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                        Mikeym_us
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                        Posted by Mikeym_us on Sunday, April 4, 2004 2:17 PM
                        i believe it does since it is about the years after Star Trek First Contact

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                        therriman
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                        Posted by therriman on Sunday, April 4, 2004 5:03 PM
                        Yes and No. I watched first 2 years religously just like all the others. But this season I just couldn't care about the show. I don't know what it is exactly, but I've lost interest in it.
                        Tim H. "If your alone and you meet a Zero, run like hell. Your outnumbered" Capt Joe Foss, Guadalcanal 1942 Real Trucks have 18 wheels. Anything less is just a Toy! I am in shape. Hey, Round is a shape! Reality is a concept not yet proven.
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                        Woody
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                        Posted by Woody on Sunday, April 4, 2004 6:19 PM
                        My problem with it is that the Enterprise looks too much like a post ST:NG ship. The Starships in "Enterprise" should look more, well, older looking in design than TOS ships. Another thing is that the ship never existed in the existing ST story arch. Not a bad show but it throws continuity out the window.

                        " I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones
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                        paulnchamp
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                        Posted by paulnchamp on Sunday, April 4, 2004 6:23 PM
                        I agree with Woody. The ship itself doesn't look "retro" enough; it looks like fifty or a hundred years AFTER Kirk's time, not before.

                        As far as the storylines go, they're hit or miss. This entire season has the ongoing storyline of the Xindi and their superweapon, and it's starting to drag.

                        Of course it doesn't help that there's so many re-runs, either.
                        Paul "A man's GOT to know his limitations."
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 4, 2004 8:23 PM
                        And throw in some lame time travel stories and you have a typical Berman and Braga excuse for sci-fi! I think its time to give them the old heave ho!
                        As far as the "Akiraprise" I agree that its a nice ship, just doesn't fit.
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                        therriman
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                        Posted by therriman on Sunday, April 4, 2004 9:07 PM
                        The first time I saw that ship I said "Akira". It's a good looking ship, just out of place. And Woody is right, continuity has gone right out the window (or hatch).
                        Tim H. "If your alone and you meet a Zero, run like hell. Your outnumbered" Capt Joe Foss, Guadalcanal 1942 Real Trucks have 18 wheels. Anything less is just a Toy! I am in shape. Hey, Round is a shape! Reality is a concept not yet proven.
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                        Rob Gronovius
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                        Posted by Rob Gronovius on Sunday, April 4, 2004 9:32 PM
                        I like the series, but do not like the current story line. I feel it has a lot of potential. I also agree with the statements that the ship looks too modern and is of a post-TNG design. It appears much more manueverable than the TOS Enterprise and along the same lines as the DS9 Defiant.
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                        Woody
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                        Posted by Woody on Sunday, April 4, 2004 9:48 PM
                        Maybe some fans will make a pre-TOS movie like the one that group in Texas made. I know where they can recruit some model builders! Wink [;)]Big Smile [:D]

                        " I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones
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                        John P
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                        Posted by John P on Tuesday, April 6, 2004 2:40 PM
                        I gave it a chance. It sucks. I hate the ship completely.
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                        Woody
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                        Posted by Woody on Tuesday, April 6, 2004 5:08 PM
                        Come on John don't hold back any punches.Big Smile [:D]

                        " I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones
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                        Mikeym_us
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                        Posted by Mikeym_us on Tuesday, April 6, 2004 11:57 PM
                        look at it this way Berman created Deep Space 9 and it was a hit and he also came up with Voyager and that was also a hit as well so lets wait and see if it lasts since 2 seasons arent much it is the other 5 seasons that would make it or break it

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                        J-Hulk
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                        Posted by J-Hulk on Wednesday, April 7, 2004 10:17 AM
                        I've only seen about 15 shows from the first and second seasons, but I've thoroughly enjoyed what I've seen. I quite like the design of the ship, and the overall look of the show in general. Hey, it's a REAL tough job designing stuff "retro" enough to satisfy everybody. Star Wars, Star Trek...well, I can't think of anything else, but when you have to satisfy a modern audience that demands all the bells and whistles, it's tough coming up with something simpler and less "evolved."

                        I think the uniforms are sufficiently "devolved, " though. Heck, some of the Starfleet brass are wearing neckties! And the crew's jumpsuits seem to be just right.
                        ~Brian
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                        Woody
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                        Posted by Woody on Wednesday, April 7, 2004 12:36 PM
                        I agree about the retro look of the costumes and I did buy a phaser which I like the design of also.

                        " I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones
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                        Mikeym_us
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                        Posted by Mikeym_us on Wednesday, April 7, 2004 7:31 PM
                        actually they are called Phase pistols but what about the rifles they almost look like retro pulse rifles from Voyager and the Next Generation movies :) Oh and what about the Photonic Torpedos now those arent retro they look like the casings from Star Trek II the Wrath of Kahn you know Spocks funeral scene

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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 8, 2004 2:40 PM
                        In the beginning I felt they were "forcing" this to work. Some stories were OK others did not merit a look. This season though has peaked my interest. I think they hit their stride. The Archer character is definitely "tuned up" IMHO and I am looking forward to how they will handle the ethical issues. In this series, just like today's wars, inorder to be successful, we must stand our ethical "clocks" and moral compasses on end or lose.
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                        cplchilly
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                        Posted by cplchilly on Thursday, April 8, 2004 7:41 PM
                        I like Enterprise (except for the time travel crap) I didnt like voyager at all, I liked DS9, Next Generation was alright but there were to many Capt's and not enough crewmen (sorry crew persons!). Right about now I'd watch anything as I still have the DT's because Babylon 5 is no more (the greatest sci fi show ever period!!).
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 10, 2004 9:17 AM
                        Out here in Desertland, the Enterprise has just gone into the Deltic? quadrant, I think that's right, after the Xindi. So, there is another series to come, I did wonder.
                        I don't think photon torpedo's were seen before Wrath of Kahn, or were they? so The original series could have used the ones we saw on Enterprise.
                        I'm no expert on ST, but I do enjoy Sci Fi, never did get to grips with DS9 much though, and Babylon 5 lost it's grip after a while, which just proves the 'each to his own' saying.
                        Pete
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                        SNOOPY
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                        Posted by SNOOPY on Saturday, April 10, 2004 12:31 PM
                        I do not know but I like "Enterprise". I think you need to look at it as if it was it's own series and not connected to TOS or ST: NG, etc. Yes this Xindie stuff needs to get over. The time travel is a bit off. I mean even Einstien said if you travel at the speed of light you have time travel. A Vulcan to say no such thing when they have warp capability is hard to believe. I think it needs to focus on some of the origins of Federation members from TOS. I try to think of it as being a different series because as you watch TOS reruns and ST: NG you see and hear different story lines than what is being shown.
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                        SNOOPY
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                        Posted by SNOOPY on Saturday, April 10, 2004 12:35 PM
                        My favorite is how Klingons and Romulans were discovered. In ST: NG, Picard says that they made first contact with the Klingons when they first developed warp drive. Yet in Enterprise, Klingons came to Earth first. In TOS, in one episode no human ever saw a Romulan and they were shocked to see how close they looked to Vulcans. In Enterprise even the Vulcans did not know what Romulans looked like but they meet some in the one episode. Enterprise can stay but the stories need some juicing!
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                        upnorth
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                        Posted by upnorth on Saturday, April 10, 2004 1:13 PM
                        I think its getting a bit thin in the story line dpertment, the same plot ideas are getting recycled over and over again. I definitely think they need to shake things up and bring in some new blood in the production and writing staff.

