Some thoughts on censorship.

TacoBuff:

hmm, rubbing tacos... never crossed my mind.  I prefer to eat them... wait, i guess that'll get me banned too.

LOL! Banned twice.

FastasEF:

LOFLMAO! (Banned) I s'pose my username would be banned too ... despite it's "other" meaning. Josh

Yes.

Maybe.

I dunno, what are it's meanings?

Fingerseddie, Chris Cornell rules! Saw Soundgarden live at lollapoloza 93 I think, early 90's still kinda fuzzy, oh well. Got Outshined tattoed on my forearm. Oh, and it was pointed out to me quite correctly that that naked baby is now an adult,

Cheers! Doug

Cosmic J wrote:

TacoBuff: hmm, rubbing tacos... never crossed my mind.  I prefer to eat them... wait, i guess that'll get me banned too. LOL! Banned twice.

LOL! 

Yeah Douglas, alongside Kurt, Chris has one of the amazin' voices in rock. Nice to know your a grungerocker, 'cos I still am. Eddie Vedder still rules though!

Eddie Vedder for president is what I say!! And Michael Stipe as vice president. Jesus man, you'd have everythin' sorted out in no time. Global warmin', homelessness, human rights abuses, what were they!?

I'll vote for that, if you guys vote w/ me.

I wanna make the Jimi Hendrix version of "The Star Spangled Banner" the official National Anthem.

We can send Eddie Vedder to the UK to be PM there. But Hendrix' version of  the Star Spangled Banner does kick

  Laughing out loud, while reading this all, in the darkness of my cardboard box, down by the river. I'm reminded of a little song I know,that has, in part, this: "When directly viewed, everything is lewd. I can tell you things about Peter Pan, and the Wizard of Oz, there's a dirty old man"- Tom Lehrer, "Smut"

  You will never see a "Mothers against cell phone talking", because cell phones, unlike alcohol, are not the creations of the devil.

  Mutha, is only half a word.

  Yeah, I know, "banned"
 

I've been told that my user name on this forum isn't pc because it promotes "animal abuse". So on other forums I use the NATO reporting name of my favorite plane, the MiG 21PFM, "FishbedJ". Now if I had been a fan of the MiG 15, I would've definately used a different name.

PC is absolute total crap. I have ancestors that fought for the South during the Civil War. When I chose to fly the Stars and Bars to honor them, I faced a lot of grief from people in the area. At one point I was notified by a lawyer of an impending lawsuit if I didn't stop "displaying in public a symbol of racial hatred and oppression". That was 9 years ago. My flag is still flying. And evidently the instigator of all of this either moved or gave up. I flew it because it represented people who stood up and fought for something they beleived in. They didn't go sit in a corner and cry, they didn't roll over and play dead. They fought for their beliefs. (Before any one starts in on me, the civil war wasn't just about slavery, although thats whats taught in school now).

 I feel the same way about the Nazi Germany flag. If you're honoring an ancestor, then it should be allright. Remember, not all members of the German military were Nazis and that was the flag that they fought under. The pre-Hitler government flag would be inappropriate as would the post WWII flag. I find it amazing that the Japanese Rising Sun flag doesn't get more negative response than it does, most of the complaints are in China and Korea, and justly so. The Japanese military machine was responsible for more atrocities on a larger scale than the Nazis ever managed. At least the Germans apologized for their actions.

I smoke, I fly a Confedrate flag, I drive a gas guzzling, pollution causing machine, I fish and hunt and I eat meat. Am I PC? of course not! (I know, I know, BANNED!

Roadkill. Without starting a flame war here, I suggest you research some numbers regarding  documented Japanese vs German WWII atrocities. While both countries certainly did horrid things, I do believe the Nazis, with their actions of trying to wipe out whole specified types of populations killed more people intenionally. I dont beleive Japan ever targeted any ethnic groups for extemination- simply stated they wanted to kick the wetern powers out of Asia and replace them as the dominant overlord. Under a very strict regime. Most Japanese atrocities stemmed from the Japanese mindset towards prisoners and subjugated peoples.

