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The Runner-Up: DML Tiger (P) Complete 12-09-09

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Posted by wing_nut on Saturday, October 31, 2009 8:43 PM
WOOHOO... The one I voted forTongue [:P]  Will be watching with interest

Marc  

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Posted by bufflehead on Saturday, October 31, 2009 9:04 PM

This was my 2nd choice, but I'm still eagerly anticipating the build up! 

Bill, could this kit be built as the original prototype or only as it was used later in the war?  I'm not sure what the differences are other than the zimmerit.

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Posted by *INDY on Saturday, October 31, 2009 9:13 PM

~Yup Bill.....Just another night. I'm at the bench too.         boo        anyways!

~Great start on this, + I for 1 really appreciate the 1st class production you are making of this build-blog. I'll be checking back here.....with the kits you've selected to improve this Tiger, I don't see how you could go wrong.

Best of fortune with it !

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Posted by terry35 on Saturday, October 31, 2009 9:18 PM

Really how cool is that, super choice. I have one in the stash but don't think I would put so much "$'s" into it.  For me I think it would be a chance to see how these DS trracks work.

Nice one Bill,

Looking forward to this build,

Terry.

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:04 PM

Thanks Marc!

Adam, thanks for the interest! Some of the stuff isn't as involved as it might appear. For example, the LR set isn't very impressive...I thought it had full fenders to replace the kit parts when I first bought it but it turned out to only replace the treadplate pattern (and doesn't really add much even there when it does) so I won't be using very much from the set aside from stuff for the tools and the rear engine screen frames that it provides to dress up the kit details a bit. The set isn't heavy on parts to begin with and was one of the first sets that LR produced. I've had it for ages sitting in wait for this build to get its turn. I am very much looking forward to getting the JB barrel though! 

 bufflehead wrote:
This was my 2nd choice, but I'm still eagerly anticipating the build up! 

Bill, could this kit be built as the original prototype or only as it was used later in the war?  I'm not sure what the differences are other than the zimmerit.

Ernest, this particular kit is configured to represent only 1 vehicle, 003 in service as a befehlspanzer with the sPzJgAbt 653, since this was the only Tiger (P) gun-tank to actually see combat. OOB it has many of the Tiger (P) prototype characteristics but the chief difference is in the front superstructure plate. The kit parts don't have the right configuration to build this as anything other than #003. I'm not sure if there are AM parts out there that would give you the right superstructure plate or not if you're wanting to build one of the test vehicles?

 terry35 wrote:
Really how cool is that, super choice. I have one in the stash but don't think I would put so much "$'s" into it.  For me I think it would be a chance to see how these DS trracks work.

Nice one Bill,

Looking forward to this build

Terry, thanks as always for the interest and support. The DS tracks were one of the first attempts that DML made with them and ironically enough they were replaced with Magic tracks when they reissued this as a Premium kit. The tracks aren't that impressive IMHO, they are soft on detail and not up to the standard of current DS tracks. They were wrapped around the Dragon card so they have pretty pronounced kinks in them to boot. If you've got this one sitting in your stash and want to stay with the DS tracks, you might want to open up the box and release that tension and give them a hot water treatment so they can relax over time.

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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, November 1, 2009 6:08 AM

Off to a clean start!!!....With the low part count, but all the AM....it's like a small pan pizza with the works!Shock [:O].....Hummm..I'm getting hungry!

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, November 1, 2009 7:18 AM

Very cool project, Bill!

I built this sucker as a kitbash project from a VK prototype model and an Italeri Tiger about 8 months before it actually came out. Did a bit of scratchbuilding on the front panels and other details as per the vehicle from line drawings -- in my research, it was nearly impossible to find a good, definitive photo of that horizontal panel in question there. I would up zimming it just for continuity's sake.

The tracks are the regular VK kit rubber bands, held down with the ol' straight pin trick; the zimm is Squadron putty done with a razor saw blade.

 

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, November 1, 2009 10:00 AM

Mike, it's too early in the morning to be thinking about pizza! Laugh [(-D]

Karl,

I'm inclined to go the same route in terms of zimming the plate. It's just going to look wierd without anything on it. The best pic I could find that showed the area in question isn't very conclusive...it's low res and doesn't show the pattern that well on the hull front nevermind the horizontal plate.

I know that some of the standard Tiger Is received zim on this plate and some didn't...and the fact that the fenders are zimmed and that this vehicle was upgraded at the same time as the Ferdie-to-Elefant conversion and the Elefants are zimmed on that plate at least gives some circumstantial evidence to support zim being there. The Atak set includes strips for the kit-supplied turret if the resin turret isn't used so I may just cut those up and use them to cover that plate area to maintain consistency in the pattern.

Nice work on your conversion btw! Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by *INDY on Sunday, November 1, 2009 10:31 AM

~Yeah Doog ! Beautiful Tiger there. Another nice model...Man! we're getting a little sick of it!!!

Evil [}:)]Sign - Dots [#dots]Sigh [sigh]Big Smile [:D]    OK, Totally kidding ~~{ Keep showing sweet models please }

"To ZIM or not to zim, that is the question.....{Weather} it is nobler  on the sprue or in the disply case.........."

    I say either way, no ones's going to fault you on that one (the 'ole fall back of -do what looks right) Zim it!

 I like that photo dispite its imperfections

Note the Citroen Traction CV11's the germans have car-jacked and are shipping by train to thier little officers elsewhere.....now thats a well organized car-theft ring(among other things)

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Posted by hughes2682 on Sunday, November 1, 2009 5:25 PM
Bill,
I just came across this one. Not sure how I didn't see this one before now. Don't ever live under a rock!
Does this kit share the same hull and running gear as the Elefant/Ferdnand? I've got the Elefant in the stash and was thinking on building it soon. Just wondering about any pitfalls. Thank you.
Cheers
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Posted by panzerguy on Sunday, November 1, 2009 5:35 PM
 

   Great choice Bill! I was pushing for this oneTongue [:P].

   I know I'm chiming in a little late on the zimm decision but this same unit also fielded the Berg tiger (P)'s and they had the upper plate in question zimmed on those vehicles.

   By the way Voyager makes a pe set for this kit that includes the full fenders.

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Sunday, November 1, 2009 6:41 PM

Looking at that picture it sure looks like something is up there,zimm or lots of mud.

I don't think I voted for this one either.Sad [:(]

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, November 1, 2009 7:21 PM

 hughes2682 wrote:
Bill,
I just came across this one. Not sure how I didn't see this one before now. Don't ever live under a rock!
Does this kit share the same hull and running gear as the Elefant/Ferdnand? I've got the Elefant in the stash and was thinking on building it soon. Just wondering about any pitfalls. Thank you.
Cheers
Dave

Thanks Dave! No worries about living under a rock, yesterday was the first post on this thread so I don't think it passed you by! Wink [;)] This kit does indeed share the same hull and running gear as the Ferdie/Elefant since those were Tiger (P) hulls rebuilt as tank destroyers. Once you get beyond the lower hull though they of course have very different characteristics.

Steve, thanks for the additional info on the Berge (P)s, it makes sense to me that the plate should be zimmed and I was able to come up with a workable solution, will post on that momentarily. You're right about the Voyager set and I had looked into getting it after I had the Lion Roar set but ultimately decided against it in terms of additional cost vs. what it offered. Unless you want to bang up the fenders or pose the mud flaps, it doesn't really add much value to the equation given how little PE is needed for this particular vehicle.

Tony, no worries if you didn't support it in the voting...it was the runner-up after all! Wink [;)]

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, November 1, 2009 7:51 PM

Continuing on from yesterday's efforts, today was all about the zim! I completed Step 8 which calls for the installation of the angled rear hull extensions as well as the rear hull plate. The rear plate has 10 holes that need to be opened up to allow the installation of the tow pintle and heavy duty rear towing points, easily done with a #68 finger drill. I glued the rear plate to the hull and then added the necessary zim panel from the Atak set using Gator Grip glue and tacking down the edges where needed with CA gel. The Gator Grip glue is an acrylic binder so it provides a good working time to adjust things before it starts to set.

Step 9 deals with the installation of the front hull glacis plate and the tow pintles there as well. The kit plate was replaced in its entirety with the resin part from the Atak set and only minor adjustments were needed on the bottom surface to get it to fit in place. This one has to be glued carefully so I did several test fits before committing to the CA gel. The nose plate also received its zim panel and the hull tow points were also installed.

