OH YES!!!!!

I'm definitely in on this one - I hope to do the Dragon Premium edition Elefant. I also want to use the four MasterBox eastern front figure sets, and build a diorama with the tank. That might not be done in time...but I should be able to a tank.

BTW, the MasterBox figures are VERY well done if anybody's looking for good, animated figures to accompany a Kursk-era vehicle. I mean REALLY good. The weapons and equipment are a little crude but the posing is better than many resin figures.

And yes, Marder III M was not in service until after Kursk, for sure. At Kursk, 'Das Reich' had a Panzerjager regiment with several Marder III ausf N and two Marder II's. I think the other two SS Panzergrenadier divisions would probably have had Panzerjager regiments as well.

tigerman wrote:

My refs aren't much better Glyn. From what I can gather- no. It appears late 43 at best.

According to my ref.    September 1943

Hey Bob,

I dug through my book and can't make a definitive determination regarding the white wash.  There were 2 or 3 pictures that looked like they might have had just a shred or trace of whitewash on certain spots, but for the most part they were also covered with a lot of dust so I can't be certain.  Too bad good quality color photography didn't exist back then. 

Gun Tech wrote:

I would say yes, as it was produced from April 1943.   It would most likely be a early variant with earlier type of drive sprocket and idler.

Duley noted. I will make sure to incorporate that into my build. Thanks!

M1 A1 A2 Tanker wrote:

So Tigerman is that a yes?   Thanks

I don't know anything about the STZ version, but being a T-34, I'd say it should qualify.

Thanks Bob for the link.

tigerman wrote:

M1 A1 A2 Tanker wrote: Hey      Tigerman         I just order Cyber Hobby new 1/35 T-34/76 STZ. I loved to do is for the build. But it is not shipping till Mid June. So what you say am I in  with this model or should I look around for another one? I say sure. The build will start in July. You're good. Bob, I'd say the Marder with the Russian 76mm and maybe the H might have been there. They mustered as many tanks as they could. The M version, I'm not so sure. We need refs guys.   Thanks

I pulled out the instructions for my Tamiya Marder III M and that left me with the impression that the M didn't see service until early 1944.  Short of time travel, I'm guessing that there weren't any M's @ Kursk.  I'll stick with the orginal plan-T-34/76, Model 1941

Had a moment to do a quick search.  Looks like the first M's were issued May 1943.  Here is a good link that has a lot of info.

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/marder.htm

Now I'm back on my feet and back modelling put me down as a Yes.

Not sure what I'll be building yet but I'll have a look through my Kursk book and see what takes my fancy............will probebly be something Soviet.

So Tigerman is that a yes?

Thanks 

M1 A1 A2 Tanker wrote:

Hey      Tigerman         I just order Cyber Hobby new 1/35 T-34/76 STZ. I loved to do is for the build. But it is not shipping till Mid June. So what you say am I in  with this model or should I look around for another one? I say sure. The build will start in July. You're good. Bob, I'd say the Marder with the Russian 76mm and maybe the H might have been there. They mustered as many tanks as they could. The M version, I'm not so sure. We need refs guys.   Thanks

Hey

     Tigerman

      I just order Cyber Hobby new 1/35 T-34/76 STZ. I loved to do is for the build. But it is not shipping till Mid June. So what you say am I in  with this model or should I look around for another one?

Thanks

tigerman wrote:

ruddratt wrote: Cool. So if the P. IV H was indeed at Kursk, then that's my choice. If not, then jot me down for the Marder III 38(t) with the 7.62cm gun. Unless someone can prove otherwise, I say go for it.

I would say yes, as it was produced from April 1943.   It would most likely be a early variant with earlier type of drive sprocket and idler.

bobbaily wrote:

...so the Marder III M was potentially @ Kursk?  hmmmmm...that opens up some other possibilities.  However, all the web sites that I have seen don't show any Marder III M's @ Kursk...however, I don't claim to be an expert....but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express....

LMAO!!!!        

I didn't do any serious research on Kursk, I was just looking at the production date.    But I now feel an urge to know more about what type of vehicle were used.

ruddratt wrote:

Cool. So if the P. IV H was indeed at Kursk, then that's my choice. If not, then jot me down for the Marder III 38(t) with the 7.62cm gun.

Unless someone can prove otherwise, I say go for it.

ruddratt wrote:

Gun Tech wrote: You mean the Sd.Kfz. 139 ?    The only marder III equipped with the Russian 7.62cm PaK36(r). It was produced from April to October 1942.     Majority fought in Russia.   Ooooops. Yep, that's the one. Thanks!  That'll be my contribution (although I would have LOVED to do a Panzer IV H! since I got all the goodies for that one....the Marder III will be pretty much OOB except for the appropriate markings).

According to my Squadron PZ IV book, it says that the H appeared in the spring of 43. So, I'd assume that they had to have had some there.

Ernest, I'm thinking a 3-4 month window, so as to keep the interest going.

Gun Tech wrote:

You mean the Sd.Kfz. 139 ?    The only marder III equipped with the Russian 7.62cm PaK36(r). It was produced from April to October 1942.     Majority fought in Russia.

Ooooops. Yep, that's the one. Thanks!  That'll be my contribution (although I would have LOVED to do a Panzer IV H! since I got all the goodies for that one....the Marder III will be pretty much OOB except for the appropriate markings).

ruddratt wrote:

tigerman wrote: All three should qualify. Depends which Marder III you have. The Russian 76mm? Eric, it's the Sd.Kfz138 7.62cm Pak36(r) auf Gw.38(t), (whatever THAT means!) I was getting dizzy just typing it! LOL! Maybe now I know why I build mostly aircraft....it's so much easier just to say 'Nieuport 17'.

You mean the Sd.Kfz. 139 ?    The only marder III equipped with the Russian 7.62cm PaK36(r).

It was produced from April to October 1942.     Majority fought in Russia.  

I believe all Marder III's qualifies.    Marder III H produced from November 1942 to April 1943, and Marder III M between April 1943 to May 1944.   Kursk was in July 1943.

Not sure if they were all present, but the production dates fit.

Should I???   Ahhh why not?!?!  The Battle of Kursk has always been a favorite WWII interest of mine!  If you decide to go ahead with this GB put me down for a Dragon Panther D.  Echelon has a set of decals that includes Kursk markings.  I might do Ernst Barkmann's vehicle, but someone is doing the same thing for the Panzer Aces GB.   Eric, is the duration of this GB going to be long or short?

tigerman wrote:

All three should qualify. Depends which Marder III you have. The Russian 76mm?

Eric, it's the Sd.Kfz138 7.62cm Pak36(r) auf Gw.38(t), (whatever THAT means!) I was getting dizzy just typing it! LOL!

Maybe now I know why I build mostly aircraft....it's so much easier just to say 'Nieuport 17'.

bobbaily wrote:

Been sorting thru various web sites for pics of T-34/76's @ Kursk and finding a couple with winter white wash still applied-is this realistic for a July time frame?  If so, it makes my task of finding valid turret numbers/markings easier...

I have a great book that documents the battle of Kursk in pictures.  I'll flip through it tonight Bob and see if I can find any pics of T-34/76's with a bit of whitewash left on them.