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1/35 Tamiya Tiger I -DONE!!! several pic's

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1/35 Tamiya Tiger I -DONE!!! several pic's
Posted by SMJmodeler on Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:55 PM

The Kit:

AM Goodies: Aluminum Barrel and PE Grilles, watching these on ebay...(thanks again dupes for the part # info!)

ColorScheme/ Camo'/Weathering: I'm debating on which one of these three I want to try:

1. Plain, VERY LIGHT Dunkelgelb (probably near Tamiya Buff) HEAVILY "sandblasted" OR

2. Light Dunklgelb with green squiggles, again, HEAVILY "sandbasted", OR

3. HEAVILY faded gray...almost to gray-turquoise with BEAT-UP winter camo', lots of rust streaking due to weather exposure 

...guess which one I'm leaning towardsWink

Techniques:  I REALLY want to implement the following:

1. The salt technique:.  I've used this technique once on an AFV before, with OK results but I've honed this skill on my railroad boxcars and buildings and want to apply it to this build. I use COARSE rock salt and warm water to create some pretty cool effects I have to think about this some more...back to this later.

2. Double-Action Airbrush:  I now have an Iwata DA airbrush in my arsenal and WOW!!! I wish I had bought one along time ago!   The accuracy and paint-flow control open up all kinds of possibilities.

3.  Paint Streaking:  With the aforementioned airbrush I want to implement the streaking technique used on boxcar weathering.  The vertical planes on the turret and the sides of this beast are perfect to gve this a whirl!

4. Shading & Shadows:  Again, with the Iwata in-hand I want to empasize the different planes and shadows...remember Rick Lawyers article in FSM( color modulation?)...kinda' like that.

5. wbill76 uses some great "mud on"/"mud off" techiques with powders...I need to try that!

Thoughts:  Any suggestions/ input?!

I'm FIRED UP!!!

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Posted by bultenibo on Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:30 PM

Hi SMJ!

Looks good!

It seems that you have every step figured out. Can't wait to see that paint streaking technique. The results looked awesome on your boxcars.

IMHO your  second alternative sounds most interesting...

 

/Tony

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Posted by Tojo72 on Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:33 PM

I wil be looking forward to this one

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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:53 PM

I'd love to see that rock salt method, Steve---I've been wanting to use a "salt" method for a while but haven't gotten around to it--I'd love to see a good tutorial on it from you!

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Posted by tigerman on Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:28 PM

Should be a fun ride. I'd better buckle up!

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 Eric 

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Posted by Byrden on Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:58 PM

Are you aiming to represent a specific real Tiger? Because I don't think any of these ones were painted Dunkelgelb or grey.

David

 

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Posted by bbrowniii on Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:01 PM

SMJ is BACK!!! WOW!!! Just when I was about to give him up for dead, he reappears! How the heck are ya, man. Great to see you - I'll be keeping an eye on this one, that is for sure!

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by bultenibo on Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:02 PM

Byrden

Are you aiming to represent a specific real Tiger? Because I don't think any of these ones were painted Dunkelgelb or grey.

David

 

 

Hi David!

How where they painted then?

/Tony

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Posted by dupes on Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:05 PM

No problemo on the barrels...let me know if you have any issues locating one.

This Tiger is going to get it's ass kicked, I'm guessing. Angry

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Posted by Byrden on Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:08 PM

 

This kit is for Tigers that were sent to Africa. If you wanted to backdate it, you could get a grey Leningrad Tiger without much difficulty, but the decals are all for Africa.

 

People still argue about the colour of these Tigers, but it seems that at least some of them were overall green, maybe only at first;  and the rest had another colour added to make a low-contrast camouflage pattern.

Bovington museum have reproduced it carefully:

 

David

 

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Posted by deafpanzer on Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:18 PM

Welcome Sign back Steve!  I remember following your great builds when I joined FSM three years ago.  Please count me in... sitting on first row with a big bowl of popcorn and a cold bottle of Beer.  

Andy

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Posted by SMJmodeler on Thursday, April 12, 2012 8:44 AM

Guys:  Thanks for following along,...it's always great to have some support and encouragement...I'm really excited to build at 1:35 again!

