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Tamiya T 34/85 W.I.P. (Updated 8/29/12 FINISHED)

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Posted by corvettemike on Saturday, September 1, 2012 8:56 PM

Wing_Nut: I thought of that after I saw the photos, but it's up on the shelf and I'm not particularly keen on pulling down and potentially messing something up so I'm gonna leave it as is.

Bill: I heard the same stories, especially about yellowing and attracting ants but they seem to say it lasts well under hair spray which is why I sealed it with it. I want to look in to micro balloons, those seem to give great results and are fairly cheap compared to hobby snow products for model RR.

Gamera: I'm gonna search out a glue bomb on Ebay or a swap so I can have a whole kit that I could use to restore or make a knocked out T-34.

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, September 1, 2012 7:39 PM

Nice work on this one Mike, although you may want to keep an eye on the baking soda "snow" in the future. Baking soda is a reactive element so over time you might notice it "changing" and interacting with the air and/or the model. Some swear by it and use it but I've heard horror stories from others as well...just an FYI. Wink

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Posted by wing_nut on Saturday, September 1, 2012 9:23 AM

Yup, she's a beauty alright.  My only critique would be that if the mud/dirt made it all the way up the sloped armor some would be on the turret.  At least on lower/bottom part.

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, August 31, 2012 9:29 AM

Great work Mike, the simple base complements the model without overpowering it. Superb job all around! Yes

BTW: Shouldn't be too hard to find a replacement bow machine gun, I think most everyone who builds 1/35th AFVs has at least one scrap T34 in their spare parts box. And if you scratchbuild one it's not that complex an item. 

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Posted by Tojo72 on Friday, August 31, 2012 5:03 AM

Great work,really came out nice !!

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Posted by tigerman on Friday, August 31, 2012 1:42 AM

Looks real nice Mike. Good effort on the used white-wash.

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Posted by corvettemike on Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:46 PM

I made up a simple base with baking soda "snow" sealed with hairspray, then snowed up and added some rust to the tank. The snow seems to be having a hard time sticking in the tracks, in the end i said forget it. Far as I'm concerned this project is done. The front machine gun broke off and went down the sink so I'm looking for a replacement. Possibly I can find a glue bomb cheap to salvage one off since Tamiya wants $5 for the tree plus $5 shipping and CA sales tax which makes the gun cost as much as I paid for the kit on clearance. This tank being my 2nd armor build in over 10 years was alot of experimenting and finding my way. I found I much prefer a cleaner style build over the extreme war beaten appearance, more of a museum style showcase of armor types vs. 100% realism. 

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Posted by Winetanker on Thursday, August 30, 2012 7:41 PM

DUSTER

You may wish to rethink the whole idea. Lime is a caustic material and in an enclosed space the powder could drift in to the air and cause bad reactions to things  like eyes, lungs, skin of the modeler;  not counting the other occupants of the structure....Of course safety precautions would be your  top  priority but  others trying the procedure that may not be so cautious. 

Considering I spent most of my youth working in a white-washed barn, I don't think it will cause me any additional harm.

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Posted by corvettemike on Thursday, August 30, 2012 3:49 PM

Winetanker

Doesn't look bad...maybe just too even.

what did you use...pastels???

MM Acryl RAF Dark Earth base applied randomly to the undersides with an airbrush. That was followed up by random washes and blending with artist oils, then pastels over the top. Being a car guy for 10 years before I jumped back in to armor I have a propensity to make things neat and even even lol, that's why after this one I'm only doing factory fresh armor. Dunno just not enjoying the whole weathering thing.Confused

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, August 30, 2012 11:34 AM

Mike: Not sure if you can ever add 'too much mud'! You might drybrush the mud with a little lighter tan or buff to get the appearance that the upper layer had dried out some.

Super nice work on the T34 and the whitewash looks perfect. Wish I could pull one off that well.

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Posted by DUSTER on Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:54 AM

Winetanker

corvettemike

Winetanker: I never thought of it that way, wonder if no ones tried because the lime might affect hobby paint.

I was thinking the same thing....but I DO have some hydrated lime...and a finished Testor's/Italieri JS-2

Might have to try some 'sperimenting....Propeller

 

You may wish to rethink the whole idea. Lime is a caustic material and in an enclosed space the powder could drift in to the air and cause bad reactions to things  like eyes, lungs, skin of the modeler;  not counting the other occupants of the structure....Of course safety precautions would be your  top  priority but  others trying the procedure that may not be so cautious. 

not reccomended  on my model bench

Check this info for Safety basics  http://www.virginiadot.org/business/resources/Materials/MCS_Study_Guides/bu-mat-AppendDAP.pdf 

Steve

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Posted by Winetanker on Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:41 AM

Doesn't look bad...maybe just too even.

what did you use...pastels???

....working my way up the airbrush learning curve......

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Posted by corvettemike on Wednesday, August 29, 2012 8:13 PM

Added some (er alot0 of mud to the bottom and running gear. I was gonna use AFV club tracks but in the end I went with the kits vinyls and set the AFV club tracks aside for another project. The mud looks too heavy to me but you guys tell me.

