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DML Bison II Complete 04-28-12

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  • From: GERMANY
Posted by Melchior on Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:49 PM

@ Tony: if not too much trouble show the guys what I've sent you concerning the mounting of gun in that small and tiny (!!!) compartment of Bison II  !!!

And we have try to find more informations, looked for amodification to get the limber hooked up ... no chance, it's not possible by use of this kit.

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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, February 16, 2012 3:29 PM

Yes.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 16, 2012 3:02 PM

Does that aluminum barrel have rifling?

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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, February 16, 2012 2:23 PM

Quite the score there Andy! My current stash stands at 72 unbuilt kits (not counting accessories and other items, just kits in the box) and at one time was over 100. I rarely add kits to the stash now unless it's a subject I a) don't already have and b) have an interest in. It is always a good idea to snag kits you're interested in when the price is right...as some of them can become hard to find as time goes by depending.

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  • From: Carmel, IN
Posted by deafpanzer on Wednesday, February 15, 2012 9:31 PM

wbill76

Andy, Tony's got a great idea...just blame me! Sprue Brothers is where I got mine from during their Black Friday sale...same price as yours.

I think I should warn you and Tony to vanish and hide for a while... my wife may be looking for you.  Of course you can take some of your stash with you to keep you entertained.  Look what has arrived at my doorstep today...

Screw my New Year resolution... my stash count hasn't hit 50 yet so its still a small stash. 

Bill- You were correct... this Bison II is real NICE set!  Came loaded with pretty everything that I don't have to bother ordering aftermarket sets except for figures of course. Wink

Tony- Thank you for letting me know about the big sale at Sprue Brother earlier.  Owe you Beer...

Andy

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, February 12, 2012 8:03 PM

Mike, the little voice in the back of my head was telling me to wait but I didn't listen...the other voice saying that I should test out the instruction order instead was just a tad louder and offered donuts! Wink I did however give some thought to the necessary areas for paint coverage and that's why the gun is removable from the recoil tray, the recoil tray is fully elevatable, etc. All that will help get paint in all the little nooks and crannies.

Andy, Tony's got a great idea...just blame me! Sprue Brothers is where I got mine from during their Black Friday sale...same price as yours.

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Sunday, February 12, 2012 6:55 PM

Let lay the blame on Bill.he lives a lot farther from us.Black Eye

Tony leeAngel

Shoot Low Boys They're Ridin Ponys

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Posted by deafpanzer on Sunday, February 12, 2012 6:45 PM

wbill76

Andy, I definitely recommend adding the kit to your wish list if you're a fan of open topped SPGs. This one has a unique look to it and is light years better than the Alan kit for sure. The aluminum barrel is a kit-supplied item and includes very nice fine rifling detail on the muzzle as well.

Thanks for the recommendation! Beer  With Tony's help he sent me a PM that Sprue Brothers was selling Bison kit for only $29.99.  Placed an order... I doubt I can find a better deal at upcoming shows in April. 

Just report me missing if you don't hear from me in few days... hope my wife doesn't find out I brought THREE kits this week.  Thank you Tony and Dupes. LOL!  I love this forum... 

 

Andy

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  • From: New Jersey
Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, February 12, 2012 6:41 PM

Bill - Nice progress. I always make it a habit to leave off the hand wheels and sights until the last minute. The are broken sooooo easy. Painting this guy could be challenging to get complete coverage like under the barrel or between the lower carriage and the upper carriage. It is one of the reasons I ale the "assembly" method....make painting easier.

Nice weekend wrap up

Rounds Complete!!

 

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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  • From: Texas
Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, February 12, 2012 12:06 PM

Tony, no kidding about that! The gun assembly involves about 80 parts when everything is included (PE details, gun sight, etc.).

Andy, I definitely recommend adding the kit to your wish list if you're a fan of open topped SPGs. This one has a unique look to it and is light years better than the Alan kit for sure. The aluminum barrel is a kit-supplied item and includes very nice fine rifling detail on the muzzle as well.