Update:  Got the hull and axles done last night.  The wheels are de-sprued and sanded...WOW, I forgot how tedious this part is...my son was hanging out with me as I sanded though, good bonding time!

Further thoughts on the paint scheme...I could use some creative suggestions please:  I'd like to layer up the finishes from exposed primer, to base color, to maybe even a repaint/ camo' and  I'm struggling with this a bit.  I have this "dual -theater" idea in mind...let me explain.  These Tigers started in Afrika (theater I), painted dunkelgelb...yeah fine, been there seen that...BUT did any of these tanks see further action at a later time in a different theater/ season?  OR was there ANOTHER theater (Russia?) where they were gray first?  Or maybe even started dunkelgelb THEN painted over in grey and MAYBE even white camo' over that?!Smile Dots

The salt technique I mentioned in the intro to this thread Is KILLER for this multi-layer thing and that's what I really want to try... AND, I've always liked when I see some  red-orange primer showing through (doog has done this well..his winter camo' King Tiger comes to mind)

doog: The salt technique is time sensitive because I don't ever let the salt dry completely.  I'll do my best though to describe/photo what I can.  The technique is so easy and adds such a random effect that  I just love it!  FYI: I may have mis-spoke when I said coarse rock salt...It's actually a table/cooking sea salt that's much larger than regular salt.

Byrden: I fall into the "it's plausible" group of modelers.  I do try to keep my builds somewhat historically accurate but I don't let that trump a cool idea/ or a challenging weathering idea!  Thanks for the input on the green color scheme,...I actually considered/liked one I saw on the net.

-SMJmodeler-

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Posted by disastermaster on Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:40 AM

 

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Posted by Hercmech on Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:43 AM

Oh wow...I will be following this build! I usually do A/C but have been streching out into buying armor after my little Sherman build and I would love to watch this project coming along. Toast


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Posted by Byrden on Thursday, April 12, 2012 11:07 AM

Well, I don't want to tell you how to paint your kit; it's yours, have fun with it.

 

But let's not spread misinformation. These tanks were earmarked for Africa and Dunkelgelb was not appropriate for them. A "tropical" scheme was in force for African vehicles, and in photos we can see at least some of them bearing it. Others seem to have a single colour, which could be one of the two "tropical" colours since it has been described as "green".

None of these tanks fought anywhere but Africa and they were not brought back to Europe.

David

 

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Posted by SMJmodeler on Thursday, April 12, 2012 11:51 AM

Byrden

<clip>A "tropical" scheme was in force for African vehicles, and in photos we can see at least some of them bearing it. Others seem to have a single colour, which could be one of the two "tropical" colours since it has been described as "green".

Thanks for the reminder!!!  I totally forgot about this scheme I had sketched up awhile ago...this will have to be paint scheme option 4:

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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:40 PM

Steve,

If you're just intending to build something that "looks" like a Tiger in order to play around with paint and weathering approaches for a given scheme or look, then what you've proposed will work just fine. It's a three-tone scheme that wasn't seen/used on Afrika Tigers though just as a side note. Tropen schemes were only 2-tone schemes.

I am looking forward to seeing what you do with this one regardless. Beer  

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Posted by SMJmodeler on Thursday, April 12, 2012 1:12 PM

wbill76

 ...Tropen schemes were only 2-tone schemes.

Any recommended resources to view this/these scheme?... besides the "Tiger I in-Action" book... which I'll pull out tonight.

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Posted by Byrden on Thursday, April 12, 2012 3:25 PM

It's the scheme that the Tiger in Bovington Museum has been wearing for some years now. A brownish green and a greenish brown. Broad wavy bands.  You'll find plenty of pics of this tank via Google Images.

 

There is also a rare colour photo of a destroyed Tiger in Africa, and on the side you can see these two colours under the dust;

David

 

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Posted by SMJmodeler on Friday, April 13, 2012 8:06 AM

Bryden: Thanks for taking the time to post those photos, I'll go on the net to find more. 