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Posted by corvettemike on Wednesday, August 29, 2012 6:18 PM

Go for it! And don't forget to tell us what happened, might be on to something here. My bold prediction if it doesn't harm the paint it will react like a pastel + water whitewash.

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Posted by Winetanker on Wednesday, August 29, 2012 4:16 PM

corvettemike

Winetanker: I never thought of it that way, wonder if no ones tried because the lime might affect hobby paint.

I was thinking the same thing....but I DO have some hydrated lime...and a finished Testor's/Italieri JS-2

Might have to try some 'sperimenting....Propeller

....working my way up the airbrush learning curve......

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Posted by corvettemike on Tuesday, August 28, 2012 7:18 PM

Thank you for the comments everyone.

Winetanker: I never thought of it that way, wonder if no ones tried because the lime might affect hobby paint.

Here is the hull tidied up. It's shiny because I've been sealing each successive weathering layer with hairspray. Next up is drybrushes and washes followed by pastel weathering and mud on the bottom/wheels. Then I'll start assembling the indi link tracks and probably end up in an asylum afterward Whistling

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Posted by Winetanker on Tuesday, August 28, 2012 6:50 PM

Really nice weathering job; I love whitewashed tanks...I've only tried the salt technique so far....

Random thought....has anyone ever tried whitewashing a tank with.....whitewash (AKA lime and water???

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, August 28, 2012 6:10 PM

Gotta agree with Bill on the bleed of the red marking.  Looks nice.

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Posted by Tojo72 on Tuesday, August 28, 2012 5:48 PM

Very effective technique

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Posted by cb1 on Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:27 PM

looks dang good! It reminds me of how our white-washed vehicled looked in Germany after a week or two inthe field. Very nice. Yes

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:18 PM

Looks good so far! The streaking of the markings is a nice touch.

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Posted by corvettemike on Tuesday, August 28, 2012 12:13 AM

I got to work on beating up the turret tonight. I sprayed the turret with hair spray, then used table salt for the chipping effect. After the salt was dry I sprayed the turret Tamiya flat white and while it was still on the wet side started attacking it with a thinner dampened boars hair brush. A few hours later I mixed a dirty white oil color and applied small dots and used a thinner dampened brush to pull them down and sort of dry brush the white. I'm an armor dummy so correct me if I'm wrong but I think this is what you call a dot filtering wash. I figured the unit markings being applied on top of the whitewash would be equally poor quality so I applied the kit decals then chipped them up to match the chipping of the white. Then I ran some thinner over them to bleed the ink a little and streaked it down to look like the colors had begun to run and wash off. This also worked to help fade the markings a little. Freezing weather, snow, and ice will wreak utter havoc on a metal vehicle and it's paint and that's what I'm trying to show.

Then with a mineral spirit dampened brush I further attacked the white leaving streaks and brush marks behind. Remember 1:1 whitewashes were applied with mops, brushes, even brooms in sub zero weather so it shouldn't look perfect.

Next up washes, rust, grime, drybrushing, and the like then repeat the process on the hull.

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Posted by corvettemike on Monday, August 27, 2012 8:06 PM

modelarmour.com/index.php This is actually the best explenation I could find.

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, August 27, 2012 5:19 PM

NIce and green! Lots of options for whitewash depending on your mediums of choice...and how heavy you want to wear it down. Do some research into the hairspray method if you use acrylics, it's one that has become pretty common over the past few years.

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Posted by Tojo72 on Monday, August 27, 2012 5:53 AM

Nice green color,looks good

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Posted by wing_nut on Sunday, August 26, 2012 9:41 PM

Beautiful texture on the turret.  Looks good with the green in there.

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Posted by corvettemike on Sunday, August 26, 2012 8:25 PM

Here it is Model Master Russian Green over red oxide primer with Future over the top. I'm going to set it aside to dry out until next weekend then commence weathering.

I'm debating on weather I wanna do a tank from Berlin 1945 or a January 1944 in whitewash. What are some good whitewash techniques? I saw an article in FSM about doing it with watered down pastel chalks but I can't remember what year/month the issue was.

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:57 PM

Look forward to seeing it with paint on! Beer

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Posted by corvettemike on Sunday, August 26, 2012 12:39 AM

Ok here is the completed turret with hatches. The vision slots are off a little bit (one of them is blocked by a vent lol). I'm pretty sure the round vents, at least that's what I assume they are are supposed to have flat covers over them but since I don't have a punch and die I left them be.

A better view of the hatches and right side of the turret. I'm aware the latch on the loaders hatch is incorrect but I'm not going to change it. Cut me a little slack it's only my 2nd armor build Embarrassed

Here is the completed assembly ready to hit the paint booth...

After church tomorrow afternoon I'll wash all the grime off and get it coated in Russian Green, then set it aside for a week to harden up before weathering. I decided to go with the AFV Club indi link tracks as well so I'll use the dry time for the main hull to assemble and paint those.

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