                        The first couple of seasons were good, a whole story could be encapsulated in an hour and you could expect a new story next week. This season is like the last few seasons of DS9, the storyline was so long and the episodes al interconnected that if you missed one, you were more than a bit lost when you saw the next. I'd hate to see Enterprise go the way DS9 did (crossing over from Sci Fi to a soap opera in space) I followed DS9 for the first 4 or 5 seasons but it became unwatchable to me after that.

                        I might be one of the few Star Trek fans you'll find that will defend the Voyager series. I felt it was the most faithful to the ideas and stories of the original series. Really far away from home in the midst of the unknown, often having to make it up as you go along and throwing the rule book out the window to get a job done sometimes. Then there's the "cowboy" edge that comes with being out on the "Frontier" that shoot first and ask questions later sort of attitude that we often saw with Kirk and company.

                        Voyager was an encapsulated story that didn't deviate a whole lot from its initial story line during its run, whatever the subplots were, the bottom line was getting the ship and crew home, by any means possible. It was like they had written the entire story begining to end before puting any of it to film, none of the stories felt out of place and I think thats why I enjoyed it so much.

                        With this Enterprise season, this entire Xindi weapon story should have been made into a two hour pilot episode for the season and been done with. Dragging it on for so long shows a tremendous level of complacency on the part of the story writing, editing, and production people, I just want to take them all by their collective shirt collars, give em' a good shake and say "Get to the point and get on with a new story! You're making television, not feature films!"
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                        Woody
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                        Posted by Woody on Saturday, April 10, 2004 1:56 PM
                        I like Voyager too. It fits in the Trek universe, which by the way is not our universe. If it were we would have already sent Kahn packing in the DY-100 freighter "Botany Bay"!Big Smile [:D]

                        " I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones
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                        paulnchamp
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                        Posted by paulnchamp on Saturday, April 10, 2004 9:37 PM
                        Upnorth, you've got the right idea. This whole Xindi storyline should have been resolved in two or three episodes. I have this sinking feeling that the whole season is going to revolve around the Xindi and ultimately just fizzle out.

                        They need to tie "Enterprise" into some of the questions that went unanswered in Kirk's time, like the rise of Khan Noonien Singh or Colonel Green's war in the 21st century.
                        That would really get things moving!
                        Paul
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 12, 2004 8:09 AM
                        UpNorth, I too enjoyed Voyager, a female Captain & a part renegade crew made for some interesting storylines. The location made for some interesting aliens.
                        Is it me, or do aliens just need a funny nose job to qualify? Why are they never ten feet tall, or three feet tall, or have huge feet/lung capacity (careful!) & how does chef know what they'll eat?
                        As for script tightening in Enterprise, I spotted a big boo boo the other week.
                        Archer was in the pre Enterprise experimental ship, when they were taking it out against orders. He said,' I can't get the auxiliary APU's on line'. Er, APU stands for...
                        Auxiliary Power Unit, oops!
                        Pete
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 1:48 PM
                        hi! i've only just joined and this is my first contribution.i think that Enterprise on the whole is a good series,but this third series is pushing the boundries of believability and continuity with the rest of the st universe.
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                        Woody
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                        Posted by Woody on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 5:30 PM
                        Hello Spock. Welcome to the forum. Big Smile [:D]

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                        wipw
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                        Posted by wipw on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 4:59 PM
                        I've enjoyed the few episodes I've actually seen, except for a few things. First, I agree the ship looks way to "modern". That was my first comment when I saw it the first time. Second, why the heck do the Klingons look like post TOS Klingons? Even in Voyager when they went back in time to Kirk's Enterprise they had a (lame) comment about "Yes, those are Klingons...Don't ask). And third, didn't I see a mention of the Borg in one of the Enterprise episodes?

                        Yep, they need to be done with this Xindi crap. I mean, it's not like we don't know who wins in the end, right? I didn't notice that Kirk, et al, were on Xindi ships!

                        Off the soap box. Interesting discussion!

                        Welcome, Spock!
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                        therriman
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                        Posted by therriman on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 6:23 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by wipw
                        Second, why the heck do the Klingons look like post TOS Klingons? Even in Voyager when they went back in time to Kirk's Enterprise they had a (lame) comment about "Yes, those are Klingons...Don't ask). And third, didn't I see a mention of the Borg in one of the Enterprise episodes?


                        The episode in question was a Deep Space 9 show titled "Trials and Tribulations".
                        And it WAS a LAME way to deal with the difference.

                        From what I gathered about the Borg episode. They were "survivors" from the time travel sphere near the beginning of the First Contact movie. The sphere was destroyed after traveling back to the "past".

                        Oh, and Welcome to the asylum Spock.
                        Tim H. "If your alone and you meet a Zero, run like hell. Your outnumbered" Capt Joe Foss, Guadalcanal 1942 Real Trucks have 18 wheels. Anything less is just a Toy! I am in shape. Hey, Round is a shape! Reality is a concept not yet proven.
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 6:48 PM
                        Time travel = pathetic excuse for lack of writing skills and imagination.
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                        Mikeym_us
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                        Posted by Mikeym_us on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 7:43 PM
                        actually the Klingons in the TOS were cosmetically altered to look like humans for some strang reason and the Klingons wont explain the reason saying it was an embarassing period in their history. i doubt that they will ever come up for a reason any time soon

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                        Posted by wipw on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 9:04 PM
                        QUOTE: From what I gathered about the Borg episode. They were "survivors" from the time travel sphere near the beginning of the First Contact movie. The sphere was destroyed after traveling back to the "past".


                        I'd buy that except, how come Kirk and crew and the first however many years of TNG didn't know about the Borg? Why did Q make such a big deal about introducing them to eachother earlier than they should have been? I think they just messed up!

                        I guess I can buy the cosmetically altered Klingons, too. But it still seems like a "work around" to me!!

                        Good thing this stuff is only fantasy!
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 9:43 PM
                        I must say that despite the whole timeline stuff the Borg episode of Enterprise was one of the better ones. And it was always nice to see the Andorians, one of my favorite races. Now the Ferengi episode was a joke.
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                        Mikeym_us
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                        Posted by Mikeym_us on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 10:15 PM
                        oh by the way the borg were encountered by Admiral kirk when he went to stop V'GER from destroying the Earth remember the scene when Spock talks about seeing a planet inhabited by cybernetic creatures they were the Borg this is explained more in William (Kirk) Shatners books that take place after Generations where Jim Kirk is brought back to life yet again.

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                        upnorth
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                        Posted by upnorth on Thursday, April 15, 2004 10:17 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by StevenQ

                        I must say that despite the whole timeline stuff the Borg episode of Enterprise was one of the better ones. And it was always nice to see the Andorians, one of my favorite races. Now the Ferengi episode was a joke.


                        If I recall correctly, toward the end of the DS9 series run (when I was only watching it sporadically) there was some storyline or subplot about a clandestine branch of Starfleet that officially didn't exist, but had been in existence since the very foundation of Starfleet. This could go a long way in explaining no reference to the Borg until Q brought them into the picture. Why shouldn't Starfleet have had its own special "Area 51" for keeping alien knick knacks a secret?