Step 10 calls for the installation of the superstructure front plate for the driver and hull MG positions. The Atak set offers two options here, one with the extra plate over the MG position and one without, which is a nice touch since it allows some flexibility in terms of modelling #003 earlier or later in its service life. I opted for the extra plate part and drilled out the mount in the ball to take a ModelPoint MG34 tank variant barrel I had as a spare in the AM box. I also skipped ahead a bit to Step 12 and installed the angled plates, parts A14 and A15, since they need to mate up properly with the superstructure plate. Before installing it in place, I used the unused turret zim strips in the Atak set and cut them up to zim the horizontal plate and I will add cutouts later to take the fender support braces once I get to that point in the installation. I haven't decided yet whether to use the kit braces or the Lion Roar and it will make a difference in size.

That set the stage to finally add the side hull zim panels. I removed all of the molded on locator marks that were still present on the sides to avoid interference with the panels laying flat and started at the front. The angled panels were added first followed by the side panels and then the rear panels. The same Gator Grip/CA gel combination was used and there were some gaps that resulted at the panel joins. The gaps were filled with putty and/or small strips of leftover zim from the Atak set as needed to smooth things out. On the superstructure front plate where it joins the angled sides Atak didn't mold zim so this was added using small cut-down strips as well to carry the pattern over to those small sections. 

That's as far as I got today and since I will be travelling to Sydney, Australia on business next Saturday, I won't get back to this one for a couple of weeks unfortunately. When I do get back to it the next steps will be add the upper hull plates and start work on the fenders and tools. 

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Sunday, November 1, 2009 8:22 PM

Don't it just make you feel so good when the plan all comes together?Party [party]

You leavin again?Reminds me of Furline Husky singin "Gone" Laugh [(-D]                                                  Tony the Mutt

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, November 2, 2009 7:53 AM
Thanks Tony! Yes, I'm travelling again for work. November is shaping up to be the busiest travel month in a long while for me so far, everyone ones to get things done before the holidays I guess! Wink [;)]
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Posted by I make stuff on Monday, November 2, 2009 2:25 PM

I've been wanting to see you do a BIG tiger, Bill, I can't wait to see how this one turns out.

Have safe travels, we'll be here when you get back.

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Posted by deafpanzer on Monday, November 2, 2009 3:11 PM

Bill,

Perhaps I can help... if you are coming to Indy area on a business trip, just bring your kit because you are very welcome to use my hobby desk.  That way I can get the best toot... I am looking forward to follow your work as usual!

Andy

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Posted by panzerguy on Monday, November 2, 2009 3:41 PM
 

  Australia, that's pretty cool Bill even if it is for business. Hope you're able to get a little sight seeing in and aren't stuck in a hotel room or meetings the whole time.

  Have a safe trip looking forward to your return and the updates.

     

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, November 2, 2009 6:15 PM

Bill and Steve thanks for the comments! I don't leave for Sydney until Saturday but appreciate the safe travel wishes all the same! I'm in Phoenix today and tomorrow so I'm travelling more than I'm home these days but only for a short time.

Andy, that sounds like a great offer! Will have to remember that if I'm ever up your way. Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by the doog on Monday, November 2, 2009 6:22 PM

Hey Bill, have a safe trip, as well! Smile [:)]

Better you than me, lol! (I'm sooooooo sick of traveling!) Sigh [sigh]

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Posted by satch_ip on Monday, November 2, 2009 7:01 PM
Captain [4:-)]Hope you're flying Delta!
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 2, 2009 8:32 PM

On the zimm issue...of course everyone knows that horizontal surfaces were "officialy" not to be zimmed, only vertical ones...A lot of folks talk about the plate in question being zimmed on Tigers but I actually don't believe I ever recall seeing a pic of that plate where you could actually make out ridges of zimm on it...some folks have also speculated that zimm paste was applied to that plate but not "patterned" with ridges, giving it sort of a "rough mud" look...

I tend to think the plate was not zimmed at the factory but might have been sometimes zimmed in the field (without ridges)...or it could be that area just tended to gather mud with the crew using it constantly as a step in mounting and dismounting...I'd love to see any pics that clearly show it zimmed with ridges..

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, November 2, 2009 11:00 PM

Karl, I hear you man...the novelty of travelling wore off a loooong time ago! Propeller [8-]

Satch, not Delta this time around although they too are a customer. Since I'm flying west I have no choice but to go with USAirways at least until SFO and then it's Qantas (they are providing the tickets) to Sydney and back.

Wayne, not a bad idea at all but don't think my corporate travel office will approve it! Laugh [(-D]

 Mansteins revenge wrote:

On the zimm issue...of course everyone knows that horizontal surfaces were "officialy" not to be zimmed, only vertical ones...A lot of folks talk about the plate in question being zimmed on Tigers but I actually don't believe I ever recall seeing a pic of that plate where you could actually make out ridges of zimm on it...some folks have also speculated that zimm paste was applied to that plate but not "patterned" with ridges, giving it sort of a "rough mud" look...

I tend to think the plate was not zimmed at the factory but might have been sometimes zimmed in the field (without ridges)...or it could be that area just tended to gather mud with the crew using it constantly as a step in mounting and dismounting...I'd love to see any pics that clearly show it zimmed with ridges..

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Very true MR and that's what gave me pause initially and may also be the reason that Atak didn't include a panel for this area. Ultimately the inconclusive nature of the Tiger (P) pic and the box art pushed me to go ahead and zim it. I'm not a Tiger expert and don't have any pics to hand that show clearly ridged zim...but you've got me curious now too. Big Smile [:D] 

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Posted by redleg12 on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 5:38 AM

Bill - I hear you on the travel...when you have almost a 500,000 frequent flyer miles and come vacation all you want to do is stay home....it's OLD

Travel Well. Be safe....look for a good hobby shop if you have time to kill.

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 6:08 AM
 wbill76 wrote:

The best pic I could find that showed the area in question isn't very conclusive...it's low res and doesn't show the pattern that well on the hull front nevermind the horizontal plate.

The Cavalier set has that panel included and I never gave it a second thought when I did mine a while back.  But If I had a set that didn't include it, and had your knowledge of armor, I might have questioned it too.  I am still at the stage that in many cases, if the sheet says, "Glue that thing there..." I do.  But I think is there some evidence in that pic that point to it being zimmed. 

Take a look at the graininess of the photo in different areas.  Look at the standing figure's right hand on the barrel.  The barrel itself is definitely not zimmed while the color under the hand is.  Look at the bevel just in front of the hand too.  The graininess of the photo is very different between the zimmed and smooth parts.  The grain where the guy is standing closely matches that by his hand.    There are enough angles of smooth on the barrel and of other zimmed area to assume it's not just a trick of the light.  While you may not be able to see the detail of the ridges that are lost in the large grains in the film, I think there is defiantly rougher texture there.  Mud?  Maybe. That evenly spread on the panel where he is standing?  Unlikely.

I have some extra generic zim if you need a piece.

Edit:  DOH.... I just looked back at your progress pics and see oyu have already zimmed that section.

Marc  

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 8:50 AM
 wing_nut wrote:
 wbill76 wrote:

The best pic I could find that showed the area in question isn't very conclusive...it's low res and doesn't show the pattern that well on the hull front nevermind the horizontal plate.

The Cavalier set has that panel included and I never gave it a second thought when I did mine a while back.  But If I had a set that didn't include it, and had your knowledge of armor, I might have questioned it too.  I am still at the stage that in many cases, if the sheet says, "Glue that thing there..." I do.  But I think is there some evidence in that pic that point to it being zimmed. 

Take a look at the graininess of the photo in different areas.  Look at the standing figure's right hand on the barrel.  The barrel itself is definitely not zimmed while the color under the hand is.  Look at the bevel just in front of the hand too.  The graininess of the photo is very different between the zimmed and smooth parts.  The grain where the guy is standing closely matches that by his hand.    There are enough angles of smooth on the barrel and of other zimmed area to assume it's not just a trick of the light.  While you may not be able to see the detail of the ridges that are lost in the large grains in the film, I think there is defiantly rougher texture there.  Mud?  Maybe. That evenly spread on the panel where he is standing?  Unlikely.

I have some extra generic zim if you need a piece.

Edit:  DOH.... I just looked back at your progress pics and see oyu have already zimmed that section.