Karl, DML raised the detail bar as the sIG33 is a mountain of fine rivets and bolts all over the place and they captured it beautifully. As far as planned paint schemes, this one will receive the authorized two-tone Tropen scheme for December '41 (two-thirds RAL 8000, one-third RAL 7008, what Testors Model Master enamel line designates as "Afrika Grunbraun" and "Afrika Khakibraun") as that is when the 12 units were shipped over to Africa after the program was cancelled. There's no such thing as "Desert Yellow" in German paint schemes, that's a Tamiya invention! Wink  

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, February 12, 2012 11:47 AM

WOW, Bill, that gun is as busy as the waffentrager's. Boy, it's amazing the level of detail they're putting into these things these days.

Looking great--I'll be interested to see how you paint this....Desert Yellow?

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  • From: Carmel, IN
Posted by deafpanzer on Sunday, February 12, 2012 9:19 AM

Folks at Dragon- You'd be an idiot not to hire Bill as a consultant to review your crappy instructions.  

Bill-  Great process! Yes You and Tony... trying to get us to buy those Bison kits.  I think I am going to add it to my wish list.  I am not sure if I missed this... does it come with the aluminum barrel too?  

Looking forward to see it with paint next... 

 

Andy

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 11, 2012 11:19 PM

I love your Bison and want to ride it...

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  • From: S.W. Missouri
Posted by Pvt Mutt on Saturday, February 11, 2012 10:33 PM

You are on a roll Big Guy,on a rollToast

I told you the gun was a kit by it selfToast

Burn Baby BurnCowboy

Tony lee

Shoot Low Boys They're Ridin Ponys

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, February 11, 2012 6:28 PM

Made a lot of progress with the build and completed the sIG 33 gun. Work on this begins in Steps 15 and 16 and deals with the sides of the gun carriage. One of the expedient characteristics of the Bison II was the fact that they essentially took a regular sIG33 and plopped it into a Pz II modified hull with very little changes to the actual sIG33 itself.

I did a couple of modifications. I drilled out the holes in the gun sight elevation/range calculation mechanism to provide some detail and I held off installing parts A26/27 until I had added the rear spade plate in Step 17 (not that it really matters much as that entire portion gets hidden away by the rear compartments). I also didn't install the optics portion of the gun sight as those are provided as clear parts and I want to detail them separately before installation later on.

In hindsight, I would have held off installing the hand wheels as their attachment points are very small and in subsequent steps they had a tendency to be in the way and get knocked off repeatedly.

Steps 17 and 18 add parts to the interior and exterior and bring the two halves of the gun mount together. You have to give some thought to this in terms of the order you do this as there are a lot of parts that all have to line up just so to keep the halves in alignment. I found that the best approach was gluing all the necessary inside parts to the right frame side as called for, then gluing the two halves together, then adding all the different additional detail parts. The one exception was part A50, this has a very snug fit at the front and should be added before gluing the halves together. 

One area that you have to be extremely careful with is adding the rear spade and towing eye. These are essential to line up the gun carriage correctly in the vehicle lower hull but there's no guide provided to get the spade exactly centered, so I broke out my small metal mm ruler and used that to insure I got things centered correctly before committing to glue.

Step 19 is a very involved step. It assembles the gun and recoil sled as well as the recoil housing trays. A small amount of putty was needed along the join line of the breech halves but otherwise the gun itself assembled cleanly. I left the breech block removable to facilitate detail painting later on. The gun itself is also removable for the same reason.
 

That took me to Step 20 and deals with the front splinter shields. The instruction diagram isn't too clear on exactly how the support arms for the left side shield should install...you need to have the curved support inside the L shaped support in order for it to line up properly to the holes on the gun mount. I added the support rods first and test fit them to insure they held at the right angle and let them set a bit before installing the shields to the gun mount. I left off the PE chalk boards for now and will add them later after painting.

I also did a test fit with all of the other hull interior components to make sure I had things aligned correctly.

Now everything is broken down and the interior is ready for painting which is the next step to come!

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  • From: Texas
Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:23 PM

Thanks Terry, glad to have you pop in now and then! Beer

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  • From: Dublin Rep Of Ireland
Posted by terry35 on Saturday, February 4, 2012 5:52 PM

Just popping into check your progress, yep it looks crowded........looking good Will pop back to check your progress.

All the best Bill.

Terry.