                        I also am glad to see the Andorians playing a major role in the new series, as they were one of the Federation's founding races, its also good to see that however they came to be allied with the Humans and Vulcans, it wasn't easy at first. Lots of mistrust to overcome.
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                        Mikeym_us
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                        Posted by Mikeym_us on Thursday, April 15, 2004 10:46 AM
                        you talking about Starfleet Section 31 if you remember they used Biological warfare to try to wipe out the Founders which i find to be a barbaric way to fight a war but this went on before the Federation Dominion war.

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                        upnorth
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                        Posted by upnorth on Thursday, April 15, 2004 8:03 PM
                        Yes, I seem to recall that about Section 31, but if they have been around as long as Starfleet itself, then certainly other things occupied their secretive intrests before the Founders or Dominion were even heard of by the Federation. So at that, its totally plausible to put them in a position of hiding away the Borg bits and pieces and erasing any evidence of the borg at all from Starfleet records. That would certainly be a good way to keep the Borg out of the story line until Q brought Picard and company toe to toe with them.

                        Anyway, I hope the Enterprise series gets back to a good pace and off this Xindi kick soon, I'm getting to the point where I almost don't care if I see the show or not. I can think of one or two other Sci-Fi series that had some good potential that got ruined by writing teams that had no business writing for Sci-Fi. I'd hate to see Enterprise go that way. TNG and Voyager rode off into the Sci-Fi sunset in respectable style, DS9 limped its way off the air as a cliched soap opera in space. I'd hope only one Star Trek series would have the indignity of going off the air in DS9 fashion.

                        Enterprise has a good cast, but the production crew has gotten too comfortable in their positions and obviously are thinking they can throw anything at Star Trek fans and get it eaten up. Berman and Bragga gotta go, that would be a good first step.
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                        Posted by midnightprowler on Friday, April 16, 2004 4:50 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by wipw


                        Good thing this stuff is only fantasy!

                        You mean to tell me Star Trek isn't real!!??
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 16, 2004 12:47 PM
                        if the guy helping Archer is from the 31st century,fighting a war that shouldn't have been,then when Enterprise beats the Xindii ,the the guy from thr future can go back in time and remove all evidence,and T'pol and Trip can wake up in a shower together! Sorry i must go and lay down after THAT thought.
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                        Posted by Mikeym_us on Friday, April 16, 2004 5:00 PM
                        actually the real bad guys are the people who created the deltic expanse they are the ones who told the Xindi that Earth wipes them out in the future yeah and i hope Trip has a romantic involvement with T'pol i mean heck i wouldnt mind a romantic involvement with her :P

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                        Posted by cassibill on Friday, April 16, 2004 5:18 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by Mikeym_us

                        actually the real bad guys are the people who created the deltic expanse they are the ones who told the Xindi that Earth wipes them out in the future yeah and i hope Trip has a romantic involvement with T'pol i mean heck i wouldnt mind a romantic involvement with her :P

                        Have you seen the trailer for next week?? I wonder what T'Pol's little problem that she tells Phlox is: Pon Farr, some odd Vucan disease, or (my vote) Charles Tucker IV.

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                        Posted by cassibill on Friday, April 16, 2004 5:19 PM
                        I wonder it the Klingon forehead ridges areexplained in any of the books. I'll have to look.

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                        Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 17, 2004 6:52 AM
                        I agree with most on the idea that the Xindi story line is getting a little drawn out and I believe the original story line (future guy), which still is in play, should be closed out. Let's get another ship out there and some more Star Fleet/Enterprise interaction. Disapprove [V] Sending the 1 ship out to an unknown area of the galaxy to fight and destroy who knows what without backup or support is a little crazy especially for the military. I like Archer's character development, they are a little thin with T'Pol, Malcom and Trip and seemed to have written off Hoshi and Travis. The premise is good, the actors are right, (even the MACOs are good for a little juice), now the production team needs to tie it up.

                        Smile [:)]Blush [:I]Even after this said, I still will watch. I just love "Trek"
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 3:55 PM
                        personally i'm getting a bit bored with Enterprise,and i,as a lifelong fan,can't wait for this season to end.i can't beleive i just wrote that last line,but unless this series is given a kick up the arse quickly i can't see it being continued coz people r just gonna turn off!don't get me wrong i like Archer, T'pol even Trip but Phlox and the rest get on my nips.bring on the Andorrians
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 9:23 PM
                        Hey everyone, I just thought I would add my two cents in. I never really watched ST for the plots, but I am in love with the ships.. (a true modeler at heart I guess). So in that capacity I loved the last seasons of DS9, because of the armadas seen and great potential to model them. http://www.starshipmodeler.org/gallery8/rc_hancock.htm

                        Enterprise never grabbed me because I just could figure out how the ship designers had an Akira-style ship, then went to something much less modern looking (Constitution class, etc), then "reinvented" an old design hundreds of years later. And reinvented is pushing it, because they took the same ship, and just turned the nacelles so they faced down. Enterprise did throw a teaser out there when they showed some quick shots of the mysterious "Enterprise-J". Though I'll confess, that was the one episode I've actually watched. I have heard rumors of some new ST series being toyed with involving the fall of the Federation, but who knows. I'll just continue to give my paycheck to the people at Federation Models to build a 1/1400 fleet of my own.
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:45 AM
                        I'm not going to get into the whole Enterprise debate. Not again. But as for the appearance of the Klingons -- as Ronald D. Moore says in the fifth season DVD set for DS9, the makeup changed. If it weren't for the "Trials and Tribble-ations" episode, we could pretend the Klingons always looked the way they do today. But there's no explanation I've ever heard for why they look different now that makes any real sense. Sure, they could have been surgically altered. But why? To what end? It just strains credibility to the breaking point. They weren't a different race of Klingons, because we saw Kang, Koloth and Kor on DS9 and they looked the same as all the other Klingons do today, and not as they did on TOS.

                        That's why Worf's remark about the difference in their appearance is not a "lame explanation" -- it isn't an explanation at all, nor was it intended to be. I thought it was brilliant. I just imagined all the other fans (and I did the same thing), watching that episode for the first time, sitting on the edge of their seats and thinking, "Now they're going to have to explain why the Klingons used to look different! Finally, the mystery will be solved once and for all!" And then getting Worf saying, essentially, "None of your business." Just brilliant! I laughed so hard I missed the next three minutes of the episode.

