Enterprise the series.

cassibill

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Posted by cassibill on Thursday, April 22, 2004 7:01 PM

QUOTE: Enterprise has potential, and I like seeing the human characters with human flaws, it makes them easier to relate to.

Don't forget T'Pol's drug habit.

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upnorth

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Posted by upnorth on Thursday, April 22, 2004 5:17 PM

Last night, I watched a pretty decent episode of Enterprise.

The ship is battered up by a Xindi attack. While trying to make the extensive repairs, they encounter a ship of seemingly peaceful aliens. Eventually Archer leads a boarding party to steal the alien's warp coil to replace Enterprise's damaged one.

No, I don't like what he did, I think it was real low and dirty. Some of my favorite Star Trek episodes (regardless of series) are the ones that show Star Fleet with real human flaws, not the squeaky clean image of them that was so often seen in TNG. The image that says, "Well, we have all humanities flaws under control, lets go solve the problems of everyone else in the galaxy). Thats not to say that I didn't enjoy TNG, I just think that the darker side of humanity could have come through a touch more often for the sake of reality.

Thats why I liked Voyager, the characters weren't perfect, they had flaws and issues that were apparent and believable. They had a captain who wasn't affraid to bend or totally break every rule in the book to get a job accomplished. Prime Directive to hell, if fighting dirty is what it takes to get your job done and ensure the survival of your crew, do it.

Enterprise has potential, and I like seeing the human characters with human flaws, it makes them easier to relate to.

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philp

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Posted by philp on Thursday, April 22, 2004 1:48 AM

I consider myself a Trekker (not a Trekkie) but mainly watch for the entertainment. Star Trek is Star Trek.. I will admit that most of my favorite Trek episodes (and movies) are those that have a little humor in them. My next favorite are when they are doing all the fighting (so much for diplomacy). I could never figure out why the old Akira class surfaced in the later series (must be old as it looks a little like the NX-01). I think they have handled the older looking technology pretty well without going too campy (even todays subs look newer than 1701). I will continue to watch the series as long as it lasts and leave any "historical" concerns to those that really care.
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traveller

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Posted by traveller on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:40 PM

OK, I have just looked through this whole debate, and I want to add my bit! First: Time Travel works for Dr Who. Second: as already mentioned, you cannot satisfy everyone, but in saying this, I have not seen the latest series with the Xindi, as it is not being screened here in Oz yet. When I do I will make up my mind. Thirdly: I agree that the story lines can be drawn out a bit. All I can say, I do like the show, and any loopholes should just be ignored. I imagine that doing a show like this with a long history behind it is difficult, so give them a chance!! If it does not work, well too bad. See you guys later, happy modelling!!! SoapBox [soapbox]

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 6:23 PM

all the above mentioned reasons and the apparent sophistication of the viewing fans makes it almost impossible for this new series to totally satisfy even 50% of the audience.i frtunately am satisfied with the new technology.i 'll watch it just for chance of seeing a new starship nad possibly another sonic shower.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:17 PM

Oh yeah! I totally agree they are indeed totally different ships (somewhat)

http://www.stguardian.to/fed/nx01/index.html
vs.
http://www.stguardian.to/fed/akira/index.html

I mean the difference are striking, but I felt a new ST series should include a totally new starship concept. i.e. Defiant, Voyager, and the various Enterprises. This ship seemed to me, too futuristic for a time prior to the Constitution class.

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Mikeym_us

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:00 PM

well the difference between the NX-01 and the Akira is 2 things #1 is the saucer the Akira has a somewhat eliptical shape and the Enterprise has a basic circular shape except for the cutout for the deflector array. #2 is the Nacell configuration the configuration on Enterprise NX-01 is that it is basically the same as on regular starfleet vessels the "upward V" configuration like what is seen on the TOS enterprise and the TNG Enterprise E but the Akira has a "Downward V" configuration

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:45 AM

I'm not going to get into the whole Enterprise debate. Not again. But as for the appearance of the Klingons -- as Ronald D. Moore says in the fifth season DVD set for DS9, the makeup changed. If it weren't for the "Trials and Tribble-ations" episode, we could pretend the Klingons always looked the way they do today. But there's no explanation I've ever heard for why they look different now that makes any real sense. Sure, they could have been surgically altered. But why? To what end? It just strains credibility to the breaking point. They weren't a different race of Klingons, because we saw Kang, Koloth and Kor on DS9 and they looked the same as all the other Klingons do today, and not as they did on TOS.

