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#96: Tamiya Pz II C Polish *Complete PICS p5*

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, June 26, 2009 1:20 PM

 SMJmodeler wrote:
I don't want to hi-jack your thread, so a PM response is fine if you prefer.  Here's the question: If you recall I'm buying the German 3ton 4 x 2 truck with my PzII order and I'd like to know if they would be appropriate together in a dio?...if so, what context?  Were there specific/unique supplies that were called for in the Polish attack that might make for something interesting?  How about a bunch of figures in the truck bed?...your thoughts/ideas?...

This is the Opel "Blitz" if I recall correctly? I don't know that much about softskins but the "Blitz" was in service in the '30s so wouldn't be out of place IMHO for Poland. As far as cargo goes, the same "stuff" that was needed for the advance as in any other campaign I suppose! Wink [;)] Figures in the truck bed would work, although the % of German divisions that were motorized was still fairly low at that period of time. Sounds like the wheels are turning, ought to be interesting whatever you come up with!

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Posted by SMJmodeler on Saturday, June 27, 2009 11:53 AM
 wbill76 wrote:

This is the Opel "Blitz" if I recall correctly? I don't know that much about softskins but the "Blitz" was in service in the '30s so wouldn't be out of place IMHO for Poland. As far as cargo goes, the same "stuff" that was needed for the advance as in any other campaign I suppose! Wink [;)] Figures in the truck bed would work, although the % of German divisions that were motorized was still fairly low at that period of time. Sounds like the wheels are turning, ought to be interesting whatever you come up with!

Bill: I believe it is the Opel Blitz...I like the little history lesson Tamiya gives in the instruction booklet and I expect to learn more about the truck when I read it.  What I had in mind was a pre-attack preparation scene.  I have a pretty nice spare parts bin in the stash but I'd like something unique in the bed of the truck that could represent the "Prelude to War" theme (recall, this might be my AMPS East submission in that category).  Hmmm...I'll have to think about that some more.  Let me now if someting comes to mind as you continue your build.  Thanks!

PS. You said the duration of the Poland invasion was about one month long right?  What was the date/month?

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, June 27, 2009 12:04 PM

 SMJmodeler wrote:
PS. You said the duration of the Poland invasion was about one month long right?  What was the date/month?

As a former history teacher I have to shake my head at this question Steve! Tongue [:P] Laugh [(-D] WW2 began with the invastion of Poland on Sept 1, 1939 and the Polish campaign was over by October 1. Wink [;)]

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Posted by SMJmodeler on Saturday, June 27, 2009 12:32 PM
 wbill76 wrote:

 SMJmodeler wrote:
PS. You said the duration of the Poland invasion was about one month long right?  What was the date/month?

As a former history teacher I have to shake my head at this question Steve! Tongue [:P] Laugh [(-D] WW2 began with the invastion of Poland on Sept 1, 1939 and the Polish campaign was over by October 1. Wink [;)]

You're probably saying...how can he NOT know that!?...right?

I get that same feeling when people on the street are asked simple questions about the U.S.  like, "Where is Montana?"...or what/where is "Washington D.C."?

Ok..mentally noted and engrained in my gray matter (I'll be ready for the pop-quiz) SEPT 1, 1939!

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, June 27, 2009 4:26 PM

With the decals on, the next step was to proceed with the weathering. Since the camo colors are dark to begin with, I first applied an overall wash of enamel Raw Sienna with a large round sable brush.

This was followed by dot filters of enamel Flat Sea Blue, Flat White, and Italian Dark Brown to fade and add variation to the overall finish. The dots were blended together with a square tip blender brush moistened with clean thinner. I liked the results on the fenders from the Raw Sienna wash so I left those areas alone, applying the fading/streaking only to the hull and turret surfaces.

The Raw Sienna was a good compliment to the base coat colors and I applied it again as a pin wash to all of the raised detail and panel lines to simulate dust/dirt accumulation. I also used it to simulate the "mud" on the turret crosses and numbers by carefully building it up with multiple applications and fine-tuning along the way. I didn't want it so heavy that it obscured the underlying white totally and this required several attempts before I got it to look the way I wanted.