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                        Posted by Mikeym_us on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:00 PM
                        well the difference between the NX-01 and the Akira is 2 things #1 is the saucer the Akira has a somewhat eliptical shape and the Enterprise has a basic circular shape except for the cutout for the deflector array. #2 is the Nacell configuration the configuration on Enterprise NX-01 is that it is basically the same as on regular starfleet vessels the "upward V" configuration like what is seen on the TOS enterprise and the TNG Enterprise E but the Akira has a "Downward V" configuration

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                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:17 PM
                        Oh yeah! I totally agree they are indeed totally different ships (somewhat)

                        http://www.stguardian.to/fed/nx01/index.html
                        vs.
                        http://www.stguardian.to/fed/akira/index.html

                        I mean the difference are striking, but I felt a new ST series should include a totally new starship concept. i.e. Defiant, Voyager, and the various Enterprises. This ship seemed to me, too futuristic for a time prior to the Constitution class.
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 6:23 PM
                        all the above mentioned reasons and the apparent sophistication of the viewing fans makes it almost impossible for this new series to totally satisfy even 50% of the audience.i frtunately am satisfied with the new technology.i 'll watch it just for chance of seeing a new starship nad possibly another sonic shower.
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                        Posted by traveller on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:40 PM
                        OK, I have just looked through this whole debate, and I want to add my bit! First: Time Travel works for Dr Who. Second: as already mentioned, you cannot satisfy everyone, but in saying this, I have not seen the latest series with the Xindi, as it is not being screened here in Oz yet. When I do I will make up my mind. Thirdly: I agree that the story lines can be drawn out a bit. All I can say, I do like the show, and any loopholes should just be ignored. I imagine that doing a show like this with a long history behind it is difficult, so give them a chance!! If it does not work, well too bad. See you guys later, happy modelling!!!SoapBox [soapbox]Alien [alien]
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                        Posted by philp on Thursday, April 22, 2004 1:48 AM
                        I consider myself a Trekker (not a Trekkie) but mainly watch for the entertainment. Star Trek is Star Trek.. I will admit that most of my favorite Trek episodes (and movies) are those that have a little humor in them. My next favorite are when they are doing all the fighting (so much for diplomacy). I could never figure out why the old Akira class surfaced in the later series (must be old as it looks a little like the NX-01). I think they have handled the older looking technology pretty well without going too campy (even todays subs look newer than 1701). I will continue to watch the series as long as it lasts and leave any "historical" concerns to those that really care.
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                        Posted by upnorth on Thursday, April 22, 2004 5:17 PM
                        Last night, I watched a pretty decent episode of Enterprise.

                        The ship is battered up by a Xindi attack. While trying to make the extensive repairs, they encounter a ship of seemingly peaceful aliens. Eventually Archer leads a boarding party to steal the alien's warp coil to replace Enterprise's damaged one.

                        No, I don't like what he did, I think it was real low and dirty. Some of my favorite Star Trek episodes (regardless of series) are the ones that show Star Fleet with real human flaws, not the squeaky clean image of them that was so often seen in TNG. The image that says, "Well, we have all humanities flaws under control, lets go solve the problems of everyone else in the galaxy). Thats not to say that I didn't enjoy TNG, I just think that the darker side of humanity could have come through a touch more often for the sake of reality.

                        Thats why I liked Voyager, the characters weren't perfect, they had flaws and issues that were apparent and believable. They had a captain who wasn't affraid to bend or totally break every rule in the book to get a job accomplished. Prime Directive to hell, if fighting dirty is what it takes to get your job done and ensure the survival of your crew, do it.

                        Enterprise has potential, and I like seeing the human characters with human flaws, it makes them easier to relate to.
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                        Posted by cassibill on Thursday, April 22, 2004 7:01 PM
                        QUOTE: Enterprise has potential, and I like seeing the human characters with human flaws, it makes them easier to relate to.

                        Don't forget T'Pol's drug habit.

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                        Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 22, 2004 7:19 PM
                        whatever it takes to get her into the shower
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 22, 2004 7:22 PM
                        Hummmm....a vulcan with "human" flaws.
                        Fascinating!
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                        Posted by upnorth on Thursday, April 22, 2004 7:59 PM
                        Yeah, I like how they worked her problems into a drug habit rather than a pregnancy, which I was dreading a story line about but almost expecting.

                        I don't see hers as a human problem when you consider that Vulcans, from a historical standpoint, were a very aggresive and irrational species before they embraced their beloved logic as a way of life. I see her drug habit as an interesting exploration of the Vulcan species, showing that they aren't always as "in control" as you might think.

                        On the matter of character flaws, one of my favorite species that hit the Star Trek universe was the Cardassians. DS9 providedthe perfect opportunity to get to know them better, but never exploredthem as much as I though they should. In the Cardassians, we had a people that had at one point been very peaceful and spiritual in their history, but desperate situations (plagues, minimal natural resources in their home solar system...) led to desperate measures, military overthrow of the civilian government, draconian laws to control rampant crime, and of course the occupation of Bajor.

                        Here you've got a group of people, some desperate to hag onto the power they have build in spite of the ugly way they have done it and others just as desperate to prove that Cardassians are not the blood thirsty butchers so many have come to think they are.

                        Lots of potential to explore an interesting species that I felt went sadly under explored.
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 23, 2004 11:42 AM
                        I agree with liking "Less-than-Utopia" plots and shower scenes. That's why I liked the final seasons of DS9, war is a dirty business. With that Section 31 or whatever it was, biological war, etc. But through it all, for me, its the ships themselves that really sustain my interest in the whole ST concept.
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 23, 2004 12:19 PM
                        Well, if TOS were to be made today instead of the 1960s, the original Enterprise would probably look very much like the NX-1 version. The designers then didn't have all of the technology to design a ship like that in the 60s. So, if you look at it in that light, the NX-1 version fits in pretty well; IMHO.
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                        Posted by Woody on Friday, April 23, 2004 12:37 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by MarinR00

                        Enterprise never grabbed me because I just could figure out how the ship designers had an Akira-style ship, then went to something much less modern looking (Constitution class, etc), then "reinvented" an old design hundreds of years later. And reinvented is pushing it, because they took the same ship, and just turned the nacelles so they faced down.
                        I guess this describes how I feel in a nut shell. They disregarded a lot of valid Star Trek history by using that ship design. It would have fit right in the battle to ward off the Borg. I guess at the heart of it I just don't believe that is a Star Trek universe vessel.

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                        Posted by torybear on Saturday, April 24, 2004 10:10 AM
                        I like the new series. The current storyline is a bit much, but I like the retro version of the ship. I would like to see more episodes like the original series about exploration and the beginings of Stat Fleet. I like the characters and the captain is more of a flashback to Kirk. I could not imagine Pickard doing some of the things that Johnathan is doing. The ethics thing in last weeks episode was interesting. How far would you comprise your ethics for some important task. I want to see more Klingons, Romulans and Vulcans. Bottom line, I hope it continues to survive.
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                        Posted by Woody on Saturday, April 24, 2004 7:47 PM
                        I was surfing Star Trek sites as I do frequently when I came across something that made me a wee bit mad. The site was called "The STF Technical Manual" and they are openly rewritting pre-TOS material to fit the "Enterprise" version. Well anyway if you are familiar with the USS Bonaventure here is their new version openly called a revision.



                        Doesn't even look a thing like the Bonaventure but it looks quite a bit like the ship from the show "Enterprise".

                        Here is the real Bonaventure



                        By the way how come the NX Enterprise wasn't on the display that was in the recreation area of the NCC-1701A of all the vessels to carry the name Enterprise? Wink [;)]

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                        Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 24, 2004 8:48 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by Woody

                        By the way how come the NX Enterprise wasn't on the display that was in the recreation area of the NCC-1701A of all the vessels to carry the name Enterprise? Wink [;)]


                        Maybe Berman could make another time travel episode and address that.................Big Smile [:D]

                        I hate to say it but that's kinda a cool design.
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                        Posted by Mikeym_us on Saturday, April 24, 2004 10:48 PM
                        hmmm that picture looks like a Starfleet version of the Romulan Bird of Prey from the TOS ?