I have some more pics of that tank on the Pzjgr 653 book that I will look at...
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 4, 2009 11:52 AM
 INDY wrote:

Note the Citroen Traction CV11's the germans have car-jacked and are shipping by train to thier little officers elsewhere.....now thats a well organized car-theft ring(among other things)

Oh, wow---you are right, and since we are both building that car, too cool...I am painting mine panzer grey and added a Notek light up front on the fender and a convoy light on the rear bumper...vignette to come very soon...any guess as to what colors those are on the railcars?
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Posted by scratchmod on Wednesday, November 4, 2009 8:23 PM

Sorry for not tuning in earlier Bill. Looks like your making good progress on this model, now hurry back and keep this build going with all the pics.

 

Rob

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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, November 5, 2009 9:11 AM

Thanks Rob!, will do my best as soon as my world travel tour is over, I promise! Wink [;)]

MR, I was thinking about this some more re: the horizontal zim question and there were definitely exceptions. The pattern on Stug IIIs and IVs for example comes to mind where the horizontal plate on the nose over the transmission/brakes is always zimmed. Same thing with Pz IVs...so I don't think it's that far-fetched for the Tiger I (P) area to be zimmed as well despite the "official" orders regarding which surfaces were or were not to be zimmed. What got zim did have a tendency to change over time...for example the Pz IV H sometimes even had zim on the schurzen plates depending on the time period in the production period.

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Posted by Glamdring on Thursday, November 5, 2009 4:47 PM
I'm loving this build Bill, I'm kind of disappointed that there aren't as many roadwheels on the Tiger (P) as on a normal Tiger.  Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

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Posted by *INDY on Thursday, November 5, 2009 7:33 PM
[quote user="Manstein's revenge"]
 INDY wrote:

Note the Citroen Traction CV11's the germans have car-jacked and are shipping by train to thier little officers elsewhere.....now thats a well organized car-theft ring(among other things)

Oh, wow---you are right, and since we are both building that car, too cool...I am painting mine panzer grey and added a Notek light up front on the fender and a convoy light on the rear bumper...vignette to come very soon...any guess as to what colors those are on the railcars?

~On closer inspection, it looks like only the rearmost car is a Citroen Traction for sure. If I had to guess I'd say it's an all-Silver car, like this one.

(My friend Marc's car, his photo)

~Although it could be dusty white(as common as silver) or it may be already Germanized and  repainted in dunkelgelb.     The car in front of it appears to be an Opal Saloon I'm guessing.

~On the zimmerrit ongoing debate(dare I?) This is really basic to the conversation(but sometimes that helps) a good rule-of-thumb in these difficult to determine cases, is anything that may be in reach by a footsoldier from the ground Likely was zimmed(vertical or no)

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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, November 5, 2009 11:03 PM

 Glamdring wrote:
I'm loving this build Bill, I'm kind of disappointed that there aren't as many roadwheels on the Tiger (P) as on a normal Tiger.  Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

That gave me a chuckle...it definitely is one of the chief model-related advantages to doing the Porsche suspension even if in reality it wasn't as reliable as the Henschel design. Laugh [(-D]

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Posted by SMJmodeler on Friday, November 6, 2009 2:37 PM
Hey Bill!  This was my choice for #100...I'm looking forward to this one!

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, November 6, 2009 5:33 PM
Thanks Steve! It's going to be hard not working on this one for a whole additional week but should give me something to look forward to in exchange for spending 14 hours in coach crossing the Pacific! Laugh [(-D]
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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, November 15, 2009 8:43 PM

After being away for a while, it felt good to get back to the bench this weekend and continue on with this project. After some careful study of the remaining hull assembly steps, I decided it was best to go ahead and deal with the hull PE details at this stage since it would make it much easier to work with the zimmed areas. The first order of business was to assemble the brackets for the tow cables. The Lion Roar set includes some very nice working hinged brackets but they are small and require some patience to assemble. The LR set also includes a length of 0.2mm diameter brass rod and I borrowed a trick from James Bella over on Armorama on how to assemble them. I removed the full set of 6 front hinge parts and bent their hinge fingers to shape around the length of the brass rod. This made it much easier to deal with them instead of trying to work them individually.

I then did the same thing with the opposite half of the bracket, threading it's little finger through and bending to shape. The whole unit could then be cut free of its neighbor, slid down the length of the rod to almost the end, and then a small dab of CA gel used to glue the rod in place. The ends were trimmed with sprue cutters and voila! hinged brackets.

Since the Atak zim only provided cutouts for the large hooks at the front, the rest of the locations had to be determined using the kit part as a template. I used a pencil to mark where each needed to go to maintain the necessary alignment, then carefully trimmed out the zim with a sharp #11 blade. The brackets were then glued in place with CA gel and the hinges left unsecured until after the cables get mounted later.

Next came the tool brackets for the left hull side. The kit-supplied part is molded with all three tools and brackets as a single piece and this meant they had to be split up and the molded on clamps removed. Before doing that, I used it as a template to mark out the general locations for the two shovels and axe with a pencil. Instead of the 3-piece LR clamps, I used three 2-piece clamps from a Griffon set I keep on hand as I prefer them for ease of assembly and attached them in the strip cutout in the Atak zim panel. Due to the location and size of the larger shovel, I had to mount it in position to avoid problems with the tow cable bracket underneath it but the short shovel and axe will get mounted later.

With that taken care of, it was time to return to the instruction assembly order and work on Step 11. I installed the fenders and rear mud flaps to both sides using a combination of regular and liquid glue. The LR PE fender brackets were designed for use with the LR plates and didn't work with the kit fenders in terms of size/height, so I opted to stay with the kit styrene parts. The instructions don't tell you this but you need to open up holes at the front and back on the fenders in order for the brackets to mount properly since they have pins molded on their underside. This was easily taken care of with a #68 finger drill before the fenders were mounted. I had some slight fit issues on both sides where the angled hull side mates up and some putty was needed to fill small gaps.

Once the fenders had set up, I completed the step by installing the hull top plate. This fit well at the rear and sides but the front had a significant gap along the right side that no amount of coaxing and pressure could close. I opted to close up the left side with glue and let it set and then used putty in the gap on the right side, recreating the weld seam detail there with a sharp #11 blade point after the putty had dried. I also installed the spare antenna rod case on the right fender where again the instructions failed to indicate there are 2 holes that need to be opened up on the underside but I'd caught on to this by now and was ready for it! The grab handles for the engine deck were installed along with the large rectangular access hatch to round things out for the day.

There's still more work to be done with the engine deck and rear fender details but that will have to wait until next weekend.

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Posted by hughes2682 on Sunday, November 15, 2009 8:51 PM
Bill,
You are a braver man than I. I wait until the last possible moment to put on small fiddlely parts. 'Cause otherwise I WILL break them off!

Glad you got back safely.

Cheers
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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:04 PM

Heeeesssss Back!!!   See all those travel juices built up to take on the tiny PE. Nice....I like the shovel....looks like a PIA and turned out nice.

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Posted by scratchmod on Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:17 PM

Welcome back Bill, and I must say what a great post. Some beautiful work with the PE, really adds a lot of detail to the model. But then this is what we expect from Wild Bill, nothing but perfection. Always a pleasure Bill.

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, November 16, 2009 8:59 AM

Dave, that's my normal method as well but had to make an exception in this case due to the location and handling required to get the stuff mounted. Once the fenders are on for example the tow cable brackets are almost inaccessible! Thanks for the comments!

Mike, yes it's good to be back! The long shovel was a bit of a PITA...had to do a lot of careful trimming to remove the shovel head on the kit part and get it sized down to take the PE replacement. It's worth it though as the kit part was pretty chunky!

Rob, thanks for the comments and for stopping by! Wink [;)]

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Posted by the doog on Monday, November 16, 2009 9:22 AM

Welcome back, Bill!

The kit's looking good for sure!

Its funny; watching you build this, I'm reliving all the research and scratchbuilding I had to do to build mine a few years ago. Man, it sure would have been easier with some sharp-looking PE like you've got going here! lol.

It's rockin'! Cool [8D]

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Posted by hughes2682 on Monday, November 16, 2009 10:15 AM
Bill,
Thank you for the tip as I've got a PE set for my Elefant. You just saved me a lot of woulda, coulda, shoulda.
Cheers
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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, November 16, 2009 10:32 AM
Welcome home Bill.  Must feel good to be able to settle down at the bech to relax.  Looks good too.  Nice tip on the hinges.

