Enterprise the series.

Personally, I think its high time this series showed us the formative events that created the Federation.

Here's an Idea: Start season 4 with Archer and company trying to stabilize hostilities between the Vulcans and Andorians. Give it a two hour season pilot so we can see the hostilities in full swing end it with a very fragile and tentative cease fire.

Go back to the story about mid season for one or two episodes for the purposes of checking in on the situation and solidifying the cease fire into a truce and possibly full peace accord.

The final episode of the season could be the initial proposal of a "Federation" to make sure the peace is kept. Of course there will still be obvious friction all around and certainly those who would try to sabotage the whole proccess, but we could start season five with the Federation as an actual working body.

The rest of the season could be fleshed out with stories that can be told in one hour.

I realized that after TOS, Voyager is my favorite Star Trek series for the simple reason that it was simple. The stories were complex enough to keep attention and be enjoyable, but simple enough to usually be taken care of begining to end in the one hour time spot. Stories from both TOS and Voyager weren't so bogged down and convoluted with subplots that you were lost iof you missed even one episode.

If the goal was being faithful to the spirit and intentions of TOS, then Voyager is where Berman and Bragga did it best and came closest to living up to the Star Trek legend.

Its time for them to move on now and let new blood take the production helm, I don't think they're hungry enough anymore to make the new series what it needs to be.

I agree upnorth. I hated DS9, because if you missed one week, you were like "What the heck is going on!?!"

I've heard rumors about another ST series. Yes, I've heard about ST: Titan but also, ST; Andromeda, about the end of the Federation. Who knows, and I hate rumors, but if these rumors ARE true, I bet they will be based on how popular Enterprise was. We'll all just have to wait and see.

UpNorth and company...

I dunno where this fits in... but I swear I have seen that very episode that you have proposed. I have seen many episodes that you all talk about waiting to see.. I am on the "Space Coast" oddly enough now and am catching up to shows that were shown in Tampa months before... Just wierd...

QUOTE: Originally posted by MarinR00 I agree upnorth. I hated DS9, because if you missed one week, you were like "What the heck is going on!?!"

I hear ya there. I had to work a lot of nights during most of DS9 and had a hard time keeping up.

QUOTE: Originally posted by MarinR00 Geeee... maybe if they put some more time travel in there, it would be better.

One of the finatics out there please do a count of all the TOS episodes where they went back in time vs Enterprise.

On the otherhand, remember Enterprise has involved a Time War. If they didn't have a few episodes of time travel, the whole idea would have been useless.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Woody I was just wondering how you guys feel about the UPN series "Enterprise"? Does it belong in the ST universe or no?

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/

The above site considers Enterprise to be an Alternate Universe.

Well, they have done their homework on the NX class...

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/misc/enterprise_design_comment.htm

Cool links guys! Thanks

QUOTE: Originally posted by phule UpNorth and company... I dunno where this fits in... but I swear I have seen that very episode that you have proposed. I have seen many episodes that you all talk about waiting to see.. I am on the "Space Coast" oddly enough now and am catching up to shows that were shown in Tampa months before... Just wierd...

You're right. the episode was called "Cease Fire" and occured about the middle of last season.
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/library/episodes/ENT/detail/127523.html
As for the most time travel (based on main cast going to past or future in a period of 3 seasons)
Enterprise--------------TOS
Shockwave 1&2------The Naked Time
Carpenter Street-----Tommorrow is Yesterday
Azati Prime------------City on the Edge of Forever
----------------------------Return to Tommorrow
----------------------------Assignment Earth
----------------------------All Our Yesterdays
3(or 4 if Shock. is 2) 6

O.K.

I've just visited the link to do with the "Cease Fire" episode, and it seems to be one that I missed.

Still, the Vulcans and Andorians along with Humans are founding species of the Federation, as such, I think more episodes could focus on relations between them and other future Federation members.

I'd love to see some of the cross cultural difficulties and other obstacles that had to be overcome to create the Federation and hold it together.

I'd like to see an entire season go without any time travel, just to see if the writing team has enough creative juices left in it to not fall back on something that has become more than a bit cliched in the Star Trek universe.

QUOTE: Originally posted by upnorth O.K. Still, the Vulcans and Andorians along with Humans are founding species of the Federation, as such, I think more episodes could focus on relations between them and other future Federation members. I'd love to see some of the cross cultural difficulties and other obstacles that had to be overcome to create the Federation and hold it together. I'd like to see an entire season go without any time travel, just to see if the writing team has enough creative juices left in it to not fall back on something that has become more than a bit cliched in the Star Trek universe.

The entire first season with the exception of the cliffhanger had no timetravel.

I doubt we'll see the founding of the Fed. It was founded in 2161. That's 10 yrs after Archer set out. We'll get to see the foundation being laid for it though and the Romulan War. The war should start around season 6.

havn't heard the rumor bout S.T. TITAN,but it sounds great.bring back Riker and Troi?YEAH!! does anybody know what type of ship TITAN is? i have an idea for this show.............civil war in the ROMULAN EMPIRE! think of the possibilities..REMANS,left behind JEMHADAR ships,the remains of the MAQUIS,alliances formed and broken with various ROMULAN factions,the return of charactors like RO LAREN,THOMAS RYKER,not to mention the possibility of using DS9.i also have an idea involving SPOCK,but that is my secret just in case i ever get to write it..which i might do if the show gets the go-ahead.