I honestly dont think any country more than 10-20 years old does not have some historical slight against some ethnic group within their own borders, the U.S. included. That is the nature of majority groups in power.

Just some thoughts. 

I can understand your stand regarding the stars and bars. Especially concerning your heritage. 

I am banned already just for my name anyways...

 My oh my what a quaint little subject. Let me see. Yes swastikas are banned in Europe. I remember buying Tamiya kits in Germany that had the little tiny swasika on the Afrika Korps palm blacked out with a permenant marker also any thing with the SS letters was blackened out right down the liscense plates and instructions. I did see two swastikas in Germany during my two times stationed there. One was on the German WWII naval flag at the Naval museum at Laboe Germany and the other was carved into an old destroyed concrete bunker in the middle of nowhere, ( Even it had been painted over in black paint but the carving was still visible. ) Funny thing though there is no Bill of Rights or Miranda Act, though and the polize are still very capable of using gestopo tactics. Such is the ironic nature of sensorship. Karlan's 7 dirty words has never bothered me but losing freedoms and rights to things like housing associations really stinks. 21 years in the active Army, clean record not even a detention in school but yet Fry's electronics still wants me to show a receipt for what I just purchased at the exit and get bent outta shape when I tell them if they stop me again I'm gonna put that receipt where only there medical doctor can see it. I really hate how we so willing give away our hard fought freedoms and rights in the name of PC. There is my soap box. ... I know banned!

Sorry y'all. I quit banning people a page or so back. Couldn't keep up. Blame FingersEddie, the man is a machine.

 

On a serious note, I like people who are openly PC, as well as people who like to display the Confederate flag or the Nazi Swastika.

Better to have them out in the open where I can identify them, than lurking in the shadows unseen. 

Personally, I think of internet forums as someone else's living room, where there is an ongoing conversation on topics I like to talk about. I don't post anything that I would not say in Aaron Skinner's living room. If he finds my speech offensive and wants me to leave, well, its his house.

If I find someone else's speech offensive, I'm free to ignore that person, or to just leave. Freedom comes w/ a certain amount of personal responsibility.

<exiting rant mode>

stikpusher:

I am banned already just for my name anyways...

Your screen name was one of three that inspired the post in the first place, along w/ Maximus DukusErectus and the unnamed drive-by mentioned earlier.

So I guess I should ask, what exactly is a stikpusher, and what do they do?

 

 

Stikpusher is a common nickname for fighter pilots....

 

Manny I have never heard that before. But it is commonly used in airborne units when jumping...last guy out "pushes" the stick out in front of him. My often appointed spot once upon a time. Still banned though... paratroopers are not PC

stikpusher wrote:

Manny I have never heard that before. But it is commonly used in airborne units when jumping...last guy out "pushes" the stick out in front of him. My often appointed spot once upon a time. Still banned though... paratroopers are not PC

Interesting, and I have never heard your term...lol...the pilot's use of the word comes form the fact that the a/c is controlled by a control column, or "stick" (and rudder) and the pilot just pushes" it around...lol...

I have heard "stick and rudder man" for pilots. The things you can learn here. For paratroopers, after getting broken up in sticks, the jumpmaster will designate  a lead man/door position (if not himself) and a stickpusher.  The pusher is supposed to apply forward motivation to the group once the green light goes on and it's time to exit the aircraft. (move the hesitant out the door by group momentum)

stikpusher:

For paratroopers, after getting broken up in sticks, the jumpmaster will designate  a lead man/door position (if not himself) and a stickpusher.  The pusher is supposed to apply forward motivation to the group once the green light goes on and it's time to exit the aircraft. (move the hesitant out the door by group momentum)

I thought that might be the case. Parachute in the avatar and all...

US Air Force 22 years never heard a pilot called a StickPusher...thanks for the info Manny!

Sooooo, it's safe to come out now?

Shweeeew!!!!