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                        Posted by midnightprowler on Sunday, April 25, 2004 7:40 AM
                        Woody, I am with you. I don't appreciate some of the liberties been taken By Enterprise. The ships are just too modern with what is already been set for the most part.
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                        Posted by Mikeym_us on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 9:31 PM
                        hmmm 5 episodes left and they are starting to get interesting wonder when they will get to the Earth Romulan war

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                        Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 30, 2004 11:16 AM
                        You know what drives me crazy? Is all the posting that 'says' the NX-01 is a ripoff of the Akira.

                        Why isn't it possible for the Akira to be a redesign of one of Starfleet's first ships?

                        When Enterprise first started I first thought "hey, why's this ship have such a slick design comparied to the clunky NCC version? DUH! TOS came out what 30 years ago? Was Archer supposed to be wearing Beatle boots too?

                        The majority of the Star Trek shows are based around a ship. Though DS9 wasn't, they eventually got the Defiant. How would Enterprise have gone had it looked like the one in Woody's sig? (No offense to you, Woody) I think if the Enterprise looked like a trashcan with wings (again no offense), the show would have flopped.
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 30, 2004 11:30 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by Mikeym_us

                        oh by the way the borg were encountered by Admiral kirk when he went to stop V'GER from destroying the Earth remember the scene when Spock talks about seeing a planet inhabited by cybernetic creatures they were the Borg this is explained more in William (Kirk) Shatners books that take place after Generations where Jim Kirk is brought back to life yet again.


                        How Canon are the Shatner books?
                        There was a book that took place just after Star Trek IV "Save the Whales" Wink [;)]
                        It described the probe being attacked by a number of Geometric ships (cubes maybe?)

                        It seems odd that a cybernetic race would help one organically creator prob and send it on its merry way and attempt to destroy another and subsequently that probe's creators.

                        Quite likely neither books are canon and therefore, neither involved the Borg.
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                        Posted by cassibill on Friday, April 30, 2004 2:06 PM
                        Some books are canon. Mostly the Voyager books like Mosaic, Pathways, homecoming and the farther shore. Some DS9 too.

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                        Posted by Woody on Friday, April 30, 2004 6:17 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by ngc7293

                        How would Enterprise have gone had it looked like the one in Woody's sig? (No offense to you, Woody) I think if the Enterprise looked like a trashcan with wings (again no offense), the show would have flopped.
                        Well the Daedalus Class never carried the Name Enterprise for one.
                        A show featuring a Daedalus! Too cool I'd never miss a episode! Cool [8D]
                        Calling the show Enterprise is part of it's continuity flaw.
                        I thought the old style uniforms looked great on DS9. I also loved the episode of ST:TNG with Scotty. My heart skipped a beat during the scene on the halo deck featuring the old Enterprise bridge.
                        In most things I tend to look to the past. I know I'm a fossil. LOL

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                        Posted by midnightprowler on Saturday, May 1, 2004 7:48 AM
                        Sign - Ditto [#ditto] I'm with ya Woody, i felt the same way with that Next Gen episode. I have a couple of shots of the Enterprise that is supposed to be between the Space shuttle and 1701, but no way to post. You can see it on the wall in the rec. deck seen in ST The Motion Picture, and it is also in the bood Star Trek-- Space flight chronology. Woody, can ya help me post the pics?
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                        Posted by Woody on Saturday, May 1, 2004 11:55 AM
                        How are these Lee?










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                        Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 1, 2004 12:01 PM
                        I remember that book, a friend of mine had it years ago. Didn't it have a Moscow class ship too? Guess B&B didn't care to look in it. Frankly I just don't think they cared, period.
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                        Posted by Woody on Saturday, May 1, 2004 12:29 PM
                        Is this the Starship you mean Steven?


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                        Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 1, 2004 1:05 PM
                        Yes, I think that's it. I remember it being a side view, but it looks like it.
                        By the way, Hydran Ranger coming along nicely. Got shuttle bay doors in........2 side and one aft. Puttying nose section today. Warp engines will be a challenge. A friend took pics with digicam, but hasn't e-mailed them to me. I'll post when I have them. Carrier still eaking along.
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                        Posted by Woody on Saturday, May 1, 2004 1:31 PM
                        I'm really looking forward to seeing both of those projects Steve. I'm thinking about proposing a Star Trek group build after the Starfighter build closes in June. Scratchbuilt starships from any medium at least 60% from scratch. Would you be in? The starship above is a Baton Rouge class. The ship in the painting is the U.S.S. Moscow. Here is the other pic from the book.


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                        Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 1, 2004 5:22 PM
                        I like the show "Enterprise" more than any other star trek show I've watched. The script writing is superb, especially in season 3. I believe Braga and Berman have finally figured it out. I look forward to every episode.
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 1, 2004 10:05 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by Woody

                        I'm really looking forward to seeing both of those projects Steve. I'm thinking about proposing a Star Trek group build after the Starfighter build closes in June. Scratchbuilt starships from any medium at least 60% from scratch. Would you be in? The starship above is a Baton Rouge class. The ship in the painting is the U.S.S. Moscow. Here is the other pic from the book.




                        I'd definately be in for that. Might do the Orion pirate cruiser or Kzinti. Does that classify? The Moscow would be an interesting build too.
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                        Posted by Woody on Saturday, May 1, 2004 10:58 PM
                        I'm kind of thinking the Baton Rouge class would be fun myself. Here is the plans for another Orion Pirate vessel.



                        Pretty sweet, huh?

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                        Posted by Mikeym_us on Saturday, May 1, 2004 11:00 PM
                        can the Starfleet Battles miniature be included oh by the way does anybody know of any decals or markings for the miniatures since i have 4 Constitution Class Heavy Cruisers and i was planning on doing them as the Constitution, Enterprise,Defiant and Exeter. And i have a 500 series Destroyer and a 2100 series Dreadnaught plus the Starships from ADB's StarFleet Battles series but since those are Pewter i dont think those count oh and Woody if your planning on playing Klingons against me in SFB be warned i have a huge fleet of Starfleet Vessels (10) Big Smile [:D]

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                        Posted by Woody on Sunday, May 2, 2004 12:35 AM
                        Steve & Mike I'm proposing a scratchbuild of any Star Trek vessel from any printed, internet, TV, or movie source. So if it is atleast 60% scratchbuilt and it exists in the mediums listed above it would be ok. The construction mateial doesn't matter to me; wood, plastic, metal, its all good. Wink [;)]

                        Mike as far as using the Klingons, I guess me and you will have to team up and go after those rascals because I'm a hardcore Federation guy. Big Smile [:D]

                        Here comes the fleet!

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                        Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 2, 2004 9:02 AM
                        Woody, I have that FASA mini of the Pirate Blockade runner somewhere. Yes, cool ship.The Baton Rouge might be an easier build. To many odd angles on the Pirate.

                        Mike I know someone makes the decals for those Fed minis. I'll see if I can dig it up.

                        And if you guys are gonna gang up on the Klingons, I'll attack 'em from the flank with the Hydrans!!Big Smile [:D]
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                        Posted by Woody on Sunday, May 2, 2004 2:53 PM
                        Hmmm....At least they didn't have to spend a lot of money on design.




                        Looks pretty close to me. What do you think?