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, November 16, 2009 2:38 PM

Karl, the LR PE definitely adds value...I can only imagine what your scratch-build effort must have been like! The DML-supplied tow cable brackets are PE steel for the tow cables and totally unusable as a result...very stiff, I think they were replaced in the "Premium" version with brass but not 100% sure on that.

Dave, I'm happy to hear the tip is helpful! I stole it off another modeler who got tired of working things like that one at a time...amazing how a little frustration can often create the necessary spark!

Marc, thanks for the welcome back. It took me all day Friday and most of Saturday just to ge re-oriented back to the right day/timezone. Going out to Sydney is always easier than coming back...the dateline is a killer...I took off from SYD at 3:20pm on Thursday the 12th and landed at LAX at 9:10am on the 12th, proving that it is indeed possible to travel back in time! Laugh [(-D]

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Posted by lexesbenz on Monday, November 16, 2009 2:53 PM
Hey Bill, do you have a link to the hinge technique over on armorama? I looked but couldn't find it. The zimmerit seems to have gone on nicely, have you ever done your own?
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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, November 16, 2009 7:03 PM

 lexesbenz wrote:
Hey Bill, do you have a link to the hinge technique over on armorama? I looked but couldn't find it. The zimmerit seems to have gone on nicely, have you ever done your own?

Here you go LB: http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=143409#1198433

I've never done my own zim for a whole vehicle although I have done sections when needed on builds before. I generally prefer to go the Atak or Cavalier route for convenience sake more than anything else. Wink [;)]

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Posted by lexesbenz on Monday, November 16, 2009 10:48 PM
Thanks Bill. I used atak zimmerit on a tiger 1 that came out ok, but trying to blend the edges was a pain, anyway I lost so many parts to that kit I figured I would just turn it into a scrap heap one of these days.......scratchmod style lol. My god that technique looks so simple compared to others I have seen!!
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Posted by dupes on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:12 PM
Bill - reaaaaaly don't know how I missed the start of this one. Interesting project of a not-frequently modeled subject. The zim looks great...and those workable hinges are top notch! Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:38 PM

LB, glad it's helpful for you! The first time I read it I thought it was so simple and obvious a solution but had always done it the "hard" way one at a time myself. It's in my favorites so I can refer back to it whenever i have to tackle that kind of thing as a reminder. Got to love being able to get tips like that via online forums for sure! Wink [;)] As for the zim, I've read about some being able to stretch the resin panels using hot water but that's never really worked for me and I usually just go with the putty work on the seams/joins as a routine thing when dealing with this type of media.

 dupes wrote:
Bill - reaaaaaly don't know how I missed the start of this one. Interesting project of a not-frequently modeled subject. The zim looks great...and those workable hinges are top notch! Thumbs Up [tup]

Thanks Marc, this one started a couple of weeks ago then went quiet while I was in Sydney but is now back on track. The Tiger P is a "one off" in every sense of the word and I've had this kit for several years now as it patiently waited its turn. If it hadn't come in as the runner-up it probably would've waited some more until I actually got to it if I'm truthful! Laugh [(-D] Glad you like the zim and the hinges, they were time consuming but worth it.

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Posted by terry35 on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 3:38 PM

Glad to see you back Bill, have one of these inthe stash, interesting build so far. Looking forward to seeing this one progress.

Terry.

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 6:05 PM
Thanks Terry! The weekend is fast approaching so should be able to get some time in on it again soon.
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Posted by SMJmodeler on Thursday, November 19, 2009 1:27 PM

 wbill76 wrote:
Thanks Terry! The weekend is fast approaching so should be able to get some time in on it again soon.

Sounds good Bill!  What's the ETA on the first coat of paint?

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Posted by lexesbenz on Thursday, November 19, 2009 3:20 PM
Yeah that is a great tecnique, It will help a lot!! as for stretching resin panels ehhhh I think I will just stick with blending the edges with putty lol.
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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, November 19, 2009 4:33 PM
Thanks Steve, the ETA for paint is still TBD! Laugh [(-D]
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Posted by Nachtflieger on Thursday, November 19, 2009 4:56 PM

Looking good Bill.Thumbs Up [tup] I've got this one in the stash also, and am watching your build closely.Smile [:)]

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, November 19, 2009 8:27 PM
Thanks Nate, appreciate the comments and the interest. Wink [;)]
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Posted by Bodge on Friday, November 20, 2009 7:46 AM
Nice job Bill but can i ask why you have changed the way the zim pattern is facing on the angle parts at the front, as youve done the rest horizontal then why are these verticle?
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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, November 20, 2009 9:16 AM

 Bodge wrote:
Nice job Bill but can i ask why you have changed the way the zim pattern is facing on the angle parts at the front, as youve done the rest horizontal then why are these verticle?

Andy,

It's not a decision that I made, that's how the Atak set created the pattern. Seems to match up with the photos though and at first I thought it was an error too. I'm guessing that due to the small space/angled nature, the factory crew that applied it changed the pattern to fit the space...but that's just speculation on my part. Wink [;)]

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, November 22, 2009 8:31 PM

This weekend was a very productive one but didn't quite get all of the construction complete, which means I'll have a little bit still to do this holiday weekend before I can start painting.

First order of business was to add the zim panels for the front and rear mud flaps that I didn't get to last time. These were attached using the same combination of Gator Grip and CA gel as the hull panels but a little bit more trimming was necessary around the edges to get everything lined up. With that out of the way, I continued on with Step 12 in the instructions and added the remaining front hull details in the form of the Bosch lights and the periscope guards. The instructions have an error regarding the bases of the Bosch lights, the parts numbers are reversed in the instructions from the way they ought to install. The bases also have a half-post socket but unfortunately the way the light posts are molded, it is necessary to remove the little step on the post in order to mount the lights facing in the right direction. I also added some detail by drilling small holes with a #72 finger drill in the base of the lights and in the hull panel and using short lengths of 0.5mm diameter solder to create the wiring conduits.  I used the LR PE periscope guards in place of the kit supplied items and used some Squadron White putty to fill in the gaps in the hull roof since the PE items are thinner than the kit parts.

Step 12 also calls for the installation of the side and rear intakes on the engine deck. The rear intake is supposed to have two framed screens and the LR set replicates this beautifully using bent brass rod frames and PE mesh but their assembly is very intricate. To accomplish this, I used some T-pins and a piece of fiber-board as a set of "extra hands" to hold the rod frame and mesh in place and then used tweezers and the tip of a #11 blade to bend the mesh "fingers" over the rod and secure the mesh in place.

The screens were then glued down in place over the intakes with CA gel and the four small support posts at the front added by using short lengths of styrene rod cut to size and glued in position with regular glue. The side intakes were assembled and the DML provided brass screens added as well to complete the step.

Step 13 adds more details to the rear deck in the form of the hinge blocks, rear fender supports, antenna mounts, rear Notek light, the jack, and the sledge hammer. I drilled out the antenna bases with a #72 finger drill before gluing them into position in preparation for installing brass antennas later on. The sledgehammer mount was replaced with the LR PE cover for the head and a Griffon clamp for the handle.

Step 14 begins work on the turret and main gun so this meant my first order of business was to assemble the RB Model Tiger I initial barrel to replace the two-part kit barrel. Since the muzzle brake threads on just like on the real thing, it's important to attach/assemble the barrel completely first before mounting to the turret to insure proper alignment.

Since the Atak set replaced the turret in its entirety with a resin turret shell and separate roof, I assembled the mantlet using the Atak zimmed resin exterior mantlet and interior styrene mount parts. The coaxial MG's muzzle was drilled out with a #76 finger drill since it was molded solid and installed as well. The mantlet was able to elevate since I didn't apply any glue yet to the mount pins on the inside and the barrel was installed. The fit inside the outer sleeve was a bit loose and CA gel by itself wasn't strong enough to hold the barrel in position, so I mixed up a small amount of Aves Apoxiesculpt two-part putty and applied that in a thin layer around the base and then inserted the barrel into the sleeve, allowing the putty to ooze out a bit around the sleeve and trimming that excess away with a knife point to restore the small gap around the barrel for the recoil. I propped up the turret and barrel and let gravity do the work for me while the putty hardened over a couple of hours.  This effectively completed the work called for in Step 15.

