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Egyptian M4A4 with FL 10 turret

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Egyptian M4A4 with FL 10 turret
Posted by GMorrison on Monday, March 9, 2015 5:22 PM

My next project!

I just grabbed a cheap Heller AMX 13/75 and a not-so-cheap Cyber Hobby M4A4 off of eBay.

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Posted by mississippivol on Monday, March 9, 2015 5:38 PM

How could anyone fit in that turret?

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Posted by Bish on Monday, March 9, 2015 5:41 PM

That's an interesting looking one. Are you going for the scheme in the last image.

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, March 9, 2015 5:51 PM

mississippivol

How could anyone fit in that turret?

Two guys in the turret, and it had an autoloader with externally loaded ammunition canisters- two of six rounds each. They hadda get out of the tank to switch those.

Bish- haven't gotten that far yet, but I like it.

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, March 9, 2015 5:54 PM

My understanding is that it's the same gun used in the Super Sherman, so it's kind of an Egypterman!

A little different approach.

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Posted by the doog on Monday, March 9, 2015 8:11 PM

Wow, neat--I"m going to be selling a built AMX-13 on ebay in a few days!

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Posted by RBaer on Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:57 PM

And I thought my Magava was an ugly tank......Big Smile

BTW, there's a build going on over on the Big "A", same thing, lots of good info.

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:01 PM

Thanks, R.

EDIT: I need some tips on navigating there...

EDIT EDIT: Found it by Google search, then carefully backed out to home page. Different form of thread but I get it. Thanks!

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, March 10, 2015 11:17 PM

Oh double heck, back into armor models!

It would seem that there are a total of three of these things left- the hulk and two at Latrun.

Somewhere there was an opine that Egypt had about fifty, which is a lot.

First used in 1956.

Oh and ever since I saw Shep's diorama "Road to Damascus" I've always wanted a M-51.

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, March 11, 2015 8:06 AM

Yeah the turret looks sleek  on the low-slung AMX 13 but kinda odd on the Sherman hull, still very cool though!

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, March 13, 2015 12:13 AM

Heller kit came today.

I think it looks really good in the box. The canvas dust barriers for the oscillating turret joint are two separate parts, which I won't use, and a center section under the mantlet, which i'll sand off. In the Mid East their customers got a rubber seal instead.

I think the barrel and muzzle break look usable.

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, May 18, 2015 7:07 PM

I've been working away for a while and finally have enough to show.

I was fortunate to start with the Cyber Hobby Orange Box. It also had the three piece final drive, the A2 deck, a bunch of fittings, drive sprockets etc. I needed to match the Latrun tank, my subject if it were still in the original owner's pool.

Also a Heller AMX 13 75, a def.com barrel and AFV T-51 tracks to come.

But really it's been a lot of gizmology based on a great walkaround portfolio from Latrun, and probably at least four WIP posts on other forums.

Not a very original build, but a good way to learn my way around a Sherman.

Comments and crits welcome. Will be a WIP.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Monday, May 18, 2015 7:46 PM

I like the work you have accomplished so far.

Makes me want to look for an old 1/72 Heller AMX 13/75 kit at a swap meet.Hmm

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Posted by the doog on Monday, May 18, 2015 8:05 PM

That looks cool!

It's got a face only a mother could love though. What an ugly beast! lol

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, May 18, 2015 8:45 PM

Like a duck that's been scolded!

Karl you mentioned earlier you built an AMX. I'd love to see it.

Spruece- thank you. I have the bottom half of one in 1/35 free for the asking.

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Posted by T26E4 on Monday, May 18, 2015 8:51 PM

Ugh -- I  hate to mention this -- feel free to ignore it.  But the applique armor locations are a bit off.  The Egyptians used normal M4A4 hulls -- if you go to the DML directions, they'll tell you where each piece goes.  Then the Egyptians added more plates -- but the factory installed original three pieces are a bit off on your tank.  The left side single slab should be further back.  The front right slab should be almost touching the glacis.

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, May 18, 2015 9:01 PM

Hey, no that's great. First of all, if it's getting that level of scrutiny I must be doing something right.  I didn't know the difference between HVSS and VVSS before I started this build. I can see what you are getting at.  I also learned the hard way that putting new bent wire grabs in the existing holes for the oversized plastic ones is a no-go. Next time I'll fill.then drill.

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, May 18, 2015 9:39 PM

Looking at that hulk I posted at the beginning; Roy, the forward corner of the right front plate is even clipped off. See, I would LOVE that as a detail.

I generally build ships, lots of detail. Please keep the observations coming.

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Posted by T26E4 on Tuesday, May 19, 2015 6:27 AM

I've built enought Shermans to develop quite the "Sherman eye" -- it's really a curse at times!

(But I still enjoyed the heck out of "Fury"!!)

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Posted by feldgrau23 on Tuesday, May 19, 2015 8:35 AM
Very cool looking build. What you've done so far looks great. Looking forward to more pics.
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Posted by RBaer on Tuesday, May 19, 2015 2:49 PM

I like all the extra work on the turret, should pay off nicely.

Funny, that turret/hull combo is just about as ugly as the south end of a north-bound dog.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Tuesday, May 19, 2015 6:13 PM

RBaer

Funny, that turret/hull combo is just about as ugly as the south end of a north-bound dog.

...............and that is what makes it so durned interesting, too.......Hmm
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Posted by RBaer on Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:20 AM

Hmmm.......    I will grant that the model is interesting, lol!

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:37 AM

I think it is best considered to be a pretty potent self propelled anti-tank gun, considering that it has to be served by crew on the exterior.

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, May 20, 2015 12:49 PM

Looks real nice, but have to agree with Karl, it doesn't look pretty.

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Posted by Sackgasse on Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:18 PM

Funny, I was reading the Dec 12 issue of MiM yesterday evening where the main article was the Panhard EBR-10.

Same  duckling turret.

Very nice progress GMorrison!

Zack

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, May 21, 2015 2:25 PM

Thanks everyone. I put a light coat of primer on it yesterday, It helps quite a bit to unify the look. I'll post pictures soon.

SG- yes, and Hobby Boss has a model out of the EBR 10. It is superior in most ways to the old Heller AMX 13 kit. I just couldn't justify tossing another $ 50 at this, but it would be an improvement.

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Posted by M. Brindos on Saturday, May 23, 2015 1:41 PM

i think this is spectacular G. I love what you've done so far. I'd love to see some color on it.  :D

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, May 23, 2015 10:56 PM

Thank you. Currently gluing tracks together. I will shoot some tan tomorrow when the wind dies down out back.

Just picked up a Tamiya Tiran 5 on Amazon for $ 39.00 woohoo!

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:02 PM

Preimed and pre-shaded.

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