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, February 4, 2012 4:30 PM

Karl, definitely a croweded little gun-buggy, no question about it! Happy to help with pointing out the kit's little traps and foibles along the way...hopefully it helps others have a more enjoyable build when they decide to tackle it. Painting will have to be done in modular sections with the interior set up the way it is...the sIG33 gun will get built next and that will really crowd things once it is in place!

Mike, have to keep you on your toes! I'm thoroughly convinced that whoever does DML's instructions doesn't have any connection with the actual engineering or build process of the kit. That's the problem with CAD-based stuff in this regard I think and without any bridging QA/QC to go with it, they are bound to have defects...it's just a question of how many! Propeller

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  • From: New Jersey
Posted by redleg12 on Saturday, February 4, 2012 6:50 AM

Sneaky ..... a mid week posting by Bill .....he must be testing us. I have to agree with some previous comments.... you need to review and correct Dragon's dumb directions. Before they put a new kit out the should send it to you for corrections to the instructions.

Moving along nicely.

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by the doog on Friday, February 3, 2012 10:28 PM

Geez, it looks like you've got your hands full with this one, Bill. Thanks again for calling out all the snafu's--your WIPs are invaluable for all these great observations and tips. Smile

It's looking pretty busy in that interior in the directions! Should be fun to paint!

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, February 3, 2012 7:03 PM

Andy, well if DML ever does decide to invest in quality instructions I would be happy to render my services! Wink I suppose it's not ever going to happen though for whatever reason...I've yet to build a DML kit in 10+ years that didn't have at least 1 error somewhere in the instructions. This kit does have a real doozy in the final step though. I scanned it below so you can see it...look closely at the right side of the fighting compartment and I bet you'll figure it out. Wink

Tony, I had come across the same info and the box that sits on top of the rear hull is large enough to accomodate 7 rounds (DML even provides the inserts in them if you decide to show the box open, a nice touch IMHO) or maybe 8 depending on how it was actually constructed. Judging from the one overhead color shot that you had posted in your Bison II build thread the large box seems to make more sense to me vs the two rounds. Plus I'm not a big fan of the way DML did the rounds with them molded together with the rack/holder so the box won out. Thanks for the encouragement!

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  • From: S.W. Missouri
Posted by Pvt Mutt on Friday, February 3, 2012 6:31 PM

Dragon still providing excellent instructions I see.Bang Head

Glad you used the storage box on the right side Bill. I read it only carried 10 rounds 2 of which were laid out on a mat on the floor under the gun for lack of a place to put them. I bet the other four charges were stored in that right hand side box as well as the fuses too.

Hang in there Tex you're doing just fine.Yes

Tony lee

 

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Posted by deafpanzer on Friday, February 3, 2012 6:11 PM

Bill, I W-I-S-H those buttheads at Dragon headquarter hire you to re-do all of their instructions... I am sure they will pay you well!  Looking great... I have to get this kit one day. 

Andy

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, February 3, 2012 4:15 PM

After careful study of the instructions and how the various components of the fighting compartment fit together, I decided to skip ahead to Step 10 and construct the rear portion first. Everything in the fighting compartment has to align within fairly tight space tolerances so it made sense to start at the back and work my way forward.

Step 10 assembles the rear hull portion out of three sections. The firewall section is molded with 2 of the brass shell base holders empty but the openings are molded solid. I corrected this with a drill bit and pin vise followed by careful sanding with a round needle file. I also installed the engine compartment intake inserts that are called for in Step 13 to insure everything played nice and to provide a little more structural rigidity to the top plate during the assembly.

I also assembled and installed the muffler to the rear plate. While not shown in the photo below, improved on the hollow exhaust pipe by deepening the opening and thinning out the sides of the pipe to be more in-scale with a combination of a drill bit and sharp #11 blade point.

I was going to complete the rest of the assemblies for the rear plate top as called for in Steps 11 and 14 but thought better of it after a test fit revealed that I was going to need to apply some pressure to get a good join with the fender on the right side of the hull. I did go ahead and install the hatch and PE grills and will add the other parts after the interior is painted, the gun installed, and the rear compartment glued in place.

I returned to Step 7 which deals with the upper right side panel of the fighting compartment. The kit provides a choice of what details to install here but for some reason doesn't call out the choice until Step 9, so if you aren't paying attention you can miss it. The choice is between two ready 15cm rounds or a large stowage box mounted between the angled support braces. Good interior photos of the Bison II don't exist and none survived the war so DML has done some speculation here of what might or might not have been there and either option is plausible in my opinion. I chose to go with the large stowage box.

