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Putting a tank in your tiger; Turrets syndrome

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    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 11:32 AM
Hi there
Great work Michael. Really like it. And now I know how to weather with salt(all i need is a model to try it onSad [:(]Banged Head [banghead])

Keep well.
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    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 25, 2004 5:23 AM
Please be my guest, Matt. Though truth be known I saw it somewhere here or missing-lynx. I can't remember.. It is very easy though, isn't it? The only tricky bit is working out how much burnt sienna oil paint to use.
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    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 25, 2004 5:52 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Michaelvk

Please be my guest, Matt. Though truth be known I saw it somewhere here or missing-lynx. I can't remember.. It is very easy though, isn't it? The only tricky bit is working out how much burnt sienna oil paint to use.


That's alright, I have a ExperimentoPanzer II which gets wrecked before any innocent models get touched!Tongue [:P]

Good luck with the rest of the build.

Matt
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    December 2003
Posted by cbreeze on Monday, April 5, 2004 9:03 AM
Greetings,

Great job on the turrent!!!!!!!!!

I have been experimenting using salt to simulate paint chipping on 1/48 aircraft. I have tried it, though a little more work, looks really nice. I was reading how you did yours and noticed that you did not mention using a clear coat after the base coat. Appears that you just used a base coat, applied the salt, sprayed your top coat, picked off the salt crystals and done. I have been using a clear coat after the base coat and before setting the salt crystals. I am wondering if the clear coat is really necessary. Not a real big deal but it would eliminate a step. Would appreciate any comments from those more experienced than me.

Thanks,

Chuck B.
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    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 5, 2004 9:32 AM
Here's some theory on adhesion, based on my training in aircraft metal bonding.

In this instance we can compare a glossy and a flat paint finish with an untreated and anodized/etched aluminium surface respectivly.

Depending on how fluid the adhesive is, in this case the liquidized salt, the salt will adhere to the surface in different ways. The basic rule is for more adhesion, the more surface area is needed. The reason why an aluminium surface is anodized or etched before bonding is to create a porous surface. If you were to take the entire surface, including the tunnel lining created by the anodizing/etching, then the surface area would be hugely increased. Now the more fluid, the better the adhesion is going to be because it can creep into the rough surface. When it dries it creates a very strong bond. Basic rule for salt is that its not made too wet, otherwise it'll never come off (completely) again. The reason why a gloss coat is laid down before decals is to do the same. Create a large as possible undersurface. On a flat finish the decal basically sits on top of the microscopic paint mountains. The silvering you see on a decal is just air underneath the decal. By using a gloss coat and overwetting the salt will also make it stick like a bugger. Imagine a pot on the kitchen counter that needs drying. If its sitting in a puddle of water and has a flat undersurface you get somethng called hydraulic lock. Its not too different from a suction cup. As there0s no air and no air can get there, the underside of the pot is vaccuum sucked to the counter with a perfect seal. It takes a fair bit of force to break this lock. Imagine that with something that dies up and solidifies.

In other words, you only ever want to use enough water to just make the salt stick. If you don't use too much water it really doesn't matter if you use flat or glossy paint. In fact, by exploiting the silvering decal phenomenon, you can get salt to hang on until you rub it off and get everything of ( I just rub it off with my finger..), so flat is beneficial, going over what I just wrote. Besides, it also speeds things up because you don't have to wait for an extra layer to dry..

Hope this helps..
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Posted by fightnjoe on Monday, April 5, 2004 11:38 AM
that loud thump you just heard was my jaw hitting the floor again. incredible.

joe

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