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Posted by dupes on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:54 PM

Hey Rob! Thanks for checking in! Cool

I'll do my best to keep cranking out the pics...I'd like to have this done in a couple of weeks for my modeling club's monthly meeting.

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Posted by scratchmod on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:58 PM

A couple of weeks eh, should be no problem since the building part is done and the fun has started. I'll keep watching. Hope to see this baby at Valleycon in March  Wink !!!!

 

Rob

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Posted by dupes on Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:42 PM

Left off with the lower part of the hull getting done. Since then, I haven't been able to sit down for any long periods, so I did a bit of work on the stowage and figs. Scrounged through my Type 61 and Type 74 kits to come up with any more applicable stowage. Did find the aforementioned set of skis, as well as the winter-clad crew:

Did a bunch of cleanup work on them, as well as the resin set I had kicking around, plus the guys that came with the ammo-loading set. Not sure if they'll be included or not, but figured they could get primed with everyone else.

Finally today I was able to get the hull halves buttoned up. Slight warpage issue (in a Tamiya? surprising), but some judicious use of clamps seems to have straightened that out a bit. After that, proceeded on to spray the first of the two camo colors! Followed the Tamiya instructions - which differed significantly from the box art - to freehand the green.

Up later tonight will be color two to fill in the remaining black areas...although I wish I could leave it that way! Looks sinister! After reviewing the instructions from the T61 and T74, am wondering if I should just spray Flat Earth for the second color - it's what Tamiya used to recommend for Japanese tanks rather than the 49/51/64 blend. Certainly would produce much more consistent color if I had to make any changes. Hmmm.

No internet on Sundays for me (I keep trying to talk the coffee shop into opening), so hopefully a solid update on Monday!

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Posted by wing_nut on Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:32 PM

Dude you are really ripping through this build. Lovin' it so far.

Marc  

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Sunday, January 24, 2010 6:24 AM

Looking good Dupes! Looking forward to seeing the winter camo on it.........that's gonna look awesome!

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, January 24, 2010 6:50 AM

Moving with speed and efficiency....waiting to see spots!!

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by Phil_H on Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:21 AM

dupes
Up later tonight will be color two to fill in the remaining black areas...although I wish I could leave it that way! Looks sinister! After reviewing the instructions from the T61 and T74, am wondering if I should just spray Flat Earth for the second color - it's what Tamiya used to recommend for Japanese tanks rather than the 49/51/64 blend. Certainly would produce much more consistent color if I had to make any changes. Hmmm.

Hey Dupes, she's looking good so far. I'm surprised Tamiya didn't recommend their own JGSDF colours - XF-72 Brown (JGSDF)  and XF-73  Dark Green (JGSDF)

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Posted by dupes on Monday, January 25, 2010 8:49 AM

Phil - I'm pretty surprised myself, especially since I didn't know Tamiya made those colors! Surprise Went down to the LHS, and sure enough, his rack stops at XF-66...which would explain me not knowing about those. Huh. I'm guessing they're recent releases, and the instructions are just outdated. They must have used whatever they had kicking around for the 61/74 (35164+168 I think), come up with a better formula for the later kits like the Type 90 (35230 or somewhere in that region), and then just decided to make a line of Japanese-specific colors.

At least I know what to do next time. Big Smile

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Posted by dupes on Monday, January 25, 2010 8:51 AM

Mr.Leg, Nate, Wingy - thanks for looking in! I have a largish update coming this morning once I can get all of my pics dialup-ed into PhotoBucket. Stay tuned. Wink

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Posted by Phil_H on Monday, January 25, 2010 9:20 AM

dupes

Phil - I'm pretty surprised myself, especially since I didn't know Tamiya made those colors! Surprise Went down to the LHS, and sure enough, his rack stops at XF-66...which would explain me not knowing about those. Huh. I'm guessing they're recent releases, and the instructions are just outdated. They must have used whatever they had kicking around for the 61/74 (35164+168 I think), come up with a better formula for the later kits like the Type 90 (35230 or somewhere in that region), and then just decided to make a line of Japanese-specific colors.

