Enterprise the series.

I like Voyager too. It fits in the Trek universe, which by the way is not our universe. If it were we would have already sent Kahn packing in the DY-100 freighter "Botany Bay"!

I think its getting a bit thin in the story line dpertment, the same plot ideas are getting recycled over and over again. I definitely think they need to shake things up and bring in some new blood in the production and writing staff.

The first couple of seasons were good, a whole story could be encapsulated in an hour and you could expect a new story next week. This season is like the last few seasons of DS9, the storyline was so long and the episodes al interconnected that if you missed one, you were more than a bit lost when you saw the next. I'd hate to see Enterprise go the way DS9 did (crossing over from Sci Fi to a soap opera in space) I followed DS9 for the first 4 or 5 seasons but it became unwatchable to me after that.

I might be one of the few Star Trek fans you'll find that will defend the Voyager series. I felt it was the most faithful to the ideas and stories of the original series. Really far away from home in the midst of the unknown, often having to make it up as you go along and throwing the rule book out the window to get a job done sometimes. Then there's the "cowboy" edge that comes with being out on the "Frontier" that shoot first and ask questions later sort of attitude that we often saw with Kirk and company.

Voyager was an encapsulated story that didn't deviate a whole lot from its initial story line during its run, whatever the subplots were, the bottom line was getting the ship and crew home, by any means possible. It was like they had written the entire story begining to end before puting any of it to film, none of the stories felt out of place and I think thats why I enjoyed it so much.

With this Enterprise season, this entire Xindi weapon story should have been made into a two hour pilot episode for the season and been done with. Dragging it on for so long shows a tremendous level of complacency on the part of the story writing, editing, and production people, I just want to take them all by their collective shirt collars, give em' a good shake and say "Get to the point and get on with a new story! You're making television, not feature films!"

My favorite is how Klingons and Romulans were discovered. In ST: NG, Picard says that they made first contact with the Klingons when they first developed warp drive. Yet in Enterprise, Klingons came to Earth first. In TOS, in one episode no human ever saw a Romulan and they were shocked to see how close they looked to Vulcans. In Enterprise even the Vulcans did not know what Romulans looked like but they meet some in the one episode. Enterprise can stay but the stories need some juicing!

I do not know but I like "Enterprise". I think you need to look at it as if it was it's own series and not connected to TOS or ST: NG, etc. Yes this Xindie stuff needs to get over. The time travel is a bit off. I mean even Einstien said if you travel at the speed of light you have time travel. A Vulcan to say no such thing when they have warp capability is hard to believe. I think it needs to focus on some of the origins of Federation members from TOS. I try to think of it as being a different series because as you watch TOS reruns and ST: NG you see and hear different story lines than what is being shown.

Out here in Desertland, the Enterprise has just gone into the Deltic? quadrant, I think that's right, after the Xindi. So, there is another series to come, I did wonder.
I don't think photon torpedo's were seen before Wrath of Kahn, or were they? so The original series could have used the ones we saw on Enterprise.
I'm no expert on ST, but I do enjoy Sci Fi, never did get to grips with DS9 much though, and Babylon 5 lost it's grip after a while, which just proves the 'each to his own' saying.
Pete

I like Enterprise (except for the time travel crap) I didnt like voyager at all, I liked DS9, Next Generation was alright but there were to many Capt's and not enough crewmen (sorry crew persons!). Right about now I'd watch anything as I still have the DT's because Babylon 5 is no more (the greatest sci fi show ever period!!).

In the beginning I felt they were "forcing" this to work. Some stories were OK others did not merit a look. This season though has peaked my interest. I think they hit their stride. The Archer character is definitely "tuned up" IMHO and I am looking forward to how they will handle the ethical issues. In this series, just like today's wars, inorder to be successful, we must stand our ethical "clocks" and moral compasses on end or lose.

actually they are called Phase pistols but what about the rifles they almost look like retro pulse rifles from Voyager and the Next Generation movies :) Oh and what about the Photonic Torpedos now those arent retro they look like the casings from Star Trek II the Wrath of Kahn you know Spocks funeral scene

I agree about the retro look of the costumes and I did buy a phaser which I like the design of also.

I've only seen about 15 shows from the first and second seasons, but I've thoroughly enjoyed what I've seen. I quite like the design of the ship, and the overall look of the show in general. Hey, it's a REAL tough job designing stuff "retro" enough to satisfy everybody. Star Wars, Star Trek...well, I can't think of anything else, but when you have to satisfy a modern audience that demands all the bells and whistles, it's tough coming up with something simpler and less "evolved."

I think the uniforms are sufficiently "devolved, " though. Heck, some of the Starfleet brass are wearing neckties! And the crew's jumpsuits seem to be just right.

look at it this way Berman created Deep Space 9 and it was a hit and he also came up with Voyager and that was also a hit as well so lets wait and see if it lasts since 2 seasons arent much it is the other 5 seasons that would make it or break it

Come on John don't hold back any punches.

I gave it a chance. It sucks. I hate the ship completely.

Maybe some fans will make a pre-TOS movie like the one that group in Texas made. I know where they can recruit some model builders!

I like the series, but do not like the current story line. I feel it has a lot of potential. I also agree with the statements that the ship looks too modern and is of a post-TNG design. It appears much more manueverable than the TOS Enterprise and along the same lines as the DS9 Defiant.

The first time I saw that ship I said "Akira". It's a good looking ship, just out of place. And Woody is right, continuity has gone right out the window (or hatch).

And throw in some lame time travel stories and you have a typical Berman and Braga excuse for sci-fi! I think its time to give them the old heave ho!
As far as the "Akiraprise" I agree that its a nice ship, just doesn't fit.

I agree with Woody. The ship itself doesn't look "retro" enough; it looks like fifty or a hundred years AFTER Kirk's time, not before.

As far as the storylines go, they're hit or miss. This entire season has the ongoing storyline of the Xindi and their superweapon, and it's starting to drag.

Of course it doesn't help that there's so many re-runs, either.

My problem with it is that the Enterprise looks too much like a post ST:NG ship. The Starships in "Enterprise" should look more, well, older looking in design than TOS ships. Another thing is that the ship never existed in the existing ST story arch. Not a bad show but it throws continuity out the window.

Yes and No. I watched first 2 years religously just like all the others. But this season I just couldn't care about the show. I don't know what it is exactly, but I've lost interest in it.

i believe it does since it is about the years after Star Trek First Contact