I have to point out a potential pitfall at this stage and it deals with the angled support braces. They are shown in Step 7 attached directly to the side panel but the panel doesn't have any guide as to how they should be placed. If you go with the 2 ready round option that helps but the real locations are determined by the tab slots on the fender, so it's best if you install the braces to the fender and not to the panel as directed. Test fits along with the rear hull portion provide a guide as to how deep the large box should be mounted as it has to overhang the fender edge and not sit flush.

Important note: the rear hull portion IS NOT INSTALLED at this point, only dry-fit...it needs to remain loose to allow for the gun trail to be installed correctly in later steps.
 

That took me across the way to the left side of the compartment. There are a couple of things that have to be taken into consideration on this side. The first is that while the instructions call for 2 radio sets to be assembled in Step 9 (one receiver, one transmitter), the kit provides enough parts to assemble just 1. The missing parts are the mount frames RD4 and RD8, so I was able to fit only the transmitter because I had already assembled it before I discovered the parts shortage. I moved the transformer from behind the radio to next to it to fill the gap left by the missing 2nd unit and used a #76 finger drill to prep the radio and transformer to take wiring later on. The base of the transformer was glued down but both the radio and the actual transformer were dry fit only to test the layout and will be painted separately before final installation.

The other item for consideration are the 6 charge boxes, installed in two stacks of 3. These have raised lines molded on them top and bottom that make it difficult to "stack" them if not removed. They also add to the height of the stack slightly so removing them not only makes it easier to install them it also insures they sit the correct height under the panel overhang.

I added the other interior items that mount directly to the panel and used small strips of blue masking tape to test fit the panel and make sure everything sat correctly.

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, February 1, 2012 3:50 PM

Thanks Bill, glad to have you along for the ride! Yes

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Posted by BaBill212 on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 4:51 PM

Hi wBill,,,      always enjoy your work...........................   Will be watching Pal

Enjoy the ride!

 

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Posted by K-dawg on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 4:36 PM

Right on.. You're covered then. I've used the Pz III set and Panther set but since then I have switched to Friul for the most part. They give you lots of extras.

Take care,

Kenneth

Kenneth Childres, Central Arkansas Scale Modelers

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 4:31 PM

Thanks Kenneth both for the interest and the warning about the MKs! I'm a regular user of them and some sets provide extras and others don't and you can never assume that a set will or won't provide you with them. Fortunately the Wespe set does provide extra links (the Wespe were also constructed on stretched Pz II hulls, just without the extra road wheel) and I counted the number of links in the set and there are 115 per side while the DML Magics are provided at 112 per side, so I should be in good shape. Just in case though I do have some leftover MK's from when I did the Tamiya Wespe a while back as some added insurance if I need it. Wink

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Posted by K-dawg on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 4:16 PM

Very nice build so far Bill. I've been waiting for this cool little machine to hit the streets as well. Bought one, now it's crammed up in the stash with everything else.... ha!...

You better hang onto the kit tracks until you get past the MK construction. As i'm sure you know MK is notorious for giving you JUST enough links for whatever vehicle it is. Your set is for the PzII/Wespe... The Bison II obviously has an extra road wheel so you're going to need about another inch of track on each side. I would venture to say there probably won't be enough to complete the job without robbing some links from the kit. May be wrong but all the times I've used them there were only couple of extras. Anyhow, you'll figure it out... :)

Kenneth Childres, Central Arkansas Scale Modelers

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 3:25 PM

Tony, thanks will have to remember that one the next time I get into an argument with my wife! Stick out tongue

Steve, nice to see you back around these parts and to have you along for the ride.

Mike, well it was posted on a Saturday so I suppose you could be forgiven the momentary lapse until the update cycled around. Wink Thanks for following along.

Andy, the "old" schedule used to be posts on Sunday evenings as I only built on the weekends but now that I'm in school full time the windows of opportunity for bench time shift around more, so you are just as likely to see updates during the week as on the weekendss depending. I will do my best to keep to a regular updating schedule, just not on a single set day! Beer

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