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Dragon Sd.Kfz. 184 "Elefant" ----FINISHED----

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  • Member since
    September 2010
  • From: Qubec, Canada
Posted by Ben323 on Saturday, November 17, 2012 2:56 PM

Hey guys, its been a while since I've posted. I've been reading about how the forum has died out and im pretty sad to hear that. I might be one of the newer memebers here but I find this place is amazing ! I love the atmosphere here and I'd love to see it stay. 

Anyway here is what I have been up to lately. I got primer and paint on. I also decaled it ( I know the decals and paint don't historically go together but I think they look cool so that's all that matters Big SmileI put only one wash on so far and detailed a bit. I started the exhaust too. I think it's turning out nice so without further wait, here are the pics

Ben K.

  • Member since
    March 2011
  • From: Ottawa,Ontario,Canada
Posted by modeler#1 on Thursday, August 2, 2012 8:57 PM

nice build so far the Elefant is one of my favorite tanks

On the Bench: Nothing atm

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    January 2007
Posted by the doog on Wednesday, August 1, 2012 7:27 PM

Just my two cents, but that "diagonal" Panther scheme there was used pretty much mostly only by late war Panthers--especially in the last battles around the Kurland bridgehead area, if I recall correctly, and some that went farther East. for relief operations?

  • Member since
    September 2010
  • From: Qubec, Canada
Posted by Ben323 on Wednesday, August 1, 2012 7:22 PM

Tigerman: Thanks ! But i dont know if I can wait that long because I just can't resist painting it. Painting is my favorite partBig Smile Also I have my first model show coming up in sept , so I really want to enter as many models as I can!

But I'll try to wait ! I'll just spray primer and red oxide and then I'll leave it like that till you come back!

Thanks Smile

Ben K.

  • Member since
    March 2003
  • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
Posted by tigerman on Wednesday, August 1, 2012 1:40 AM

I guess I learned something new today. I really thought there weren't any.

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

  • Member since
    November 2004
  • From: Cat Central, NC
Posted by Bronto on Tuesday, July 31, 2012 5:46 PM

If you can wait until I get home (About 2 weeks) I can look it up for you.  If not, get a copy of s.pzjg abt 653 history.  They were the ones that had the remaining few at that time.

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  • From: Qubec, Canada
Posted by Ben323 on Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:49 PM

This is how it would look. Approximately.

 

All the wheels would be the yellow color. Just didn't have enough will power to finish all of them Stick out tongue

Ben K.

  • Member since
    September 2010
  • From: Qubec, Canada
Posted by Ben323 on Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:21 PM

Bronto

Are you going for a "What if" scheme?  If so ok, but none of those vehicles (Elephant) were ever painted in either of those schemes.

Bronto, do you know what schemes the two elefants carried during the battle of Berlin?

Thanks,

Ben K.

  • Member since
    November 2004
  • From: Cat Central, NC
Posted by Bronto on Tuesday, July 31, 2012 5:05 AM
There were at least2 that were in action during the early Berlin battle

  • Member since
    March 2003
  • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:00 AM

Bronto is correct.

I've really only seen two-toned Elefants on the italian Front in yellow and green. I have seen swatches of tri-color jobs as well.

As far as I know, none ever saw action in Berlin.

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

  • Member since
    November 2004
  • From: Cat Central, NC
Posted by Bronto on Monday, July 30, 2012 8:56 PM

Are you going for a "What if" scheme?  If so ok, but none of those vehicles (Elephant) were ever painted in either of those schemes.

  • Member since
    September 2010
  • From: Qubec, Canada
Posted by Ben323 on Monday, July 30, 2012 7:09 PM

Thanks for the reply!

After a bit of thought and searching I think i found a good color scheme.

or....

both are not my models but I really liked the color scheme that they used. I think im going to go with the first one mentioned.

Thanks again,

Ben K.

  • Member since
    July 2004
  • From: Texas
Posted by wbill76 on Monday, July 30, 2012 11:01 AM

Unless the chipping of the zimmerit was recent, the crews would repaint over the chipped area with the hull color and/or camo paint as a normal procedure. Given the heavy state of wear you're depicting, my inclination would be to say that it would likely be repainted as opposed to having large chunks of exposed red oxide primer. You've kind of entered a "what if" type of scenario based on your description so you can go with whatever camo pattern using the three tone scheme you'd like or even give it something different of your own creation...this one wouldn't have a factory scheme under your circumstances so it would be whatever (or nothing) that the crew decided to apply under the circumstances...quite a few oddball things show up in the defense of Berlin. The Elefant's armor was pretty hefty to begin with and sloped, so crews tended not to add a lot of extra tracks and such to the side because it would actually encourage rounds to "dig in" instead of glance off...so you don't see that done much like you do with other vehicles. Still, it's your project to run with as you see fit, so if you want the look go for it. Wink

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  • From: Qubec, Canada
Dragon Sd.Kfz. 184 "Elefant" ----FINISHED----
Posted by Ben323 on Monday, July 30, 2012 10:52 AM

Hey guys,

Here is my latest build ! A 1/35 scale Elefant tank destroyer. I opted for the plain elefant with no zimmerit because it was cheaper Stick out tongue and I also wanted it to look heavily battle damaged. It was my first time making zimmerit. This is supposed to be a late war elefant fighting in the last stand for Berlin. Therefore it is heavily damaged and it's zimmerit is severely chipped.

Now there is one major problem.... I put the tracks on backwardsEmbarrassedCrying well it doesn't matter... it is what it is. 

Now I have a couple of questions. 

1) What scheme should i paint it ? And since a lot of zimmerit is chipped off, would i paint red oxide primer in the chipped sections? Or would it be half painted over, half not because of the constant change of camo during the war?

2) Did the tank crews enhance the elefants armor? If so, how ? Because I was thinking tracks on the side of the hull. I have 24 tracks left plus tracks from many other german vehicles.

3) Can I improve on anything other than the tracks?

Thanks!

Ben K.

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