While the barrel was setting up, I worked on the turret roof. Atak provides a full resin roof part that accurately places the pilzen crane sockets and also has some very nice weld detail around the cupola and hatches. I assembled the commander's cupola as called for in Step 17 and also added the loader's hatch and fume extraction fan cover as outlined in Step 16. I didn't notice until just now that I forgot to add the grab handle to the loader's hatch, will take care of that shortly. With the gun barrel set, I did a test of the turret to the hull to determine what elevation the barrel needed to be at since it was too heavy to hold position on its own and then applied CA gel and liquid glue to the mount pins and let that set up. The turret roof was then installed to complete Step 16. I added the LR bracket mounts for the smoke grenade launchers from Step 17 and also added the LR PE strip that creates the small rain drain holes around the edge of the commander's cupola. I added the smoke signal basket to the rear of the cupola from Step 18 but didn't quite get to the rest of that step before having to call a halt for the night.

Not much is left, just need to work on the rear turret basket and spare track mounts before this one will be ready for paint.

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Monday, November 23, 2009 12:41 AM

Nice construction Bill and you're about to make short order of this one.Approve [^]

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Posted by bufflehead on Monday, November 23, 2009 1:13 AM
This big cat is coming along nicely Bill!  Love the detailing!! I have to get me a set of Atak zim!!  Didn't know that they included an entire turret assembly with that set....NIICE!!

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Posted by lexesbenz on Monday, November 23, 2009 1:39 AM
Looking good so far Bill.
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Posted by redleg12 on Monday, November 23, 2009 5:21 AM

Nice work, I like the use of the T pins....sounds delicate. Bill and resin.....something I have not seen very often. The Zim looks greatWink [;)]

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, November 23, 2009 9:16 AM

Thanks Tony and LB!

 bufflehead wrote:
This big cat is coming along nicely Bill!  Love the detailing!! I have to get me a set of Atak zim!!  Didn't know that they included an entire turret assembly with that set....NIICE!!

Ernest, this particular set is very nice in that the inclusion of the turret as resin not only replicates the zim required but also corrects some of the errors seen on the original kit turret. Normally Atak will include replacement parts where panels don't make sense (like the mantlet or nose plate for example) but a full resin turret (that is hollow so it's not as heavy as a brick!) really sets this one apart.

Mike, it's not often that I work with full resin but it has its uses for sure in this particular build. Definitely presents a different set of challenges in terms of gluing and such but otherwise not too tough! Thanks for the comments! Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by dupes on Monday, November 23, 2009 11:22 AM
Bill - looks really good up to this point. Nice PE work - good idea w/the pins. Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, November 23, 2009 12:42 PM
Looks great Bill. Looking forward to the painting satge. And that is quite a plus getting the entire turret as a resin piece.  1 up on the Cavalier set

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, November 23, 2009 1:41 PM

Thanks dupes! Since I had to secure two parts (the frame and the mesh) in order for it to work, it took a bit of head scratching and trial-and-error before I settled on the T-pins. Masking tape didn't work because it would hold the mesh but not the frame for example! The T-pin approach is one I'd used before for soldering stuff and after struggling for around 15 minutes with how to get this done, the light bulb finally went on and it went a lot smoother after that. Wink [;)]

 wing_nut wrote:
Looks great Bill. Looking forward to the painting satge. And that is quite a plus getting the entire turret as a resin piece.  1 up on the Cavalier set

Marc, thanks for the comments and have to agree 100% on the value-for-the-money on the Atak set vs. the Cavalier set. That's ultimately what sold me on this set way back when and Atak packages it in a sturdy box so there's no worry about it getting damaged in shipping either.

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Posted by scratchmod on Monday, November 23, 2009 5:38 PM

making good progress on this Bill, I really like the looks of the PE, adds that extra touch to liven up the model. I too look forward to the painting stages.

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, November 23, 2009 6:54 PM
Thanks Rob, glad to have you along for the ride! Wink [;)]
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Posted by panzerguy on Monday, November 23, 2009 10:23 PM
 

     Bill #101 is looking great! You just got to love that Atak including the whole turret. Makes life a whole lot easierBig Smile [:D].

     I've been giving a lot of thought into getting this kit. Just cant decide if I want to get the premium edition or go with this kit that your working with along with the Voyager pe set and some MK tracks. After seeing how nice that barrel looks that would be a must have also.

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Posted by Schnobs on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 12:23 AM

I have been watching this one closely Bill and it occured tome I have not posted on this one!

Sorry my freind I have been preoccupied!  Looks excellent as is your quality bar!

i can;t wait to see paint on this one!

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:21 AM

 panzerguy wrote:
  I've been giving a lot of thought into getting this kit. Just cant decide if I want to get the premium edition or go with this kit that your working with along with the Voyager pe set and some MK tracks. After seeing how nice that barrel looks that would be a must have also.

Thanks Steve, appreciate the comments! I opted not to get the Premium kit because I already had this one in the stash and had begun acquiring stuff for it. The Premium kit doesn't have zim but does correct the turret question in relation to the escape hatch features not seen on the standard kit turret. IIRC the Premium kit also includes an aluminum barrel with a styrene muzzle brake and has more PE brass instead of the awful PE steel parts in the standard kit. All depends I guess on the price and availability of one kit over the other vs. your total spend $$. Wink [;)]

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Posted by hughes2682 on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:50 AM
Bill,
Now that beast is something only a mother, or modeler could love. You are doing this build some serious justice. Fantastic work sir. Thank you for posting your progress. This has been a joy to follow.
Cheers
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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 1:44 PM
Thanks Dave! I agree with you about the "ugly duckling" aspect to this vehicle...it's got that awkward/nose-heavy profile with the turret and gun sticking way out in front that just doesn't quite look right to me. Hard to believe that the same guy who designed this also gave us the Porsche sports car line isn't it! Laugh [(-D]
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Posted by treadwell on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:59 PM

Magnificent, Bill  : )

You are a master of the intricate. 

Both in your execution of the builds and the fine tutorial way they are written.

I know I don,t respond often, but I read all your posts, every word-- I guess I just run out of adjectives. 

 This is a really cool ugly duckling!

tread  : )

   

 

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Posted by Jester75 on Thursday, November 26, 2009 10:56 AM
That is definetely one ugly looking Tiger but your build of it is stunning!! I have looked at this one many times before on the clearance rack at HL and you really cant tell by the box art just how far forward the turret sits on this beast!

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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, November 26, 2009 12:59 PM

Thanks tread for the comments and the interest. You humble me considering the level of details and intricate work you put in on your builds. Wink [;)] Thanks for following along!

Eric, thanks for the kind words as well. You're right about the box art perspective, it has the turret posed at an angle which makes it look more like the "conventional" Tiger profile vs. how it actually looked. The reason the turret sits so far forward is the engine layout and types used in the Porsche design, the engines take up fully half the hull length leaving no other choice but to squish the fighting compartment and turret ring forward!  

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, November 27, 2009 4:03 PM

Managed to squeeze in a little bit of work in between turkey and shopping over the holiday. The last remaining bit of business before painting was the rear turret details, so I proceeded to complete Step 18 by adding the spare track links and rear turret bin.

The Atak turret rear replicates the plate on the DML turret perfectly and I didn't have any fit issues, just had to be careful to place the links in the correct spot as each one is shaped a little differently due to the curve of the turret. I had hoped that I could detail the links and install them later but due to their placement and how they fit in with the turret bin that wasn't possible. I used a #68 finger drill to drill out the open track pin holes on the links at either end of the runs for a little more detail and then used CA gel to glue them to the resin turret and regular glue to each other to complete the runs.

Next I assembled the turret bin and used a #11 blade to remove the molded-on bin latches and replaced them with the 3-part Lion Roar PE parts. The bin was then installed to the turret rear.

Test fit with the hull showed the bin had plenty of clearance all-around and also helps balance out the overall look of the turret relative to the hull.

Tomorrow should see the paint work start if the weather holds up!

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Posted by panzerguy on Friday, November 27, 2009 5:58 PM
  

   Bill I have to disagree on the ugly duckling comparison. The more I see this build progress the better it looks to me. I think this one-off Tiger is very cool and will have to be added to the collection. I've checked out the premium edition and have decided that's the one for me.

   Looking forward to your painting update.

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, November 27, 2009 6:41 PM
Thanks Steve! Just have to keep in mind how the ugly duckling story ends up is all, right? Wink [;)] Glad to hear it's inspired you to add this one to your collection!
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Posted by redleg12 on Friday, November 27, 2009 6:46 PM

A little pepto.....some cookies...some more turkey...some shopping and presto...

Nice work on a full stomach and tired feet (or fingers if on the internet).