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                        Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 2, 2004 4:20 PM
                        Probably almost nothing on design, because they already had a pretty detailed CGI model of the Akira, so all they needed to do was tweak the image a little bit, change some dimensions, and delete a few decks from underneath the saucer. (The side views are slightly different, Akira has more desk under the saucer) If anything they had a jumping off point.

                        However, NX-01 could have flow in DS9/Voyager, and I wouldn't have thought it out of place at all, it would look good in the fleet shots. The Centur is older looking than NX01
                        Though I must say.. the Akira is such a sexy looking ship.

                        I wish they had shown more of the lesser-known classes though.. Saber, Steamrunner, Norway, and the Enterprise-J from Enterprise.
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 2, 2004 8:25 PM
                        is it just me or we getting off trackhere? i thought this debate was about the series and not just about the design of the ship.i agree the ship is definately out of sinc. with the rest of the ST universe but the writing on this 3rd series is just CRAP! this week,on this side of the pond,we've just had a story about Archer going mental over a batch of eggs for god's sake.i'm beging to think that the only ineresting character on the whole series is T'pol,and not only coz she's fit,the writers seem to find writing for her a lot easier than they do the others.maybe it's because she's a Vulcan, with a lot of hangups,and not just your usual gungho hero type.i know budget restraints account for a lot of character driven episodes,but give me a battle anytime.i had high hopes when the Makos were introduced into the story arc but apart from 1 or 2 episodes they have been inconspicuous by their absence.i can feel myself starting to ramble now,maybe its the beer,maybe i'm just tired ,its 2.30am in england,but i just feel that this series is 1 big letdown.
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                        Posted by Mikeym_us on Sunday, May 2, 2004 8:55 PM
                        actually they were in the episode when archer invaded that ship to relieve them of their warp coil so he could complete his mission

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                        Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 2, 2004 9:13 PM
                        The writing IS crap! I seem to remember an episode all about the damned dog! I actually turned it off I was so disappointed. B&B need to be fired. I think they should take a break and start a new series..............Star Trek: Titan. Riker at the helm. Hey we can dream can't we!Smile [:)]
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 3, 2004 6:31 AM
                        Geeee... maybe if they put some more time travel in there, it would be better. Thumbs Down [tdn]Tongue [:P]
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 3, 2004 8:26 AM
                        Or maybe bring in Dean Stockwell and do some Quantum Leaping.................Big Smile [:D]
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                        Posted by Woody on Monday, May 3, 2004 6:51 PM
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                        Posted by Mikeym_us on Monday, May 3, 2004 7:29 PM
                        they already had him in one of the episodes of Season 2 where he was head of a suliban concentration camp

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                        Posted by cassibill on Tuesday, May 4, 2004 2:48 PM
                        The exact episode with stockwell is called "Detained".
                        http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/library/episodes/ENT/detail/124257.html

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                        Posted by upnorth on Tuesday, May 4, 2004 8:20 PM
                        Personally, I think its high time this series showed us the formative events that created the Federation.

                        Here's an Idea: Start season 4 with Archer and company trying to stabilize hostilities between the Vulcans and Andorians. Give it a two hour season pilot so we can see the hostilities in full swing end it with a very fragile and tentative cease fire.

                        Go back to the story about mid season for one or two episodes for the purposes of checking in on the situation and solidifying the cease fire into a truce and possibly full peace accord.

                        The final episode of the season could be the initial proposal of a "Federation" to make sure the peace is kept. Of course there will still be obvious friction all around and certainly those who would try to sabotage the whole proccess, but we could start season five with the Federation as an actual working body.

                        The rest of the season could be fleshed out with stories that can be told in one hour.

                        I realized that after TOS, Voyager is my favorite Star Trek series for the simple reason that it was simple. The stories were complex enough to keep attention and be enjoyable, but simple enough to usually be taken care of begining to end in the one hour time spot. Stories from both TOS and Voyager weren't so bogged down and convoluted with subplots that you were lost iof you missed even one episode.

                        If the goal was being faithful to the spirit and intentions of TOS, then Voyager is where Berman and Bragga did it best and came closest to living up to the Star Trek legend.

                        Its time for them to move on now and let new blood take the production helm, I don't think they're hungry enough anymore to make the new series what it needs to be.
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 4, 2004 8:59 PM
                        I agree upnorth. I hated DS9, because if you missed one week, you were like "What the heck is going on!?!" Confused [%-)]

                        I've heard rumors about another ST series. Yes, I've heard about ST: Titan but also, ST; Andromeda, about the end of the Federation. Who knows, and I hate rumors, but if these rumors ARE true, I bet they will be based on how popular Enterprise was. We'll all just have to wait and see.
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                        Posted by phule on Tuesday, May 4, 2004 9:26 PM
                        UpNorth and company...

                        I dunno where this fits in... but I swear I have seen that very episode that you have proposed. I have seen many episodes that you all talk about waiting to see.. I am on the "Space Coast" oddly enough now and am catching up to shows that were shown in Tampa months before... Just wierd...
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 4, 2004 9:28 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by MarinR00

                        I agree upnorth. I hated DS9, because if you missed one week, you were like "What the heck is going on!?!" Confused [%-)]


                        I hear ya there. I had to work a lot of nights during most of DS9 and had a hard time keeping up.
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 7:30 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by MarinR00

                        Geeee... maybe if they put some more time travel in there, it would be better. Thumbs Down [tdn]Tongue [:P]


                        One of the finatics out there please do a count of all the TOS episodes where they went back in time vs Enterprise.

                        On the otherhand, remember Enterprise has involved a Time War. If they didn't have a few episodes of time travel, the whole idea would have been useless.
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 7:32 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by Woody

                        I was just wondering how you guys feel about the UPN series "Enterprise"? Does it belong in the ST universe or no? Confused [%-)]

                        http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/

                        The above site considers Enterprise to be an Alternate Universe.
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 10:43 AM
                        Well, they have done their homework on the NX class...

                        http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/misc/enterprise_design_comment.htm
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                        Posted by Woody on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 12:40 PM
                        Cool links guys! ThanksWink [;)]

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                        Posted by cassibill on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 1:14 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by phule

                        UpNorth and company...

                        I dunno where this fits in... but I swear I have seen that very episode that you have proposed. I have seen many episodes that you all talk about waiting to see.. I am on the "Space Coast" oddly enough now and am catching up to shows that were shown in Tampa months before... Just wierd...


                        You're right. the episode was called "Cease Fire" and occured about the middle of last season.
                        http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/library/episodes/ENT/detail/127523.html
                        As for the most time travel (based on main cast going to past or future in a period of 3 seasons)
                        Enterprise--------------TOS
                        Shockwave 1&2------The Naked Time
                        Carpenter Street-----Tommorrow is Yesterday
                        Azati Prime------------City on the Edge of Forever
                        ----------------------------Return to Tommorrow
                        ----------------------------Assignment Earth
                        ----------------------------All Our Yesterdays
                        3(or 4 if Shock. is 2) 6

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                        Posted by upnorth on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 5:06 PM
                        O.K.

                        I've just visited the link to do with the "Cease Fire" episode, and it seems to be one that I missed.

                        Still, the Vulcans and Andorians along with Humans are founding species of the Federation, as such, I think more episodes could focus on relations between them and other future Federation members.

                        I'd love to see some of the cross cultural difficulties and other obstacles that had to be overcome to create the Federation and hold it together.