My wife heard that B&B have decided that the next movie is the Star Fleet Academy idea. Bleck!! 90210 in Space! As for what knid of ship Titan was supposed to be the jury's still out on that one. Lots of opinions.

QUOTE: Originally posted by cassibill The entire first season with the exception of the cliffhanger had no timetravel. I doubt we'll see the founding of the Fed. It was founded in 2161. That's 10 yrs after Archer set out. We'll get to see the foundation being laid for it though and the Romulan War. The war should start around season 6.

O.K., I'm not an avid Trekker, so I don't know all the dates of this that and the other.

I don't really recall a lot of the first season of Enterprise, this whole Xindi thing this year has required so much of my concentration and memory skill to keep straight, that unless something really dramatic happened in previous seasons (Like the Vulcan monastery being revealed as a spying platform against the Andorians) I get a bit foggy on it .

I'll take your word on it if you say there was little to no time travel in season one, but the whole time travel thing in Star Trek is more than a bit worn and should be given a significant rest.

I just watched Archer and crew meet their future offspring in an Enterprise that looked like it was being held together with baling wire and duct tape. A bit thin, I thought, and even more confusion to this Xindi stuff.

Enough already! New story lines! PLEEEEEAAASE!!!!

A couple more episodes will finish the season and 4 will be differant. Probably some Xindi along with the Vulcans and Andorians next season. They've only got two yrs to find, meet and annoy the Romulans into war.

they found and annoyed the Romulans in Season 2

Ahh yes the mine field debacle. They found them but they didn't exactly get to "meet" them. Annoy yes, start a war no. So how do you think it will start??

I think Trip will comment on their bad haircuts and..................................

I think Archer will be giving the Romies a tour and they will interrupt Trip and T'Pol doing something a little closer the neuro-pressure.

Cassibill, you're forgetting that no human has ever seen a Romulan (Spock, "Balance of Terror") so if Archer and crew DO get to meet the Romulans, it probably means that NX-01 will be destroyed somehow.
Paul

If a starship that never really existed is destroyed by aliens it was never supposed to encounter, will anyone hear it blow up?

In space no one can hear you babble incoherently

(Sorry, I got this thread a bit late for what is to follow...)

About the two Klingon "looks": Maybe they are different races of Klingon (like Asian compared to caucasian). And then maybe the lesser known group got ascendency during the TOS era but fell from grace following some horrible infraction? And their dissapearance could be explained by recessive genetic characteristics?

Remember, Kahless (the cloned emperor) was "born" hundreds of years before any of the series, yet he looks like "contemporary" Klingons...

Just my two (late) cents...

Pat Kahless was born 1500 years before any of the series and Woody beats me but if you can hear a ship explode in the vaccume of Space you are a better man than I am.

Any violent release of energy will create a wave of energy that can be "heard" with the right equipment. Radio telescopes routinely record explosions from distant exploding stars, pulsar emissions and the like. Everyone have their radio telescopes pointed at Enterprise?

Does that mean if Archer forgets to take his Beano..................nevremind!

Warp Core breach!. . . Anyone have a match? LOL

NO!NO!NO!..starfleet academy,yuk. it'll be like a cross between the police academy movies and a boy's own adventure,with quite a lot of wesley crusher type acting.again i say no!

I'm in agreement. ST: Titan, anything else would be dumb.

"Dumb" will be present as long as B&B are in control.

QUOTE: Originally posted by spock havn't heard the rumor bout S.T. TITAN,but it sounds great.bring back Riker and Troi?YEAH!! does anybody know what type of ship TITAN is? i have an idea for this show.............civil war in the ROMULAN EMPIRE! think of the possibilities..REMANS,left behind JEMHADAR ships,the remains of the MAQUIS,alliances formed and broken with various ROMULAN factions,the return of charactors like RO LAREN,THOMAS RYKER,not to mention the possibility of using DS9.i also have an idea involving SPOCK,but that is my secret just in case i ever get to write it..which i might do if the show gets the go-ahead.

I found this on another webboard

QUOTE: Star Trek is in a rut. There is a stench of failure that permeates everything in the Trek canon outside of TOS. This includes, sadly, TNG, whose last two film efforts have been critical and box office failures. TNG is over. Trek needs to reinvent itself a bit, shake things up, and for it to succeed, it needs to avoid those properties and characters folks have been rejecting (DS9, VOY, ENT, and now TNG). Putting Frakes into a new series would be counter-productive to reestablishing Trek for the 21st Century.

"

I can't conceive on anything they could do since they seem to have covered all the bases.

They only way out is to put a show completely out of canon. To do that they would have to place it in the Future. It would have to be far enough that Voyager or Enterprise have not encountered. That way, any ship or technology won't hit any bumps like continuity

Maybe get the people who did Bab5 to create it.