You need to get an all weather painting solution!! Hummmm.......maybe Santa

Hope the weather holds up for your painting.

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, November 27, 2009 6:52 PM

Thanks Mike! Actually did a little of both in regards to shopping. Didn't camp out like some of the crazies who had to be up at 4 am in an attempt to get gadget X but instead was content to shop a bit online (ordered Spielberger's Pz I&II and a Panasonic Blu-ray player) and do some research (new washer and drier) before heading to the store to order said washer and drier.

As for the all-weather painting solution...I have one, it's called the "garage"! It just depends on whether or not I can stand to be out there to get the job done or not! Wink [;)] Tomorrow is supposed to be relatively warm so I think I'll be ok...life in the desert can be tough when the temperature drops. Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by the doog on Friday, November 27, 2009 7:19 PM

Looking cool, Bill.

You're going to have a heck of a time painting those tracks in there behind the bin though--might better have left off that bin until later, and attached it with superglue?

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, November 27, 2009 7:59 PM

 the doog wrote:
Looking cool, Bill. You're going to have a heck of a time painting those tracks in there behind the bin though--might better have left off that bin until later, and attached it with superglue?

Thanks Karl! So long as I can see it, I can paint it. Since the turret is detachable from the hull, I can attack them from both the top and the bottom so I'm not too concerned although I would've preferred it otherwise of course. The attachment points for the bin to the resin are very small so it was more important to get a solid join and line up with the styrene parts prior to painting. That and the fact that I need the bin to be incorporated into the paint scheme made the choice for me even with the downside. I've got some very fine detail brushes that will allow me to get into the tight spaces, it just will take longer than if I'd been able to paint them separately. Wink [;)]

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Posted by hughes2682 on Friday, November 27, 2009 9:39 PM
Bill,
This is looking superb! I agree, IMHO, the bin does help to visually balance the turret on the hull. Stunning!
Cheers
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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, November 28, 2009 9:40 AM
Thanks Dave! Weather is supposed to be good today although tomorrow and Monday they are saying there's a chance of snow! That means I'll have to make the most of it I guess before the cold front moves in.
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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Saturday, November 28, 2009 10:07 AM

Every now and then i'll run across a picture of this tank and the turret is almost always turned to face the rear and I suppose the balance issue is the reason.

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, November 28, 2009 10:22 AM

 Pvt Mutt wrote:
Every now and then i'll run across a picture of this tank and the turret is almost always turned to face the rear and I suppose the balance issue is the reason.

That's true Tony, there are quite a few pics out there of #003 showing it moving around in the field with the turret turned towards the rear. The pics of it entrained however always have the gun facing forward. My guess is that when moving in the field having the gun toward the rear accomplished a key improvement, it shortened the overall length of the vehicle, making it easier for the driver to maneuver and probably gave the driver a better view through the periscopes given their placement relative to the turret. I don't think it would've necessarily changed the weight characteristics due to the way the suspension is designed but it certainly would've made life easier on the driver I think!  

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Posted by terry35 on Saturday, November 28, 2009 3:19 PM

Looking forward to seeing you get the paint down. Good luck Bill.

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, November 28, 2009 5:45 PM
Thanks Terry, pics of the paint work to follow shortly. Wink [;)]
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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, November 28, 2009 6:00 PM

The weather held up as hoped for today so I spent a good solid 4-5 hours out in the garage getting the paint on this build. First order of business was to apply a primer/pre-shade coat of enamel Italian Dark Brown. This allowed me to check all the previous putty work, made sure I didn't have any bare plastic areas, and provided a solid foundation for all of the metal parts for the base coat.

After the primer coat, I mixed up a full bottle of enamel 50-50 Light Gray/Panzer Dunkelgelb as I knew this one was going to require a lot of paint. The addition of the zim dramatically increases the surface area so I applied the base coat in a series of multiple passes both horizontal and vertical to insure good all-around coverage.

The camo pattern was applied next. I applied the Rotbraun first, using an enamel mix of 50-50 Leather/Military Brown and laying down the pattern free-hand with the kit instructions finishing guide and box art as a general template. The Olivegrun was applied next using enamel Khaki. I cleaned up over spray where needed using the base coat mix and then once satisfied with the pattern, I thinned down the remaining base coat in the paint cup to almost wash consistency. This was sprayed as an overall mist coat with the model about 12" away from the airbrush in order to tie the scheme together.

Depending on how things go tomorrow, I should be able to get the tracks done and installed along with the road wheels.

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Posted by terry35 on Saturday, November 28, 2009 6:40 PM

Yeah thats what I wanted to see. I was looking at the cupola hatch and just remembered the signal port...Looks brilliant.

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Posted by wing_nut on Saturday, November 28, 2009 6:44 PM

WOW Bill that looks SWEET!  Real nice AB work.

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Saturday, November 28, 2009 7:08 PM

Whoa Bill your brush work is superb guy.Thumbs Up [tup] Glad you had a good day out there, ours was not to shabby around here if I do say so myself.

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, November 28, 2009 8:05 PM

Thanks Marc and Tony!

 terry35 wrote:
Yeah thats what I wanted to see. I was looking at the cupola hatch and just remembered the signal port...Looks brilliant.

Terry, glad you got a chance to see it right away since I know you often don't check in for a few days at a time. Wink [;)] The hole in the cupola hatch seems to be without a cover as near as I can tell from the various reference photos. All of the shots that show it open don't show a hinged cover on either the inside or the outside and it's supposed to accomodate a rabbit-ears scissors periscope based on the notes at Dave Byrden's site. I'm seriously thinking of adding a set from the spares bin but haven't yet made the final decision just yet.

Wayne, thanks for the comments and whatever weather you've got now is what is going to hit tomorrow/Monday I think! They are talking about very cold temps with moisture, the very recipe for snow/icy conditions around here so we'll see. The locals go nuts at the first sign of any white stuff! Laugh [(-D]

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Posted by hughes2682 on Saturday, November 28, 2009 8:30 PM
Bill,
Very nice to see color on the cat. It almost seems a shame sometimes, especially when you've put on some fiddley PE. All the same it looks good in color.
Cheers
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Posted by redleg12 on Saturday, November 28, 2009 8:32 PM

Impressive.....most impressive. Nice work with the AB. Great camo....and it was a perfect weekend, you could have a turkey sandwich between coats!! Wink [;)]

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Posted by panzerguy on Saturday, November 28, 2009 9:53 PM

   Bill that camo looks great! I can't wait to see it after you apply the washes and blend it all togetherTongue [:P]. Don't know why but for some reason I thought this particular vehicle was done in a two-tone scheme.

   By the way do you have any info on what became of this Tiger?

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Posted by I make stuff on Sunday, November 29, 2009 1:37 AM

That's some VERY nice, tight AB work, Bill.  The big cat looks great so far, can't wait to see it finished.

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Posted by scratchmod on Sunday, November 29, 2009 8:21 AM

Awesome looking camo Bill, but then again we wouldn't expect anything less from you. I'll be watch the next step, the weathering, closely.

Rob

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, November 29, 2009 11:16 AM

Dave, thanks for the comments and I hear you about covering up the PE work at times! This one had to move on though towards the finish line!

Mike, no turkey sandwiches for me thankfully. Nothing against turkey mind you but I have a limit and by yeseterday it had been reached! Wink [;)] This is going to be the last scheme done with my current AB as the trigger mechanism is going out on me and making life difficult after many years of loyal service.

 panzerguy wrote:
Bill that camo looks great! I can't wait to see it after you apply the washes and blend it all togetherTongue [:P]. Don't know why but for some reason I thought this particular vehicle was done in a two-tone scheme.

By the way do you have any info on what became of this Tiger?

Steve, this particular vehicle had a long and varied career serving with the 653 sPzJgAbt both before and after the Ferdie-to-Elefant upgrades. As a result I'm sure it sported different schemes during its lifetime so a two-tone wouldn't be out of the question for an earlier Kursk-type scenario. Since I built it as the later-in-life configuration after the rebuild, I went with the three tone. The kit guide doesn't provide any info on a two-tone scheme but the Kursk Ferdies would offer a good template I would think. This particular vehicle didn't survive the war but I don't know exactly when/how it was lost. There's a pic showing it entrained (along with the famous Pz IV turret on a Panther hull vehicle) and in rather beaten-up condition so it had a long service life relatively speaking of course.

Bill, thanks for the kind words! It will need to sit for a little while for the paint to cure but should be moving on in the details department in the meantime!