That's why Worf's remark about the difference in their appearance is not a "lame explanation" -- it isn't an explanation at all, nor was it intended to be. I thought it was brilliant. I just imagined all the other fans (and I did the same thing), watching that episode for the first time, sitting on the edge of their seats and thinking, "Now they're going to have to explain why the Klingons used to look different! Finally, the mystery will be solved once and for all!" And then getting Worf saying, essentially, "None of your business." Just brilliant! I laughed so hard I missed the next three minutes of the episode.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 9:23 PM

Hey everyone, I just thought I would add my two cents in. I never really watched ST for the plots, but I am in love with the ships.. (a true modeler at heart I guess). So in that capacity I loved the last seasons of DS9, because of the armadas seen and great potential to model them. http://www.starshipmodeler.org/gallery8/rc_hancock.htm

Enterprise never grabbed me because I just could figure out how the ship designers had an Akira-style ship, then went to something much less modern looking (Constitution class, etc), then "reinvented" an old design hundreds of years later. And reinvented is pushing it, because they took the same ship, and just turned the nacelles so they faced down. Enterprise did throw a teaser out there when they showed some quick shots of the mysterious "Enterprise-J". Though I'll confess, that was the one episode I've actually watched. I have heard rumors of some new ST series being toyed with involving the fall of the Federation, but who knows. I'll just continue to give my paycheck to the people at Federation Models to build a 1/1400 fleet of my own.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 3:55 PM

personally i'm getting a bit bored with Enterprise,and i,as a lifelong fan,can't wait for this season to end.i can't beleive i just wrote that last line,but unless this series is given a kick up the arse quickly i can't see it being continued coz people r just gonna turn off!don't get me wrong i like Archer, T'pol even Trip but Phlox and the rest get on my nips.bring on the Andorrians

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 17, 2004 6:52 AM

I agree with most on the idea that the Xindi story line is getting a little drawn out and I believe the original story line (future guy), which still is in play, should be closed out. Let's get another ship out there and some more Star Fleet/Enterprise interaction. Disapprove [V]

Sending the 1 ship out to an unknown area of the galaxy to fight and destroy who knows what without backup or support is a little crazy especially for the military. I like Archer's character development, they are a little thin with T'Pol, Malcom and Trip and seemed to have written off Hoshi and Travis. The premise is good, the actors are right, (even the MACOs are good for a little juice), now the production team needs to tie it up.

Smile [:)]

Even after this said, I still will watch. I just love "Trek"

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cassibill

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Posted by cassibill on Friday, April 16, 2004 5:19 PM

I wonder it the Klingon forehead ridges areexplained in any of the books. I'll have to look.

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cassibill

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Posted by cassibill on Friday, April 16, 2004 5:18 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mikeym_us

actually the real bad guys are the people who created the deltic expanse they are the ones who told the Xindi that Earth wipes them out in the future yeah and i hope Trip has a romantic involvement with T'pol i mean heck i wouldnt mind a romantic involvement with her :P

Have you seen the trailer for next week?? I wonder what T'Pol's little problem that she tells Phlox is: Pon Farr, some odd Vucan disease, or (my vote) Charles Tucker IV.

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Mikeym_us

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Friday, April 16, 2004 5:00 PM

actually the real bad guys are the people who created the deltic expanse they are the ones who told the Xindi that Earth wipes them out in the future yeah and i hope Trip has a romantic involvement with T'pol i mean heck i wouldnt mind a romantic involvement with her :P

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 16, 2004 12:47 PM

if the guy helping Archer is from the 31st century,fighting a war that shouldn't have been,then when Enterprise beats the Xindii ,the the guy from thr future can go back in time and remove all evidence,and T'pol and Trip can wake up in a shower together! Sorry i must go and lay down after THAT thought.

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midnightprowler

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Posted by midnightprowler on Friday, April 16, 2004 4:50 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by wipw

Good thing this stuff is only fantasy!

You mean to tell me Star Trek isn't real!!??
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upnorth

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Posted by upnorth on Thursday, April 15, 2004 8:03 PM

Yes, I seem to recall that about Section 31, but if they have been around as long as Starfleet itself, then certainly other things occupied their secretive intrests before the Founders or Dominion were even heard of by the Federation. So at that, its totally plausible to put them in a position of hiding away the Borg bits and pieces and erasing any evidence of the borg at all from Starfleet records. That would certainly be a good way to keep the Borg out of the story line until Q brought Picard and company toe to toe with them.

Anyway, I hope the Enterprise series gets back to a good pace and off this Xindi kick soon, I'm getting to the point where I almost don't care if I see the show or not. I can think of one or two other Sci-Fi series that had some good potential that got ruined by writing teams that had no business writing for Sci-Fi. I'd hate to see Enterprise go that way. TNG and Voyager rode off into the Sci-Fi sunset in respectable style, DS9 limped its way off the air as a cliched soap opera in space. I'd hope only one Star Trek series would have the indignity of going off the air in DS9 fashion.

Enterprise has a good cast, but the production crew has gotten too comfortable in their positions and obviously are thinking they can throw anything at Star Trek fans and get it eaten up. Berman and Bragga gotta go, that would be a good first step.

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Mikeym_us

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Thursday, April 15, 2004 10:46 AM

you talking about Starfleet Section 31 if you remember they used Biological warfare to try to wipe out the Founders which i find to be a barbaric way to fight a war but this went on before the Federation Dominion war.