At least I know what to do next time. Big Smile

LOL - sounds like your LHS needs a new paint rack, as XF's 67, 68 and 69 are the 3 NATO cam colours, which I'm sure you're going to need at some stage. Smile

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Posted by dupes on Monday, January 25, 2010 9:39 AM

You know, the funny thing is that I have those...must have picked them up from Squadron or Great Models or something. Heh. His paint rack looks like vintage 1989 or so - not sure I'll be able to talk him into ponying up for a new one! Zip it!

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Posted by p38jl on Monday, January 25, 2010 9:42 AM

Marc: Maybe we could sign a petition??...lol   Huh?

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Posted by dupes on Monday, January 25, 2010 10:00 AM

It was a busy weekend for me at the bench...probably would have gotten even more done had there not been two great football games, and had Walmart not had a sale on DVD box sets of Battlestar Galactica. Alien

Saturday night I sprayed the second of the two camo colors. I did end up going with just straight Flat Earth (XF-52), giving the parts of the lower hull that had already been basecoated a quick overspray. Freehanded this just like the green, and tried to put less paint onto the edges of the panels to keep a bit of the pre-shade caused by the black primer coat. After an hour or so, got to here:

Sunday morning saw a couple of touchups for places that I missed (mostly nooks and crannies) before spot-coating the areas that would receive decal markings with Future. Allowed it to dry for an hour or so before applying them. With a bit of Micro-Sol to lay them into, they all went down with no issues despite being typical "Tamiya thick".

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Posted by dupes on Monday, January 25, 2010 10:23 AM

Then it was on to the tough part....replicating the white spots. The route I decided to go down (which ended up working like a charm, as you'll see shortly) was to start by printing out one of the reference pics for this scheme in as close to 1/35 scale as I could manage. Didn't hit it exactly, but close enough for government work!

From the printout, I cut a couple of repetitions of the scheme I would need to make my template. Took my scrap sheet of styrene from the back of my spray booth and cut a piece off that was about the right width, with enough left over to use as a handle, and to cut down on the amount of overspray. Laid one of the cutouts on top of it to use as a guide to punch out all of the holes.

Turns out that a hole punch was almost exactly the right size for the medium circles so those were very simple to lay in. All of the smaller ones were matched up with different sized bits that I ran through with my Dremel, continuing to hold the paper in place over the styrene sheet. The largest one was too big for any of my bits, so I ended up using the hole punch 6 or 7 times, then smoothing out the edges with a sanding bit in the Dremel as well as some old fashioned 400 grit sandpaper. It isn't perfectly round, but will have to do.

A quick test shot of how the scale looks - again, not perfect, but pretty darn close!

Mixed up some thin flat white - about 30%/70% paint to thinner. Needed to keep it flowing very easily, and judging by the photos (especially over the markings) didn't want it to be too opaque. The process was remarkably fast, 30-40 minutes tops of spraying through the template. There were a few places where there were obstructions that didn't allow the template to get as close to the model's surface as I would have liked, but the results overall were more than satisfactory:

A good bit of detail painting to get to tonight, as well as starting to play around with the sheet/tarp materials. After that it's off to the weathering races - all suggestions will be happily accepted! Big Smile

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, January 25, 2010 10:33 AM

3 things come to mind.

1st is "Tiny Bubbles" by Don Ho

2nd is when Bugs would try to make Daffy think he was sick and seeing spots by painting them in a room

ans 3rd.  that is FREAKIN" AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!

Marc  

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Posted by p38jl on Monday, January 25, 2010 10:43 AM

Wow.. very sweet Marc... makes me think of the Road Runner and Wile-E Coyote and his Acme hole formula... lol..