Rob, you and me both! I'm looking forward to the weathering process since this one's got a lot of "canvas" to play with. Just have to treat it a little different due to the zim pattern but nothing too outrageous.

 

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, November 29, 2009 5:01 PM

Nice squiggly paint job there, Bill!

Cool pattern!

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, November 29, 2009 6:47 PM
Thanks Karl! Wink [;)]
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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, November 29, 2009 8:20 PM

As the Thanksgiving holiday weekend comes to a close, I was able to get quite a bit done today even though the weather outside was cold and miserable! Yesterday when I painted the exterior I also painted the road wheels. These were mounted on toothpicks with small amounts of blue-tack poster putty for ease of handling and received the same primer-and-base coat treatment as the rest of the vehicle.

Since these are all-steel wheels, I needed to create a bare metal surface where the wheels contact the tracks. To do this, the first step was to apply some Non-Buffing Metalizer Gunmetal with a square tip brush to avoid getting any on the exposed exterior.

Next I dry brushed some enamel Steel with a round 0 sable brush to lighten the effect of the metalizer while still retaining the darker underlying tone.

The last step was the application of a roughly 90/10 thinner/Raw Umber enamel wash with the same round 0 sable brush. I applied the wash with careful strokes in the direction the wheel would travel in order to smooth out the previous dry brushing a bit and avoid lifting the paint in the process.

The wheels were then mounted to the suspension on both sides. Not much of the wheels are exposed once the tracks are mounted but what is visible has a very convincing look relative to the DY painted exterior surfaces and will provide a good platform for the later pigment weathering.

Speaking of that platform, I also added some pre-weathering preparation in the form of some dry brushed Steel to the sprocket guide teeth followed by some dry brushed Burnt Umber. I also lightly stippled some Burnt Umber on the lower hull sides and the road wheels to simulate some light scuffing/wear. The wear on the hull won't be too visible but it's there for the curious.

I had assembled the MK replacement tracks a little bit at a time here and there over the last couple of weeks and the MK-recommended 108 links was spot on. I test fit both sides just to be sure and while one side is slightly longer than the other, the adjustable idlers are able to take up the slack where needed vs. adding extra links.

The tracks were removed and I dared the cold in the garage to paint them. I applied a primer coat of enamel Flat Black by airbrush and followed that up with the main coat of Non-buffing Metalizer Gunmetal. The metalizer is lacquer-based so the enamel coat helps insure the lacquer doesn't attack the delicate hinge pins and cause the links to separate unexpectedly.  The tracks were given the same treatment as the bare steel surfaces of the road wheels.

Once the wash had dried, I fitted the tracks to both sides and completed their installation.

It will now sit for the week until next weekend and that should give the paint plenty of time to cure up before I finish up with the remaining details and then start the weathering process.

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Sunday, November 29, 2009 8:42 PM

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, December 4, 2009 8:01 PM

Throughout the week I tinkered a bit here and there with adding the various remaining small details. For example the spare tracks on the back of the turret were detailed using Non-buffing Metalizer Gunmetal carefully applied with a detail brush, then lightly dry brushed with Steel, and given an overall wash of Rust to round out their look.

The remaining pioneer tools and tow cables were also added. The tools had their metal heads base coated with the same metalizer Gunmetal and lightly dry brushed with Steel to show some wear/use. The wood handles were painted with a custom mix of "wood" brown color I keep on hand and then given a light wash of thinned enamel Leather. For the tow cables, I used the kit-supplied ends and braided wire however I did run into a minor problem with the kit instructions. The instructions incorrectly indicate that the length of the cable, excluding the ends, should be 220mm when in fact that's the length the total cable, including the ends, should be. Careful measuring was required to get the wire cut to the right length and then added to the ends to make it all fit properly on the hangers. Once everything was the correct length, I applied the metalizer Gunmetal to the wire and then secured it in place by gluing the Lion Roar brackets closed with CA gel and securing them with the provided PE wing-nuts from the fret.

With that out of the way, I applied a sealing coat of Future acrylic floor polish by airbrush and allowed that to air dry before adding the decals. The decals required several careful applications of Solvaset and very gentle prodding with a wooden toothpick to get them to conform to the zim pattern but eventually they snugged down tight. Once the decals had thoroughly dried, I applied a 2nd coat of Future to seal them in and protect them during the weathering process.

If all goes according to plan, the weathering should be done this weekend so stay tuned!

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Friday, December 4, 2009 8:27 PM

Well you did get in there and paint that section of spare track didin ya.Thumbs Up [tup] The cable and tools always look good so that's no surprise.Approve [^]

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Posted by panzerguy on Friday, December 4, 2009 8:46 PM
 

   Just keeps getting better and better every update BillTongue [:P]! Please do a side by side with an Ausf H when this guy is done.

  I appreciated the background info also Bill, thanksThumbs Up [tup].

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Posted by redleg12 on Saturday, December 5, 2009 6:33 AM

Nit and Nats all take time.....plus the holidays.....bench time is hard to find

Nice work on the details. Especially the decals, which on that surface could be a PIA.

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Posted by the doog on Saturday, December 5, 2009 8:24 AM

That paint job is just looking cooler and cooler all the time, Bill!

Really a neat looking model!

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Posted by wing_nut on Saturday, December 5, 2009 8:51 AM
Seems a shame to call it a "runner-up"Wink [;)]

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Posted by scratchmod on Saturday, December 5, 2009 9:17 AM

Ya baby, it's the weekend and Bill's doing the weathering, this is what I was waiting for. I'll be waiting for the next update, paitiently.

Rob

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, December 5, 2009 10:30 AM

Thanks Tony, took a little bit of careful maneuvering with some 10/0 pointed brushes in a couple of spots but managed to get 'er done. Big Smile [:D]

 panzerguy wrote:
   Just keeps getting better and better every update BillTongue [:P]! Please do a side by side with an Ausf H when this guy is done.

  I appreciated the background info also Bill, thanksThumbs Up [tup].

No problem Steve, will see what I can do when this one's finished. It isn't all that different in terms of size/dimensions from a standard Tiger I (I assume that's what you mean by an Ausf H anyhow!). Wink [;)]

Mike, getting decals to lay down over a zimmed surface is always an exercise in patience. Solvaset is the best thing for this IMHO and the DML Cartograf decals responded very well to the multiple treatments.

Karl, thanks for dropping by and for the comments. I hope you survived your Pennsylvania adventure! Wink [;)]

Marc, well every election has to have a winner and a loser...sometimes the 'loser' still wins out in the long-run so think of it as having still 'won' a place on the bench. Were it not for the close vote, it likely would've had a much longer sit time before it's number was called up.

Rob, I hope not to disappoint or keep you waiting too long...expect an update on Sunday or Monday depending on how things shake out. Wink [;)]

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Posted by dupes on Saturday, December 5, 2009 4:22 PM
Mmmmmm...niiiiice. Big Smile [:D]Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, December 5, 2009 5:29 PM
Thanks Marc, glad you like so far! Wink [;)]
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Posted by panzer88 on Sunday, December 6, 2009 8:19 AM
Looking sweet. I love the camo.

     

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, December 6, 2009 11:56 AM
Thanks David! I spent the day yesterday in "Darth Vader" mode with the breather mask on while working with the weathering. My wife popped in and made me say "Luke, IIIIII Am Your Father" just so should get laugh hysterically. Laugh [(-D]
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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, December 6, 2009 7:24 PM

This weekend was a good one for getting some time in at the bench and I started in on the weathering process as the next phase of effort. The first step was an overall application of thinned enamel Raw Umber as a wash. The wash is roughly 90% thinner and I applied it liberally with a round sable brush as the foundation for the next steps. 

Next was the application of dot filters consisting of Flat White, Panzer Dunkelgelb, Panzer Olivgrun, Raw Sienna, and very very small amounts of Deep Yellow. Due to the nature of the zimmed surfaces, instead of using downward strokes, I used sideways strokes that matched the "grain" of the zim pattern on the different surfaces.

This was followed by a pin wash application of thinned enamel Burnt Umber to all the raised detail, weld seams, and panel lines.

Some minor adjustments were made using a clean brush and thinner here and there and then the entire vehicle was sealed with a coat of Testors Lusterless Flat in the spray-can.

All that's left at this point is the pigment treatment for the tracks and running gear. Almost to the finish line!