                        I'd like to see an entire season go without any time travel, just to see if the writing team has enough creative juices left in it to not fall back on something that has become more than a bit cliched in the Star Trek universe.
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                        Posted by cassibill on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 5:40 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by upnorth

                        O.K.
                        Still, the Vulcans and Andorians along with Humans are founding species of the Federation, as such, I think more episodes could focus on relations between them and other future Federation members.

                        I'd love to see some of the cross cultural difficulties and other obstacles that had to be overcome to create the Federation and hold it together.

                        I'd like to see an entire season go without any time travel, just to see if the writing team has enough creative juices left in it to not fall back on something that has become more than a bit cliched in the Star Trek universe.

                        The entire first season with the exception of the cliffhanger had no timetravel.

                        I doubt we'll see the founding of the Fed. It was founded in 2161. That's 10 yrs after Archer set out. We'll get to see the foundation being laid for it though and the Romulan War. The war should start around season 6.

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                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 7:49 PM
                        havn't heard the rumor bout S.T. TITAN,but it sounds great.bring back Riker and Troi?YEAH!! does anybody know what type of ship TITAN is? i have an idea for this show.............civil war in the ROMULAN EMPIRE! think of the possibilities..REMANS,left behind JEMHADAR ships,the remains of the MAQUIS,alliances formed and broken with various ROMULAN factions,the return of charactors like RO LAREN,THOMAS RYKER,not to mention the possibility of using DS9.i also have an idea involving SPOCK,but that is my secret just in case i ever get to write it..which i might do if the show gets the go-ahead.
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 10:31 PM
                        My wife heard that B&B have decided that the next movie is the Star Fleet Academy idea. Bleck!! 90210 in Space! As for what knid of ship Titan was supposed to be the jury's still out on that one. Lots of opinions.
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                        Posted by upnorth on Thursday, May 6, 2004 5:28 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by cassibill

                        The entire first season with the exception of the cliffhanger had no timetravel.

                        I doubt we'll see the founding of the Fed. It was founded in 2161. That's 10 yrs after Archer set out. We'll get to see the foundation being laid for it though and the Romulan War. The war should start around season 6.


                        O.K., I'm not an avid Trekker, so I don't know all the dates of this that and the other.

                        I don't really recall a lot of the first season of Enterprise, this whole Xindi thing this year has required so much of my concentration and memory skill to keep straight, that unless something really dramatic happened in previous seasons (Like the Vulcan monastery being revealed as a spying platform against the Andorians) I get a bit foggy on it .

                        I'll take your word on it if you say there was little to no time travel in season one, but the whole time travel thing in Star Trek is more than a bit worn and should be given a significant rest.

                        I just watched Archer and crew meet their future offspring in an Enterprise that looked like it was being held together with baling wire and duct tape. A bit thin, I thought, and even more confusion to this Xindi stuff.

                        Enough already! New story lines! PLEEEEEAAASE!!!!

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                        Posted by cassibill on Thursday, May 6, 2004 5:44 PM
                        A couple more episodes will finish the season and 4 will be differant. Probably some Xindi along with the Vulcans and Andorians next season. They've only got two yrs to find, meet and annoy the Romulans into war.

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                        Posted by Mikeym_us on Thursday, May 6, 2004 7:00 PM
                        they found and annoyed the Romulans in Season 2

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                        Posted by cassibill on Thursday, May 6, 2004 7:17 PM
                        Ahh yes the mine field debacle. They found them but they didn't exactly get to "meet" them. Annoy yes, start a war no. So how do you think it will start??

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                        Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 6, 2004 8:15 PM
                        I think Trip will comment on their bad haircuts and..................................Big Smile [:D]
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                        Posted by cassibill on Thursday, May 6, 2004 8:23 PM
                        I think Archer will be giving the Romies a tour and they will interrupt Trip and T'Pol doing something a little closer the neuro-pressure.

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                        Posted by paulnchamp on Friday, May 7, 2004 11:08 PM
                        Cassibill, you're forgetting that no human has ever seen a Romulan (Spock, "Balance of Terror") so if Archer and crew DO get to meet the Romulans, it probably means that NX-01 will be destroyed somehow.
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                        Posted by Woody on Friday, May 7, 2004 11:32 PM
                        If a starship that never really existed is destroyed by aliens it was never supposed to encounter, will anyone hear it blow up? Tongue [:P]

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                        Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 8, 2004 12:40 AM
                        (Sorry, I got this thread a bit late for what is to follow...)

                        About the two Klingon "looks": Maybe they are different races of Klingon (like Asian compared to caucasian). And then maybe the lesser known group got ascendency during the TOS era but fell from grace following some horrible infraction? And their dissapearance could be explained by recessive genetic characteristics?

                        Remember, Kahless (the cloned emperor) was "born" hundreds of years before any of the series, yet he looks like "contemporary" Klingons...

                        Just my two (late) cents...
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                        Posted by Mikeym_us on Saturday, May 8, 2004 8:41 AM
                        Pat Kahless was born 1500 years before any of the series and Woody beats me but if you can hear a ship explode in the vaccume of Space you are a better man than I am. Big Smile [:D]

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                        Posted by Woody on Saturday, May 8, 2004 12:32 PM
                        Any violent release of energy will create a wave of energy that can be "heard" with the right equipment. Radio telescopes routinely record explosions from distant exploding stars, pulsar emissions and the like. Everyone have their radio telescopes pointed at Enterprise?Laugh [(-D]

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                        Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 8, 2004 3:50 PM
                        Does that mean if Archer forgets to take his Beano..................nevremind! Big Smile [:D]
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                        Posted by Woody on Saturday, May 8, 2004 5:57 PM
                        Warp Core breach!. . . Anyone have a match? LOL

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                        Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 13, 2004 2:14 PM
                        NO!NO!NO!..starfleet academy,yuk. it'll be like a cross between the police academy movies and a boy's own adventure,with quite a lot of wesley crusher type acting.again i say no!
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 13, 2004 3:25 PM
                        I'm in agreement. ST: Titan, anything else would be dumb.
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 13, 2004 8:29 PM
                        "Dumb" will be present as long as B&B are in control.
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 14, 2004 2:49 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by spock

                        havn't heard the rumor bout S.T. TITAN,but it sounds great.bring back Riker and Troi?YEAH!! does anybody know what type of ship TITAN is? i have an idea for this show.............civil war in the ROMULAN EMPIRE! think of the possibilities..REMANS,left behind JEMHADAR ships,the remains of the MAQUIS,alliances formed and broken with various ROMULAN factions,the return of charactors like RO LAREN,THOMAS RYKER,not to mention the possibility of using DS9.i also have an idea involving SPOCK,but that is my secret just in case i ever get to write it..which i might do if the show gets the go-ahead.

                        I found this on another webboard
                        QUOTE: Star Trek is in a rut. There is a stench of failure that permeates everything in the Trek canon outside of TOS. This includes, sadly, TNG, whose last two film efforts have been critical and box office failures. TNG is over. Trek needs to reinvent itself a bit, shake things up, and for it to succeed, it needs to avoid those properties and characters folks have been rejecting (DS9, VOY, ENT, and now TNG). Putting Frakes into a new series would be counter-productive to reestablishing Trek for the 21st Century.
                        "

                        I can't conceive on anything they could do since they seem to have covered all the bases.