I thought with my name I was a gonner for sure!

 

agentg wrote:

USMC, 8 years, grunt, commonly referred to as a "Snuffy". ALL these doggie terms are new to me

Service & supply Corps for 8 years and commonly referred to as "cockroaches" ('cause we scuttle around in dimly-lit Army warehouses)

Wirraway wrote:

agentg wrote: USMC, 8 years, grunt, commonly referred to as a "Snuffy". ALL these doggie terms are new to me  Service & supply Corps for 8 years and commonly referred to as "cockroaches" ('cause we scuttle around in dimly-lit Army warehouses)

 Ok lets see if I can get banned properly. I got this joke. No offense to any of the fine USMC guys. I would have been a marine myself if I could have passed the physical. No matter how hard I tried my head wouldn't fit in the jar!

 Ok here is the joke. There was an Army Ranger, Navy seal and Marine Recon guys argueing over who was toughest! To settle the arguement they all agreed to get parachuted on a remote island populated by vicous midget cannibles.

 They were all immediately overwhelmed and taken prisioner and when confronted by the chieftain the Army Ranger was given 2 choices for punishment. Death or ooga booga!

Well death seemed the worst so the Army guy chose ooga booga! He was then subject to horrible perverse acts of and but survived and was set free.

Next came the Navy Seal who smiled and said ooga booga please They had a hard time getting him to leave......

Last was the Marine Recon fellow. When ask he said I cannot shame myself or the Corps and willing choose death.

The Chieftain smiled and screamed! DEATH BY OOGA BOOGA !!!!!!!!!!

 No offense mean't to my fellow veterans...... cockroaches indeed....

 

stikpusher wrote:

Roadkill. Without starting a flame war here, I suggest you research some numbers regarding  documented Japanese vs German WWII atrocities. While both countries certainly did horrid things, I do believe the Nazis, with their actions of trying to wipe out whole specified types of populations killed more people intenionally. I dont beleive Japan ever targeted any ethnic groups for extemination- simply stated they wanted to kick the wetern powers out of Asia and replace them as the dominant overlord. Under a very strict regime. Most Japanese atrocities stemmed from the Japanese mindset towards prisoners and subjugated peoples. I honestly dont think any country more than 10-20 years old does not have some historical slight against some ethnic group within their own borders, the U.S. included. That is the nature of majority groups in power. Just some thoughts.  I can understand your stand regarding the stars and bars. Especially concerning your heritage.  I am banned already just for my name anyways...

 I wasn't trying to say that the Nazis were innocent or weren't as bad. They're about equal. It's sad that the Nazi atrocities are depicted everywhere yet nobody remembers Nanking or the Korean Peninsula. The Japanese Government to this day denies any wrong doing in SE Asia or Korea. The Germans were bad, but at least they didn't release plagues in the countries they had subjugated. It will never be known how many SE Asians died at the hands of the Japanese military machine. But then, as was pointed out to me recently, EVERY SIDE commited atrocities. It's just that the victors can better hide theirs. I wasn't trying to start a flame war and I'm not trying to continue one. I'm just expressing my opinion. In the end it doesn't matter. The guilty still have to stand in front of God for judgement and face His justice.

BTW, I have to replace my stars and bars about once every month or so. After they get 5 or 6 bullet holes in them, they start disintegrating. My cousin flies a Nazi flag, but only on the Germans version of Memorial Day. His wifes father flew recon planes over England for the Luftwaffe in WWII. I talked to him before he died in '88 and he was proud of his service but didn't care much for the military heirarchy.

All of this "PC" friendly crap is getting out of hand.  I know some people are just sensitive and alot of forum names can upset people.  To me, I could care less what someone has a name in this forum.  They can call themselves the next Hitler, or Saddam, or Lucifer.   Whatever it makes no difference to me.

I heard today while driving to work that the term "Men at Work" can no longer be used in the Atlanta area!!!!!   Can you imagine that,,,,,good christ.