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upnorth

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Posted by upnorth on Thursday, April 15, 2004 10:17 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by StevenQ

I must say that despite the whole timeline stuff the Borg episode of Enterprise was one of the better ones. And it was always nice to see the Andorians, one of my favorite races. Now the Ferengi episode was a joke.

If I recall correctly, toward the end of the DS9 series run (when I was only watching it sporadically) there was some storyline or subplot about a clandestine branch of Starfleet that officially didn't exist, but had been in existence since the very foundation of Starfleet. This could go a long way in explaining no reference to the Borg until Q brought them into the picture. Why shouldn't Starfleet have had its own special "Area 51" for keeping alien knick knacks a secret?

I also am glad to see the Andorians playing a major role in the new series, as they were one of the Federation's founding races, its also good to see that however they came to be allied with the Humans and Vulcans, it wasn't easy at first. Lots of mistrust to overcome.

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Mikeym_us

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 10:15 PM

oh by the way the borg were encountered by Admiral kirk when he went to stop V'GER from destroying the Earth remember the scene when Spock talks about seeing a planet inhabited by cybernetic creatures they were the Borg this is explained more in William (Kirk) Shatners books that take place after Generations where Jim Kirk is brought back to life yet again.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 9:43 PM

I must say that despite the whole timeline stuff the Borg episode of Enterprise was one of the better ones. And it was always nice to see the Andorians, one of my favorite races. Now the Ferengi episode was a joke.

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wipw

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Posted by wipw on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 9:04 PM

QUOTE: From what I gathered about the Borg episode. They were "survivors" from the time travel sphere near the beginning of the First Contact movie. The sphere was destroyed after traveling back to the "past".

I'd buy that except, how come Kirk and crew and the first however many years of TNG didn't know about the Borg? Why did Q make such a big deal about introducing them to eachother earlier than they should have been? I think they just messed up!

I guess I can buy the cosmetically altered Klingons, too. But it still seems like a "work around" to me!!

Good thing this stuff is only fantasy!

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Mikeym_us

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 7:43 PM

actually the Klingons in the TOS were cosmetically altered to look like humans for some strang reason and the Klingons wont explain the reason saying it was an embarassing period in their history. i doubt that they will ever come up for a reason any time soon

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 6:48 PM

Time travel = pathetic excuse for lack of writing skills and imagination.

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therriman

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Posted by therriman on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 6:23 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by wipw
Second, why the heck do the Klingons look like post TOS Klingons? Even in Voyager when they went back in time to Kirk's Enterprise they had a (lame) comment about "Yes, those are Klingons...Don't ask). And third, didn't I see a mention of the Borg in one of the Enterprise episodes?

The episode in question was a Deep Space 9 show titled "Trials and Tribulations".
And it WAS a LAME way to deal with the difference.

From what I gathered about the Borg episode. They were "survivors" from the time travel sphere near the beginning of the First Contact movie. The sphere was destroyed after traveling back to the "past".

Oh, and Welcome to the asylum Spock.

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wipw

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Posted by wipw on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 4:59 PM

I've enjoyed the few episodes I've actually seen, except for a few things. First, I agree the ship looks way to "modern". That was my first comment when I saw it the first time. Second, why the heck do the Klingons look like post TOS Klingons? Even in Voyager when they went back in time to Kirk's Enterprise they had a (lame) comment about "Yes, those are Klingons...Don't ask). And third, didn't I see a mention of the Borg in one of the Enterprise episodes?

Yep, they need to be done with this Xindi crap. I mean, it's not like we don't know who wins in the end, right? I didn't notice that Kirk, et al, were on Xindi ships!

Off the soap box. Interesting discussion!

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Posted by Woody on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 5:30 PM

Hello Spock. Welcome to the forum. Big Smile [:D]

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 1:48 PM

hi! i've only just joined and this is my first contribution.i think that Enterprise on the whole is a good series,but this third series is pushing the boundries of believability and continuity with the rest of the st universe.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 12, 2004 8:09 AM

UpNorth, I too enjoyed Voyager, a female Captain & a part renegade crew made for some interesting storylines. The location made for some interesting aliens.
Is it me, or do aliens just need a funny nose job to qualify? Why are they never ten feet tall, or three feet tall, or have huge feet/lung capacity (careful!) & how does chef know what they'll eat?
As for script tightening in Enterprise, I spotted a big boo boo the other week.
Archer was in the pre Enterprise experimental ship, when they were taking it out against orders. He said,' I can't get the auxiliary APU's on line'. Er, APU stands for...
Auxiliary Power Unit, oops!
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paulnchamp

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Posted by paulnchamp on Saturday, April 10, 2004 9:37 PM

Upnorth, you've got the right idea. This whole Xindi storyline should have been resolved in two or three episodes. I have this sinking feeling that the whole season is going to revolve around the Xindi and ultimately just fizzle out.

They need to tie "Enterprise" into some of the questions that went unanswered in Kirk's time, like the rise of Khan Noonien Singh or Colonel Green's war in the 21st century.
That would really get things moving!
Paul

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