                        They only way out is to put a show completely out of canon. To do that they would have to place it in the Future. It would have to be far enough that Voyager or Enterprise have not encountered. That way, any ship or technology won't hit any bumps like continuity

                        Maybe get the people who did Bab5 to create it.
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                        Posted by Mikeym_us on Saturday, May 15, 2004 11:05 PM
                        i found out the UFP will be founded in 2161 and the year Enterprise is in now is 2154 so they got 7 years to go till founding day :)

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                        Posted by upnorth on Sunday, May 16, 2004 3:30 PM
                        I saw a DS9 rerun last week while flipping through channels and I realized something:

                        Yes, time travel gets a bit lame and cliched as story lines go, but you don't trully hit the bottom of the barrel until you put Vegas lounge lizard on your holodeck and the crew actually likes going to see himDead [xx(]

                        I'd totally forgotten about that turkey of a character.

                        Enterprize has a loooong way to go before it stands a chance of getting that badSmile [:)]
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                        Posted by Mikeym_us on Sunday, May 16, 2004 8:15 PM
                        you talkin about Vick the sentient hologram

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                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 17, 2004 1:02 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by Woody

                        My problem with it is that the Enterprise looks too much like a post ST:NG ship. The Starships in "Enterprise" should look more, well, older looking in design than TOS ships. Another thing is that the ship never existed in the existing ST story arch. Not a bad show but it throws continuity out the window.


                        Not to mention that the uniforms are also similar in design to TNG uniforms. As for continuity, that went out the window with First Contact. I mean IF I'm not mistaken the "biggest" thing to have happened to Earth pre-Kirk was the Eugeneics war that resulted in Khan and his "band of theives" self-impossed exile. . .

                        I mean IF Earth had been attacked to where a LARGE chunk of North America was dessimated(sp) wouldn't Kirk and his crew had mentioned SOMETHING about it???

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                        Posted by paulnchamp on Monday, May 17, 2004 9:39 PM
                        We just might found out that this whole season was some kind of "alternate timeline" and never really existed. That would help keep some of the continuity between the various series.
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:12 PM
                        Wouldn't be nice if Berman and Braga were in an alternate universe and they didn't really exist.............Big Smile [:D]
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                        Posted by Mikeym_us on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 4:42 AM
                        what about the DS9 episode where Quark Rom and Nog travel to 1947 and get stuck in Roswell New Mexico :)

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                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 8:06 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by paulnchamp

                        We just might found out that this whole season was some kind of "alternate timeline" and never really existed. That would help keep some of the continuity between the various series.


                        Well, they can either pull a Dallas episode and have Archer wake up in the shower before he gets his ship. The last three seasons have been a dream brought on by heavy drinking.

                        Or they could do something so blatently out of Canon to finally admit the show is in an alternate timeline. (Maybe blow up that Klingon moon next season)
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 8:03 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by Mikeym_us

                        what about the DS9 episode where Quark Rom and Nog travel to 1947 and get stuck in Roswell New Mexico :)


                        That was actually kinda funny. Stupid, but funny.
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:06 PM
                        Just saw the latest episode............I want one of those Aquatic ships!!! Somewhat reminiscent of a SW Mon Cal crusier. And why do I have this feeling that the final episode will see the Enterprise from the Daniels future come to save the day. Just a hunch.
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                        Posted by Richard Bartrop on Thursday, May 20, 2004 1:24 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by ngc7293

                        QUOTE: Originally posted by paulnchamp

                        We just might found out that this whole season was some kind of "alternate timeline" and never really existed. That would help keep some of the continuity between the various series.


                        Well, they can either pull a Dallas episode and have Archer wake up in the shower before he gets his ship. The last three seasons have been a dream brought on by heavy drinking.

                        Or they could do something so blatently out of Canon to finally admit the show is in an alternate timeline. (Maybe blow up that Klingon moon next season)



                        How about this:
                        At the end of the season finale, there's a blinding white light, and Archer finds himself in the cockput of a Starfury. Shadow ships are closing in all around him. Just before the credits roll, he barely has time to say, "Oh boy..."
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 20, 2004 8:25 AM
                        QUOTE:
                        How about this:
                        At the end of the season finale, there's a blinding white light, and Archer finds himself in the cockput of a Starfury. Shadow ships are closing in all around him. Just before the credits roll, he barely has time to say, "Oh boy..."


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                        Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:09 AM
                        I missed the last Episode.. is the Enterprise J still showing up, or are we talking about some other future Enterprise? (which I guess they all would be. Man I hate prequels)
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                        Posted by paulnchamp on Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:20 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by StevenQ

                        Just saw the latest episode............I want one of those Aquatic ships!!! Somewhat reminiscent of a SW Mon Cal crusier. And why do I have this feeling that the final episode will see the Enterprise from the Daniels future come to save the day. Just a hunch.

                        I don't think that'll happen. In one of the "Voyager" episodes they encountered a Starfleet vessel from the future, and when Janeway asked if Voyager could be brought back to the Alpha quadrant, the pilot refused, citing the "Temporal Prime Directive."

                        I do agree with you Steve - those aquatic ships ARE cool!
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 20, 2004 11:40 PM
                        It reminded me of a prehistoric beast, like a pleisiosaur.
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                        Posted by Mikeym_us on Sunday, May 30, 2004 8:45 PM
                        well i saw the season finale episode and lets just say when the new season starts lets hope they dont screw the Earth up during WW2

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                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 31, 2004 6:44 PM
                        Mikeym_us,
                        I believe they are in San Fransisco where the Nazis took over the USA, what the year is well it looks like the 40's but not sure. It looks like another one of those "reset" episodes. I don't particularly like them but it may set the series straight and it can become the prequel it was to be. This season has definitely improved the show and I am looking foward to next season. If they can keep this up (improved writing I mean) IMO we'll have a great 4th season - remember Enterprise will be on Fridays.
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                        paulnchamp
                        • Member since
                          January 2003
                        • From: Warwick, RI
                        Posted by paulnchamp on Monday, May 31, 2004 10:21 PM
                        Yes, Enterprise is moving to Friday nights at 10 PM. The exact same time slot that doomed the original series back in 1969. How ironic.
                        Paul
                        Paul "A man's GOT to know his limitations."
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 1, 2004 9:28 AM
                        It can't be 10pm on Fridays. UPN has their news hours start at 10 every night.

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                        Ok, Star Trek.com says it's 9pm on Fridays. That sucks, because it is opposite Stargate!
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                        upnorth
                        • Member since
                          December 2002
                        • From: Canada / Czech Republic
                        Posted by upnorth on Tuesday, June 1, 2004 5:49 PM
                        Hopefully you're Star Trek schedules are more prdictable than mine.

                        The channel we get Enterprise on here can get pretty unpredictable with its programing. This season's Enterprise time slot was Wednesday at 9:00 p.m.

                        It wasn't unusual, however to have Enterprise bumped out of the week's viewing by The Batchelor . The two shows seemed to share the time slot on a bi weekly rotating basis }:-P
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                        Mikeym_us
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                          March 2004
                        • From: Kincheloe Michigan
                        Posted by Mikeym_us on Tuesday, June 1, 2004 9:36 PM
                        i watch it Friday nights at 11 on Fox where I live and then its on again at 7 on Saturday

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