I believe sooner or later this "PC" crap is going to explode and its going to cease to exist.  I really don't think we are going to able as a society to put up it any longer.   "With repression of thought and speech comes Revolution".  Its happened time and time again throught the history of the world. 

U.S. Naval Aviation, 16 years F-14's F-18's.  I've heard a pilot called a "Hot Stick", but not a Stikpusher.  Anyway, I don't know it all, but I do know alittle.

 Hot Stick - fly by the seat of your pants, nuts, crazy, wild pilot.  Usually, has the call signs to go along with the attitude, ie,,,,,Torch, Hack, Mavrick.

sfcmac wrote:

Wirraway wrote:  agentg wrote: USMC, 8 years, grunt, commonly referred to as a "Snuffy". ALL these doggie terms are new to me  Service & supply Corps for 8 years and commonly referred to as "cockroaches" ('cause we scuttle around in dimly-lit Army warehouses)  Ok lets see if I can get banned properly. I got this joke. No offense to any of the fine USMC guys. I would have been a marine myself if I could have passed the physical. No matter how hard I tried my head wouldn't fit in the jar!  Ok here is the joke. There was an Army Ranger, Navy seal and Marine Recon guys argueing over who was toughest! To settle the arguement they all agreed to get parachuted on a remote island populated by vicous midget cannibles.  They were all immediately overwhelmed and taken prisioner and when confronted by the chieftain the Army Ranger was given 2 choices for punishment. Death or ooga booga! Well death seemed the worst so the Army guy chose ooga booga! He was then subject to horrible perverse acts of and but survived and was set free. Next came the Navy Seal who smiled and said ooga booga please They had a hard time getting him to leave...... Last was the Marine Recon fellow. When ask he said I cannot shame myself or the Corps and willing choose death. The Chieftain smiled and screamed! DEATH BY OOGA BOOGA !!!!!!!!!!  No offense mean't to my fellow veterans...... cockroaches indeed....

 

I've heard that one back in 81 or 82, except in its civilian version, with 3 explorers instead, and it was called Chi-chi.

"I'm not afraid to die," said the third explorer, "I choose death!"

The chief and all the headhunters gasped in amazement.

"Ah, you are very brave!" said the chief, "No one has ever chosen death.  Death it shall be.  But first-a little chi-chi!"

(rimshot)

Cougar38 wrote:

All of this "PC" friendly crap is getting out of hand.  I know some people are just sensitive and alot of forum names can upset people.  To me, I could care less what someone has a name in this forum.  They can call themselves the next Hitler, or Saddam, or Lucifer.   Whatever it makes no difference to me. I heard today while driving to work that the term "Men at Work" can no longer be used in the Atlanta area!!!!!   Can you imagine that,,,,,good christ. I believe sooner or later this "PC" crap is going to explode and its going to cease to exist.  I really don't think we are going to able as a society to put up it any longer.   "With repression of thought and speech comes Revolution".  Its happened time and time again throught the history of the world.

Oh my God, you said, "Christ!"  Wait, now I've said it!

I agree with your point about PC and the political philosophy behind it.  I think the cultural war is a cold civil war, and that it might take a hot civil war, to stop it.  I'm not calling for it, nor saying I wish it would happen, but anytime there are two conflicting views of the world, and there is any kind of mutual exclusivity, one has to win, and one has to lose.

Sorry for the somber tone!

Just cruisin' through the posts here and find out that BOOM, I'm banned!!! Just like that!!!

Very timely, post though, wit George Carlin passing away recently and all. Truth be told "mucker" is a hockey term. And to our firends in the U.K. I've learned it's actually slang for "friend" (Thanks, Guy!)

It's amazing how we've become as a society: everyone is offended by something. If someone tells me they're offended by what I say, I simply tell them that I find them being offended very offensive in itself.... It makes them think long enough to stop a dead end argument from forming.

 

All this over a Russian chick in boots...cool...

Actually, it was about a guy over in sci-fi who posted under a sexually graphic screen name.

Nice try though.