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Trumpeter 1/35 M198 155mm Howitzer, Finished, 8/09/09

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, June 22, 2009 2:07 PM
Now you're in the best part Mike, dealing with all the details! Coming along nicely, look forward to the next "round". Laugh [(-D]
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Posted by redleg12 on Monday, June 22, 2009 9:32 AM
 SMJmodeler wrote:
 redleg12 wrote:

Great shot Mike, I love the combo of camo colors!  The weathering should make it even better! I'm looking forward to seeing what you do with the hydraulics and those huge joints for the legs behind the wheels.

 redleg12 wrote:

Questions: Are the legs so huge for counterbalance or recoil support?...or both?  Does that plate at the end of the legs get driven into dirt?  What if the dirt is really hard or there's no support vehicle to assist?...would this baby just roll way back after firing in that case?  Does the anchoring, or lack of, effect it's range and/or accuracy?...I suspect yes..but how much?

OK....Lets answer these one at a time

Are the legs so huge for counterbalance or recoil support?...or both? Yes....The longer "trails" help counter balance the load when towing. Also because of the design, a front base plate to pivot, the longer legs give better support during the shock of recoil

Does that plate at the end of the legs get driven into dirt? Yes...the "spades" are intended to be dug in.

What if the dirt is really hard or there's no support vehicle to assist? If the dirt is really hard or emplaced on rock, the spades need to be "blocked and braced" to prevent the gun from moving. This could be done with logs. The weapon is normally towed by an M9oo series 5 ton truck or now the new LMTV series 5 ton. If the weapon is "air assualted" and no vehicle present the crew would just have to hup it.

In general, the battery commander during his recon of a new position would evaluate the ground conditions and try not to emplace where it could not be dug in. If there was a situation where this was impossible, he would normally request engineer support as part of the battery occupation of the new position.

would this baby just roll way back after firing in that case? If the weapon was not supported, the gun would encounter "displacement" or move each time it is fired. The crew need to determine displacement after each round that is fired. After reaching a maximum, the gun would have to be "re-laid" or re-surveyed. This is not a situation you want to be in.

Does the anchoring, or lack of, effect it's range and/or accuracy?. Yes...as the wepon displaces, it can change the position of the wepon not only to the rear, but sideways, if the barrel when fired was not on center with the carriage.

I suspect yes..but how much? Yes for sure.....how much it is off target depends on the amount of the displacement, the range you are firing at and if you are firing high angle or low angle. When firing high angle, the "range probable error" is higher since the round ins in the air longer, goes higher and is susectable to more atmospheric conditions. To give you an idea, the PE at low angle and 5,000 meters in range is ~20 meters at high angle and range of 25,000 meters the PE is ~105 meters.

Couple that with displacement and you could be off by a few hunderd meters.

Artillery relies on survey, ballistic calculation, meterorlogical input and other factors to shoot long distances accuratly. It's not a tank where you can see the target and shoot it. You may be shooting over a mountain and hitting a target on the other side.

All of these inputs are put into ballistic formulas to calculte the "deflection" azimuth and "quadrent" elevation for a specific round type with a specific powder chage.

Hope this helps

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Posted by SMJmodeler on Monday, June 22, 2009 8:41 AM
 redleg12 wrote:

Great shot Mike, I love the combo of camo colors!  The weathering should make it even better! I'm looking forward to seeing what you do with the hydraulics and those huge joints for the legs behind the wheels.

 redleg12 wrote:

Questions: Are the legs so huge for counterbalance or recoil support?...or both?  Does that plate at the end of the legs get driven into dirt?  What if the dirt is really hard or there's no support vehicle to assist?...would this baby just roll way back after firing in that case?  Does the anchoring, or lack of, effect it's range and/or accuracy?...I suspect yes..but how much?

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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, June 21, 2009 7:54 PM

Steve - Thanks, I am glad you are enjoying the different!! Artillery is definitly the minority in armor modeling. I being the "odd ball" only build artillery and the other strange and otuse vehicles!! Like many of you enjoy the world of PZ or Sherman, I enjoy going the different path.

I am glad to bring diversity and hope people enjoy it and learn from it. I'm always happy when you stop by.

The M198 is a cool looking artillery weapon. Going through all the accessories for the "stuff" around the gun. That will start shortly!!

Thanks again

Rounds Complete!!

 

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Posted by panzerguy on Sunday, June 21, 2009 6:51 PM
 

    Mike this is one sweet piece. I've been peeking in here and there on your build and have to say this is one of the sleekest arty pieces I've seen in a while. Your builds definitely do bring some diversity to this forum. Looking foward to seeing what you do with the base. 

"Happiness is a belt fed weapon"

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Posted by redleg12 on Saturday, June 20, 2009 8:32 PM

Final assembly is just about complete. The sights will be mounted after weathering. Sights will normally stay clean since the sights are only mounted in the firing position and are in their case during travel.

One problem with the sights is Trumpeter forgot to include the elbow telescope. Their decals have the direct fire plate for the AG side but without an elbow scope it would be hard to direct fire. I will scratch up a scope using some parts from an AFV M102 howitzer and some styrene tube (pics on the next update).