I read Tiger in Action last night and it confirmed what you said about the initial tanks.  According to that resource they went out in brown or light green...versus DK.  It didn't say light, med or dark brown but the text went on to say that the later browns  were more red-brown.  Sooooo, looking at my paints I gravitated towards Tamiya XF-72...which is DARN close to the darker shade of the first photo you show and almost a ringer-of-a-match for the brownish color on that second Tiger wreck photo.   

The Tamiya Buff next to the XF-72 is perfect for the lighter shading effects I want to show and that goes back to my intro post for this thread...so I think I'm heading in the right direction. 

Thanks again!

 

 

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Posted by PaperPanzer on Friday, April 13, 2012 2:30 PM

Maybe you should add a German flag for aerial recognition...

I have seen in some games the scheme that was discussed earlier, two- tone, dukengleb underneath and brown (or green) over that in patches. 

I'm not sure this would be prototypical or not, but it would make an interesting scheme...Wink

If you are intending to put figures in or on the Tiger, remember to put them in Tropical tank uniforms! I haven't built this kit before, but they might not be correct. Maybe the answer is on Wikipedia...Hmm

Have fun with the project!  

Auctung! Panzer!

- "And now for something completely different..."- Monty Python's Flying Circus


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Posted by PaperPanzer on Friday, April 13, 2012 2:31 PM

Maybe you should add a German flag for aerial recognition...

I have seen in some games the scheme that was discussed earlier, two- tone, dukengleb underneath and brown (or green) over that in patches. 

I'm not sure this would be prototypical or not, but it would make an interesting scheme...Wink

If you are intending to put figures in or on the Tiger, remember to put them in Tropical tank uniforms! I haven't built this kit before, but they might not be correct. Maybe the answer is on Wikipedia...Hmm

Have fun with the project!  

Auctung! Panzer!

- "And now for something completely different..."- Monty Python's Flying Circus


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    April 2012
  • From: Thousand Oaks CA
Posted by PaperPanzer on Friday, April 13, 2012 2:31 PM

Maybe you should add a German flag for aerial recognition...

I have seen in some games the scheme that was discussed earlier, two- tone, dukengleb underneath and brown (or green) over that in patches. 

I'm not sure this would be prototypical or not, but it would make an interesting scheme...Wink

If you are intending to put figures in or on the Tiger with a tropical scheme, remember to put them in Tropical tank uniforms! I haven't built this kit before, but they might not be correct. Maybe the answer is on Wikipedia...Hmm

Have fun with the project!  

Auctung! Panzer!

- "And now for something completely different..."- Monty Python's Flying Circus


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Posted by PaperPanzer on Friday, April 13, 2012 2:33 PM

Whoops, sorry about the repeats!Ick!

Auctung! Panzer!

- "And now for something completely different..."- Monty Python's Flying Circus


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Posted by Bish on Friday, April 13, 2012 2:34 PM

Nice to see you back, and what a kit to start with. I have this one in the stash and i got the full Aber PE set that includes a rather nice barrel. Though it is very pricey. And looking forward to seeing your weathering.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by SMJmodeler on Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:02 PM

Guys:  Here's an update on my Tiger.  I was planning to keep this pretty much OOB except for the aluminum barrel and PE grilles but I decided to add a few custom touches.  Here's the overall view:

Here's a close-up of the brackets and fenders, both were made from aluminum baking pans.  I wasn't sure of the shape of the brackets so I improvised...I like the results.  I will be bending the fenders later (after priming) to show abuse:

I made an exhaust shroud to replace the kit part...it will get a big dent in it later...I plan to leave the other shroud off:

Some weld beads made from stretched sprue:

Lastly, some wires to add a bit of detail:

A few more small brackets for tools and this BAD BOY is readyfor paint!...

 

 

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Posted by deafpanzer on Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:35 PM

Aluminum baking pan?  Jeez!  Never thought about this.  A great way to save $20 or even more... everything is looking great! Yes

What did you use for the tubings in the rear?  Black tapes? 

Andy

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Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:16 PM

Love the improvisions.

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 Eric 

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, May 23, 2012 6:51 AM

Looking gooid, and ye, nice improvments.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, May 23, 2012 11:53 AM

Looking good so far Steve! Beer

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