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Posted by NucMedTech on Tuesday, December 8, 2009 12:55 PM

WBill- This is coming along great. Will this be weathered heavily? Not sure of the length of service, but I remember you saying that you had a pic of one pretty beat up. ( or maybe it was someone else, or a different tank, or a... ah to much rattling around in my brain!!)

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, December 8, 2009 1:12 PM

Stephen,

Thanks for the comments! It's not going to be too heavily weathered, just some pigments on the tracks and suspension is all that I'm planning in addition to what you see already in place with the filters and washes. There are pics of it in pretty battered condition on a railcar in transit but that's not what I'm going for.

It's nice to see the forums are back up...I like the new look and feel but will have to get used to some things being different (like your smiley being gone!). Surprise

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Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, December 8, 2009 11:31 PM

Much progress has been made since I last checked. Cool camo.

Yes, the new forums will take a bit of adjusting, but I'm sure it will be better in the long run

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 9:12 AM

Thanks Eric, glad you're getting caught up with this one. It's very close to the finish line now, I got the pigments on last night since my wife has had Christmas concerts at her school and I've been "home alone" all this week.

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 1:49 PM

How sweet it is!  And the march to #200 starts with a hit.  Nice Bill.

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 2:15 PM

Thanks Marc! Journy of a thousand miles starts with gluing your fingers to the bench! Wink

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 2:42 PM

a very nice looking build, those steel rimed tires are very cool, nice job! I am looking forward to seeing some pigments on that baby!

 

 

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Posted by scratchmod on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 2:53 PM

Very very nice Bill. You know I've been waiting for this part of the build and you haven't let me down. Once those tracks get weathered this baby is going to look awesome.

Rob

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 5:01 PM

Thanks Jim and Rob! This one is now in the "done" column.

My wife has had Christmas concerts all this week which has left me "home alone" in the evenings, so I broke my usual rule about only working on the weekends and managed to get this one done.

The remaining work involved applying pigments to the tracks and suspension, this was done using a 50-50 mix of Mig Dark Mud and Europe Dust pigments. The pigments were combined with water (with a drop of dish soap added to break the surface tension) and applied as a wet mixture with a brush and allowed to air dry.

I used a square tip stiff bristled brush to remove excess pigment and then went to work with some wet and dry q-tips to further fine tune the look.

The last remaining detail was the addition of the brass 2m antenna rods to the rear hull. These were glued in place with CA gel and once set, were painted with Non-buffing Metalizer Gunmetal.

With that final item taken care of, it was off to the photo booth for the walk-around shots.

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Posted by espins1 on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 5:09 PM

Very nice work as always Bill!  Cool

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 5:13 PM

Thanks Scott, nice to see you around here again!

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 5:23 PM

Thanks Wayne!

I think it was one of the Steve's who asked for a side-by-side with a regular Tiger I. Here it is, they aren''t all that different size-wise with the Tiger P having a longer hull of the two.

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Posted by espins1 on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 5:31 PM

No surprise there with the longer hull.  That thing has two gasoline engines driving two electrical generators which in turn drive the two electric motors.  Very advanced for it's day, but heavy and expensive and used a lot of copper, a critical war material.

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 5:43 PM

Another stellar performance Bill.

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Posted by terry35 on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 7:08 PM

Another beauty Bill. Havve one of these in the stash but can't find the stash, I haven't been too active as I have building work going on in the house and my work room is getting a new wooden floor, no more carpet monster I hope.

Congrats again bill, just as an after thought, for the 100th build this would have been my own second choice anyway.

Terry.

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 7:10 PM

Cool stuff!! That is some sweet weathering that you've done there!!

 

        Thanks, Jim

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 7:25 PM

Good Gosh Oh Girdy Sweet Child of Mine that looks fine as frog hair William.YesCool

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Posted by ps1scw on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 7:28 PM

Very sexy Stick out tongue

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Posted by redleg12 on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 7:32 PM

Looking at your completed builds is like going to the jewelry store....just another gemYes

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 8:31 PM

Scott,

Very true...the power system on this one was very complex and advanced. That was always the problem with Porsche's designs and why increasingly they lost out to simpler and more mechanically reliable, relatively speaking of course, designs from the likes of Henschel. Beer

Marc, Jim, Tony, ps1, and Mike, thanks for the comments as always!

terry,

I'm sure it will be all worth it once the work is done, just hope the withdrawals aren't hitting you too hard along the way! As for banishing the carpet monster...the new floor just means that your parts will now fly farther and faster! Zip it!

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Posted by detailfreak on Thursday, December 10, 2009 5:47 AM

It would be nice to see the power train layout so that a person could see the complexity and the way the hull was crammed full of high voltage.Bill:Another notch on the airbrush eh.wonderful job as usual.taking a break now or diving right back in for more?Stick out tongue

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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, December 10, 2009 9:00 AM

Thanks detailfreak! The workbench never rests....next up will be DML's old Imperial Series Pz III G in N. Afrika colors. Beer

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Posted by the doog on Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:55 AM

wbill76

 

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Love it, Bill!

This shot reminds me of the Sports car and the minivan in the driveway, lol!

What great-looking models!

Love the "new" addition. "Papa" should be proud! Big Smile

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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:58 PM

Thanks Karl! I like the driveway analogy although considering the weight of both vehicles I'm not sure which one would qualify as the sports car! Big Smile

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Posted by espins1 on Thursday, December 10, 2009 3:52 PM

Slightly off topic - I have a Ferdinand Premium Edition, with the Verlinden Interior.  I'm also planning on scratchbuilding the electric motors and generators etc. so it will have that complex drivetrain  :)

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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, December 10, 2009 5:21 PM

You're a brave man indeed Scott, ought to be a fun project!

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Posted by deafpanzer on Friday, December 11, 2009 11:29 AM

Man, your Tigers look great as usual!  I hate to bring this up but you will have to talk with my wife because she wasn't happy that I had to buy that kit DML Tiger (P) last weekend when I was at the hobby store just to buy a bottle of paint.  Stick out tongue

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Posted by hughes2682 on Friday, December 11, 2009 11:58 AM

Bill,

That sir, is a nicely done beastieYesYesYes.  It would have been interesting to know what one of these beasts sounded like.

CheersBeer

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, December 11, 2009 12:30 PM

Andy, I claim no responsibility for impulse-induced kit purchases or any resulting marital strife that may result from one of my builds! [whstl]  Glad you like it and thanks for the compliment!

Dave, that's an interesting thought...considering the fact that they still used gas-powered generators I imagine they wouldn't have sounded all that different from a normal Tiger?

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Posted by NucMedTech on Friday, December 11, 2009 12:31 PM

Bill-That came out great.  I like the forward look that it has. Wonder if the driver's area was more confined than on the production Tiger.

-StephenCowboy

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

  • Member since
    July 2004
  • From: Texas
Posted by wbill76 on Friday, December 11, 2009 12:35 PM

Stephen,

I think it's likely given how much the turret overhangs that area, you've got more competition for space there as well as for ammo storage, so I doubt it was very roomy in there for the driver.

  • Member since
    November 2006
  • From: Coastal Maine
Posted by dupes on Friday, December 11, 2009 3:46 PM

wbill76

http://www.bpmodels.net/Model/TigerP/Finish/Finish9.jpg

Bill - love it! Probably even more so since it's parked next to my all-time favorite build of yours. Not sure what it is about that Tiger, but ever since I saw it almost 3 years ago now, it's been at the top of my list. Yes

  • Member since
    July 2004
  • From: Texas
Posted by wbill76 on Friday, December 11, 2009 6:01 PM

Thanks Marc! I had a feeling you'd like the choice of comparison vehicle! Cowboy

  • Member since
    March 2003
  • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
Posted by tigerman on Friday, December 11, 2009 10:22 PM

Hi Bill, congrats on your latest wonderful WIP. Up to your ususal high standards. Love that camo.

Could you humor me if possible? I know it won't work perfectly, but I would love to see the turret centered on the top of the hull. I always liked the Porsche suspension, but thought the turret was too far forward. I think it would look so much better centered. Thanks.

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

  • Member since
    July 2004
  • From: Texas
Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, December 12, 2009 11:24 AM

Thanks Eric, appreciate the comments! Unfortunately I can't honor your request...now that the radio antennas are in position, I can't remove the turret from the ring due to the placement of the tabs on the bottom. If you look up at the side-by-side with the Henschel Tiger you'll get roughly the same idea as the center point on the Henschel is about the center point on the Porsche...and the turret and gun dimensions are exactly the same. Wink

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