After assembling the elevating and traversing hand wheels and the travel lock folded under the tube, I applied the kit decals. The decal set for the kit if pretty good but is missing the serial number plates for the carriage, howitzer and recoil system.

Here is the elevating hand wheel and details

This shows the grease fitting on the barrel bushing which is dry brushed with Gunmetal. Also the travel lock in the folded position. The pins and collier are also dry brushed with Gunmetal to show ware.

Looking from the rear, you can see the Carriage, Howitzer and Recoil system serial number plates. I added these using Archer modern data plates.

Here is a view of a trail showing edge ware and scratches applied with dry brush Gunmetal.

I dry brushed the inside tube section of the muzzle brake with Gunmetal. Also gave the nice shiny tires the worn look and edge wear using a scotch pad

Here is a rear view of the howitzer

Besides the model work it was off to the wood shop to make the base (12" x 14") and stain it.

Next up is weathering on the model, sights and air lines to finish off.  Then we will get into the presentation on the base showing the emplaced howitzer.

Happy Fathers Day to all!!!

Total hours this update - 6.5 hours

Total hours this overall build - 34.5

Thanks for looking and as always, all comments are welcome.

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by redleg12 on Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:27 PM

E. Jose - I'm glad your are enjoying this build. There will be more information to come so keep an eye on future posts.

Overall it's a good kit but has a few small problems. I hope my posts will keep you from re-learning the quirks and allow you to have a great build. Enjoy and make sure you post it when you start.

Thanks for stopping in and I look forward to see more from you!.....Welcome

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by E. Jose on Saturday, June 20, 2009 11:44 AM

Thanks for the post. Now I am planing to buy the same model. And I bet your tips will be helpful

And through the pictures I saw, I bet it will turn out great.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, June 19, 2009 7:20 PM

OK, no takers...

Answer: 

The WP rounds must be stowed on their bases because the filler melts at 111-114 degrees F and there's a void at the top of the projoe..  If stored on the side and the filler melts, then cools off enough to re-solidify, the void will be along the side of the joes and the round will "wobble", screwing up the ballistics of the round when fired..

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, June 19, 2009 6:35 AM
Shameless bump for the trivia question...

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:56 AM

 jthurston wrote:
Wait, what's the question? How WP rounds are stored on the base?

Not how, but Why...

"Why must WP artillery rounds be stored on their base?"

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Posted by redleg12 on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:05 AM
 SMJmodeler wrote:

 redleg12 wrote:

The real deal has about a 30 km range.

HOLY PROJECTILES!!!...isn't that about 18 miles?!  That seems WAY TOO FAR!

Modern artillery can reach out and touch you a long distance. That is the difference between a gun and a howitzer. With today's survey, GPS, laser targeting, etc, if done properly it is accurate to withing 5 meters at 30km!

Modern 105mm reach to about 19km and 155mm 30km.

 redleg12 wrote:

Smoke.....I though about it, but I would have to show the howitzer in recoil, crew, etc. Smoke just never seems to look right in 1/35

Why?

Just looks fake to me! I have tried it with my M270 MLRS....its OK. Also not looking to do a bunch of figs with this one. I would need figs to complete the "look".

 redleg12 wrote:

Glad you like the camo. I am using a new AB which makes the free hand camo easy for these old eyes and shaky hands.

It'll off-set the effects of the cocktails tooBig Smile [:D]...

The camo looks best after coktails!!

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by SMJmodeler on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:40 AM

 redleg12 wrote:

The real deal has about a 30 km range.

HOLY PROJECTILES!!!...isn't that about 18 miles?!  That seems WAY TOO FAR!

 redleg12 wrote:

Smoke.....I though about it, but I would have to show the howitzer in recoil, crew, etc. Smoke just never seems to look right in 1/35

Why?

 redleg12 wrote:

Glad you like the camo. I am using a new AB which makes the free hand camo easy for these old eyes and shaky hands.

It'll off-set the effects of the cocktails tooBig Smile [:D]...

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Posted by redleg12 on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:31 AM

Hey guy, nice to have you stop in. Yep, its big and the model is big too.

The real deal has about a 30 km range.

Smoke.....I though about it, but I would have to show the howitzer in recoil, crew, etc. Smoke just never seems to look right in 1/35

I will be mounting and setting up the position around the weapon. Also will mix it up with different types of ammunition!!

Glad you like the camo. I am using a new AB which makes the free hand camo easy for these old eyes and shaky hands.

Thanks for stopping by and your comments. This one should be at AMPS East!!

Rounds Complete!! 

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by SMJmodeler on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:15 AM

redleg12: Hey, that photo does look familiar!Big Smile [:D]  I like the enlarged version...is that CAMO on that bad boy!?  Based on the base size that's one serious piece of artillery.  What's its range?

Looks good so far Mike!...you going to camo it too? *EDIT*  I just saw the more current pic's...nice camo!

How about simulating that blast smoke?,  that would be cool!

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Posted by jthurston on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:43 PM
Wait, what's the question? How WP rounds are stored on the base?
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Posted by redleg12 on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:05 PM

Hans - Just for you, I will do a "mini toot" on building a collimeter.