 

Very nice job.. !!ToastYesYes

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Posted by waikong on Monday, January 25, 2010 12:26 PM

Love it! I've lurking here waiting for the spots! The idea with the photo enlargement and the masks is a great idea.

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Posted by bbrowniii on Monday, January 25, 2010 1:08 PM

Marc

That is superb!  I love it.  I did not realize from the photos that you had posted that you were going to carry the pattern up onto the hull and the turret roof.  I had actually wondered how you were going to deal with that, but now I see.  Great job!!

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, January 25, 2010 2:25 PM

Very very nice work Marc with the template. Looks "spot on"! Wink

I've thought about using a similar method for the "disc" style camo used by the Germans and am filing this one away for future reference in terms of creating a template. Yes

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Posted by ajlafleche on Monday, January 25, 2010 2:37 PM

Just caught up with this thread...looking forward to seeing this in person. Someone had one at AMPS East in 2007.

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Posted by bbrowniii on Monday, January 25, 2010 3:05 PM

wbill76

Very very nice work Marc with the template. Looks "spot on"! Wink

I've thought about using a similar method for the "disc" style camo used by the Germans and am filing this one away for future reference in terms of creating a template. Yes

Yeah, Marc, sorry I forgot to mention it, but that template of yours is the sh....uh, the poop...Whistling

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by panzerguy on Monday, January 25, 2010 4:16 PM

  Now thats freaking coolCool! Well done dupes that is spot on.

 More builds like this and I may just have to give some modern stuff a try.

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Posted by Phil_H on Monday, January 25, 2010 6:05 PM

Whoa... Simply stunning. You did an awesome job with the stencil. One of the rare times one doesn't want white to cover well. Big Smile

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Posted by dupes on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:36 AM

Thanks s s *report me* ton guys! This one is coming out even better than I had hoped it might. However, I'm starting to reach that point where I'm going to need some help - what can I do to weather this monster that isn't going to aversely affect the white paint? I don't really want to "brown it all out" with raw/burnt umber washes, do I? Any and all weathering advice gladly accepted!

Al - great shots of that one from AMPS...I missed it (my first was '08), was hoping no one had brought one in "recent memory". Oh well, maybe everyone forgot...Whistling

Side note - I would like to reply in s s *report me* more timely fashion to you fellas, but as of the forum re-design, I can no longer make replies to the forum via my phone (Safari won't accept whatever new coding there is) which was my only way to do so after work or the coffee shop. Ugh. Give me all of your phone numbers, and I'll be sure to give you s s *report me* call. Heh.

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Posted by bbrowniii on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:13 PM

dupes

 s s *report me*

I saw a bunch of these pop up over in Manny's thread.  What the heck is this?  Dupes, you using bad words again??

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by BrownEyes on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:14 PM

I love it!  Its so funky and cool.  And I think its awesome! Great Job!!!

Propeller

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Posted by dupes on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:15 PM

WTF? If I remember correctly, I typed "Give me all of your phone numbers, and I'll be sure to give you a call". How did it get to "Give me all of your phone numbers, and I'll be sure to give you s s *report me* call"???

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Posted by p38jl on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:29 PM

Angel mine is 1-900.......

 

Zip it!lol

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Posted by deafpanzer on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:42 PM

I will be following your work because I really like the camo scheme!

Sorry about the Jets... now you can root for the Colts. GRIN  No question the Jets will be a great team for next few years if that young QB Mark continues to play well and keep Patriots out of the play offs.

Andy

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Posted by SMJmodeler on Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:15 AM

Dupes: Dang It...I have got to find more time to get on this forum! 

Where the heck did you find that camo' scheme?   I FRIGGIN' LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I had a chance to score that kit at SYRCON for cheap, too...man am I regretting it nowBoo Hoo  I would have loved to try that for "Winter Warriors, III, Snowed In!"

I'll have to scan thru this thread a bit and see how you're coming along!

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