As Manny Boy would say "The world wonders".

Yes, i can't imagine the changes to the actual kit from mine is that substantial.

Okay, I dug out my box and looked for differences. I came up with this: an additional toolbox on the right-hand side made of PE. That appears to be it! So if you have the Ferdy Premium as I do, save your money.

I was too quick on my typing...DML has a Ferdie, Tamiya has the Elefant. The Elefant does need zim and of course should feature the hull MG, the changes to the roof layout (including periscopes) etc. that were part of the post-Kursk refit of the Ferdies into "Elefant" configurations.

I believe they were pulled off the eastern front, converted and then sent to Italy. Thats also when the name was changed from Fredinand to Elefant.

I will wager the difference in kits is something minor. There were no new ones built afetr Kursk, so it can't be a completly different vehicle.

Bill, the Tamiya kit is an Elefant, not a Ferdy, so you know there are a few subtle differences, but also needs zimmerit.

Bish, good question what the difference might be. Could be a simple upgrade or correction.

Far as I know, Ferdy's were revamped after Kursk and given the MG and zimmerit. Not sure if Ferdy's went to Italy or were converted first.

DML has a tendency to do this whenever one of their competitors is going to launch a newly-tooled release...they will trot out a CH orange box or a Premium treatment to try to stay out in front a bit in terms of the news/market. Will be interesting to see what Tamiya does with the Ferdie!

Wasn't the other Dragon Ferdinand Premium a Kursk vehicle as well. I can't see what the difference is going to be.

That Pz II does look interesting though.

I agree that it will cost more then the Dragon kits and probably give you less. It will most likely be sans zimmerit as well, which will add further to the cost.

I'm just hoping that they release a reasonably priced Crusader Mk I/II. They surprised me with the BT-7, but it's still too much for my blood.

Cliff, never say never. I ran an Elefant GB about 5 years ago and it was a blast. Problem is my Tiger I keeps whispering to me in my sleep.

That being said, I'd be open to considering a Ferdy/Elefant GB. Again, I haven't built a Tiger I in over 15 years and my Tamiya effort looks mighty sad right now.

Your right Eric,they are dribbling out some new kits over the last few years,Jagdtiger,JSU-152,Super sherman,and Isherman,which were pretty good.At least they are still putting out some new stuff.

The DML Elefant kits are quite good though,The one w/zimm has a nice amount of PE and a metal barrel.I bet the Tamiya only has a small PE fret and that s it,and it won't be cheap either,but like you said,at least their still interested

Hmmmmmm nice kit there Eric...

I've got an Dragon Elefant in my stash, I'm not sure which kit it is though.

I've been building mostly aircraft of late and an Elefant GB as a change of pace might just lure me in....