Then you can build your own and clone yourself Shock [:O]

Hummm......nice trivia on WP, mums the word on the answer!!

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:19 PM
 redleg12 wrote:

HE, HC, WP and Illum broken out. Powder canisters, fuse cans, a pale and bore brush and the scratch built collimeter (Hans....your favorite).

Rounds Complete!!

Heh... Glad you remembered.. You need to sell those things, Redleg... I'b buy one.. (then use it as a master, but you don't need to know thatBig Smile [:D]) Make sure you store thse WP on the base now... (A prize to the first non-Redleg to tell me why that's done- A free night with Aiming-Post Amy!)

Sad to report I know nothing about the 198 though.. I went from a GS Pig Battalion to 109s, then back to Towed Arty and M102s (Air Assault ya know) before I went Chemical...

 

 

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Posted by redleg12 on Monday, June 15, 2009 12:31 PM

Bill - Thanks....I'll keep you on the call list Shock [:O]

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by I make stuff on Monday, June 15, 2009 11:51 AM

That's looking mighty fine.

I may ask it for a date.

Bill

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Posted by redleg12 on Monday, June 15, 2009 11:11 AM

Marc - Thanks. Green...yes, black, brown, sand....sometimes....grey or It brown....neverWink [;)]

Thanks

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, June 15, 2009 7:37 AM

Hey there Mike... sorry buddy, I missed this one completely.  But i didnt think this one really counted anyway because it's not ALL green.  There is some other colors mixed in thereWhistling [:-^]

Seriously, your usual fine work ith palstic and paint.Thumbs Up [tup]

Marc  

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Posted by redleg12 on Monday, June 15, 2009 5:22 AM

Bill - Thanks!!

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:58 PM
Looking good Mike! Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:56 PM

Camo - Thanks!!

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Posted by camo junkie on Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:00 PM
very cool. Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:10 PM

Camo - Oh yeah....I am planning to set up on a base. HE, HC, WP and Illum broken out. Powder canisters, fuse cans, a pale and bore brush and the scratch built collimeter (Hans....your favorite). Thanks for looking and your comments.

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by camo junkie on Sunday, June 14, 2009 5:47 PM

nicely done red! now...is it going in a dio or at least are ya going to put some rounds next to her? well, once she's finished! ya know just for that little extra! Whistling [:-^] just curious.

.....survey first......!

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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, June 14, 2009 4:50 PM

Assembling the upper carriage turned out to be a chore. The swivel base connects to the support arms and the lower equilibrators are to be pinned between the two. First the fit was off and required sanding and then trying to connect four pieces at one time is next to impossible. After a few foiled attempts, I cut off one side of the pinning on each equilibrator and glued the other side.

Once the glue dried now I only had to deal with the swivel base as a whole. With that mounted I closed up the seams and masked required areas prior to the camo.

I also mounted the large top screen from the supplied PE. Rounding the screen was a search but the syringe I use for thinner addition was a perfect size, which turns out to be 0.50 inches in diameter

Where the arms meet the swivel base, once again I employed the Archer weld beads.  You can see clearer in this picture the lower equilibrator arms, swivel base and the support arms and how they all fit

After everything was masked I hit the paint booth. First a quick overall top coat of NATO Green, then the NATO Black and NATO Brown for the camo.

I let the paint set up overnight, then I "reversed the masking to expose the metal area of the barrel which is not painted since it moves during recoil. The metal barrel and breech area was painted with Alclad Steel.

The entire upper assembly was added to the lower carriage.

View from the rear

Once all assembled this model is big when built in the firing position. From barrel end to trail end is about 13 inches and the trails spread about 10 inches. This make taking overall pics fun to get depth of field!!.

That's it for now. Next, final hand wheels and gears, travel support, sights and scratch build air lines a left to be mounted. Then we will be onto weathering.   

Total hours this update - 8.0 hours

Total hours this overall build - 28.0

Thanks for looking and as always, all comments are welcome.

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by redleg12 on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:56 PM

Gino - Great to have you stop in!!

I'm sure the M90 bracket was added later, circa early 80s and not part of the original M198. The brake line meter I thought was an original but I'm sure. At worst it was an early upgrade. They molded the two lines which go into the meter onto the trail but no mounting holes for the parts or mention in the instructions.

Conversly, they have the wire reel on the rear (which I don't ever remember seeing a 198 with a reel on it) and also no mounting hole.

There are a number of items in the directions which are vague or missing. They give you projectiles, but no markings nor any powder cans. They should have just looked at the AFV ammo set....Duh. They also give you a staff with the rammer on it and a loading tray. I know what it is but most people will not and again no mention in the directions

For the build look, I am looking at circa 1980s/early 90s. There were a number of subtle changes/additions in the early days. I am sure their late version will be more of late 90s/00 with all the upgrades onboard.

Don't get me wrong, the kit has a lot of advantages and builds into a very nice model. But there are some things they could have done better and other you just go....DUH. They could have hit a home run but we have to settle for a triple!!!

Always keeping the bubbles level!

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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