrad87 wrote:

Nice, Redleg.

"Target, troops in the open.  I say again, troops in the open..."

I heard that will make an artilleryman smile every time.


CG – Time in effect…..those troops in the open love airbursts

Thanks

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by HeavyArty on Tuesday, July 21, 2009 6:40 PM
Looking great Mike.  The rounds look awesome, makes me want to pick up a couple do some PT.  HOOOAAAHHH!!!!

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