The entire vehicle was then given a sealing coat of Testors Lusterless Flat via spray can and allowed to dry for an hour before starting in with the pigments. I used Mig Europe Dust combined with regular tap water with a touch of dish washing soap added to break the surface tension. This wet mix was applied to the lower hull, running gear, and fender edges and then allowed to air dry.

The next step involved removing the excess pigment using a round stiff-bristled brush. I wore a dust/sanding mask during this phase to avoid inhaling the very fine pigment particles.

The next adjustment was done using a combination of wet and dry q-tips to further remove and position the pigments in the desired locations.

That completed the build and then it was off to the photo booth!

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Posted by terry35 on Saturday, June 27, 2009 4:47 PM

Hi, Bill the results look great, I really like the way the grey worked out with the brown. To me it seems very well balance as in actual photos where you cannot tell if camo is applied. The dirt and dust look great, well restrained and still looking like a vehicle in service, in country and in combat. Almost a situation where the crew didn't quite get around to cleaning house. I can almost feel the engine rumbling.

Looks great,

Congrats Bill,

Terry.

 

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Posted by Schnobs on Saturday, June 27, 2009 5:16 PM

Congratulations Bill another fine effort and end product on your part!  I really appreciate your historical accuracy blended with a 'touch" of artistic license that is the hallmark of all your builds.

Like what has already been commented on your cammo blends in with the weathering so well that the camo pattern can almost be overlooked in a macro high defination shot much less a 1930's or 1940's analog photograph which captured far less detail.

Excellent work as always Bill!!  Thumbs Up [tup]

 

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Posted by Panther F on Saturday, June 27, 2009 6:03 PM
Outstanding Bill!  Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by Guney on Saturday, June 27, 2009 6:10 PM
It's very fine...Congrats Bill...Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by panzerguy on Saturday, June 27, 2009 7:10 PM
      

     Bill another beautiful piece to add to your growing collectionBow [bow].

     Just one question...what's #97 going to beTongue [:P]?  

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, June 27, 2009 7:19 PM

Terry, Edmund, Jeff, Gunney, thanks as always for the kind words.

 panzerguy wrote:

     Bill another beautiful piece to add to your growing collectionBow [bow].

     Just one question...what's #97 going to beTongue [:P]?  

Thanks Steve! The next one...funny that you should ask that question...it's something that was originally going to be #96 but got bumped to #97 when the Pz II arrived. It will be the Sdkfz 251/9 using the DML 3-in-1 kit. I may even be able to start on that tomorrow since I've got half the weekend still to go. Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Saturday, June 27, 2009 8:29 PM

Very good Bill. Lets see now 20 bonus points that would give you a grand total of 120 point score for your efforts.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 27, 2009 8:42 PM

Freakin' nice, Bill...realy fine work...

No wonder those early war two-tone panzer-grey schemes appear to be monomochromic: the two colors almost blend in in color; in B&W they are almost impossible to detect as separate colors...

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, June 27, 2009 10:13 PM

Thanks Tony! Sounds like a good score to me! Wink [;)]

MR,

Thanks for the comments as well...and now for my next act "Now You See It..."

"...And Now You Don't!"

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:40 AM
 wbill76 wrote:

Thanks Tony! Sounds like a good score to me! Wink [;)]

MR,

Thanks for the comments as well...and now for my next act "Now You See It..."

"...And Now You Don't!"

Yep, that's exactly what happpened during the war when pics were taken of the early scheme...makes it almost impossible to know exactly which vehicles carried it and for how long...that would make a good Fine Scale article...
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Posted by wing_nut on Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:23 AM
Up to your old tricks I see... turning out another beauty. Looking forward to the half track. 

Marc  

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Posted by ps1scw on Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:39 AM
 wbill76 wrote:

Thanks Tony! Sounds like a good score to me! Wink [;)]

MR,

Thanks for the comments as well...and now for my next act "Now You See It..."

"...And Now You Don't!"

I'm sure your Tropen Panzer IV would have a similar effect going from color to black and white.

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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:59 AM

Well.....I'm speachless......I don't know what was better, the model or the excellent description of weathering......what more can I say

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Sunday, June 28, 2009 10:57 AM
 panzerguy wrote:
      

     Bill another beautiful piece to add to your growing collectionBow [bow].

     Just one question...what's #97 going to beTongue [:P]?  



Ditto.
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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, June 28, 2009 11:11 AM

Marc, Mike, and Jim, thanks as always for the comments!

 Mansteins revenge wrote:
Yep, that's exactly what happpened during the war when pics were taken of the early scheme...makes it almost impossible to know exactly which vehicles carried it and for how long...that would make a good Fine Scale article...

I agree with you up to a point here MR. If you used only period photos, it would be tough to know as you point out and there's some debate as to whether or not this scheme universally was used on softskins and non-AFV weapons. There are color parade photos showing Sdkfz 7s for example in the two-tone scheme and also photos of Flak 18s in the pre-war three-tone scheme, suggesting that the use of schemes did apply further than just the AFVs. The case for the AFVs being painted in this scheme though is very strong in regards to the documented orders as researched by Jentz and Doyle for the time period of Nov 1938 to July 1940. AFVs not having the two-tone scheme by the time of the Polish campaign would've had the pre-war three tone scheme and not straight panzer gray if they hadn't been repainted in time (and photos exist of those types as well). I agree with you that an article in FSM on paint schemes and the vagaries of period photos would make for an excellent article for sure! Wink [;)]

 ps1scw wrote:
I'm sure your Tropen Panzer IV would have a similar effect going from color to black and white.

I did the same exercise then and the results were roughly the same...although not quite the disappearing act as with the dunkelgrau/dunkelbraun scenario.

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Posted by scratchmod on Tuesday, June 30, 2009 6:15 PM

  Much much to say that the others haven't already said Bill. Another excellent model. I'm looking forward to #97.

  That pic of your F2 reminds me that I still have to finish mine Banged Head [banghead].

  Top notch Bill.

 

 

Rob

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:37 PM
Thanks Rob! Better get crackin' on that IV F2, it's just dying to be wrecked! Wink [;)]
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Posted by Grem56 on Wednesday, July 1, 2009 1:39 AM

An excellent little panzer Bill. Looks fantastic. I enjoyed reading your descrpition of the weathering process. The pigment application to the roadwheels is like a "how to weather using pigments for dummies" (with me being the dummy at this point in time who will gladly make use of your tips).  A big Thumbs Up [tup] on this one.

Julian

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, July 1, 2009 9:54 AM
Thanks Julian, glad the description was helpful for you! Wink [;)]
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Posted by SMJmodeler on Wednesday, July 1, 2009 12:07 PM
 wbill76 wrote:

Bill: Top notch, sir...TOP NOTCH!!!  These two photos are exceptional!  There is something about the simplicity of this tank that I really like and your weathering is perfect!  I was looking forward to seeing how you handled the mud on the crosses and you definately didn't disappoint me on that!  It's well done, in just the right amount, and with enough "smear factor" to make it very convincing.

I'd have to say this one and your Tiger with the two-color camo' have to be my two fav's of your work.  Thanks again for the inspriration (my kit should arrive in a day or twoBig Smile [:D])  All around superlative work Bill! Bow [bow]

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, July 1, 2009 12:54 PM
Thanks Steve! Glad you like it and look forward to seeing what you do with yours. Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by jthurston on Wednesday, July 1, 2009 3:08 PM

Bill, I don't usually write a lot of "ooh, look how good that is" posts, but I gotta tell ya - this is one of the best builds I've seen in a very long time, maybe ever. The relative simplicity (although I'm sure there's a better word for it) of the subject, together with the subtleties of your shading and weathering, have combined to produce yet another top-notch build.

And that's the thing, brother. All of your builds are like this. You are a truly impressive modeler!

~Jerry

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, July 1, 2009 7:41 PM
Thanks Jerry, high praise indeed and I appreciate the kind words. Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by I make stuff on Wednesday, July 1, 2009 8:10 PM

I like it, Bill, I like it a lot.  Although I have tended towards larger, even paper, projects, I like these smaller tanks, I think you have inspired me to try an early monotone (yes, I paid attention, your is monotoneonly in b and w photos.)

Nicely done, very neat build, neat subject, subtle and effective weathering.

 

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Thursday, July 2, 2009 12:56 AM
A very good model indeed I must say, can't wait for #97!


Thanks, Jim
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