Enterprise the series.

Probably almost nothing on design, because they already had a pretty detailed CGI model of the Akira, so all they needed to do was tweak the image a little bit, change some dimensions, and delete a few decks from underneath the saucer. (The side views are slightly different, Akira has more desk under the saucer) If anything they had a jumping off point.

However, NX-01 could have flow in DS9/Voyager, and I wouldn't have thought it out of place at all, it would look good in the fleet shots. The Centur is older looking than NX01
Though I must say.. the Akira is such a sexy looking ship.

I wish they had shown more of the lesser-known classes though.. Saber, Steamrunner, Norway, and the Enterprise-J from Enterprise.

Hmmm....At least they didn't have to spend a lot of money on design.




Looks pretty close to me. What do you think?

Woody, I have that FASA mini of the Pirate Blockade runner somewhere. Yes, cool ship.The Baton Rouge might be an easier build. To many odd angles on the Pirate.

Mike I know someone makes the decals for those Fed minis. I'll see if I can dig it up.

And if you guys are gonna gang up on the Klingons, I'll attack 'em from the flank with the Hydrans!!

Steve & Mike I'm proposing a scratchbuild of any Star Trek vessel from any printed, internet, TV, or movie source. So if it is atleast 60% scratchbuilt and it exists in the mediums listed above it would be ok. The construction mateial doesn't matter to me; wood, plastic, metal, its all good.

Mike as far as using the Klingons, I guess me and you will have to team up and go after those rascals because I'm a hardcore Federation guy.

Here comes the fleet!

can the Starfleet Battles miniature be included oh by the way does anybody know of any decals or markings for the miniatures since i have 4 Constitution Class Heavy Cruisers and i was planning on doing them as the Constitution, Enterprise,Defiant and Exeter. And i have a 500 series Destroyer and a 2100 series Dreadnaught plus the Starships from ADB's StarFleet Battles series but since those are Pewter i dont think those count oh and Woody if your planning on playing Klingons against me in SFB be warned i have a huge fleet of Starfleet Vessels (10)

I'm kind of thinking the Baton Rouge class would be fun myself. Here is the plans for another Orion Pirate vessel.



Pretty sweet, huh?

QUOTE: Originally posted by Woody I'm really looking forward to seeing both of those projects Steve. I'm thinking about proposing a Star Trek group build after the Starfighter build closes in June. Scratchbuilt starships from any medium at least 60% from scratch. Would you be in? The starship above is a Baton Rouge class. The ship in the painting is the U.S.S. Moscow. Here is the other pic from the book.

I'd definately be in for that. Might do the Orion pirate cruiser or Kzinti. Does that classify? The Moscow would be an interesting build too.

I like the show "Enterprise" more than any other star trek show I've watched. The script writing is superb, especially in season 3. I believe Braga and Berman have finally figured it out. I look forward to every episode.

I'm really looking forward to seeing both of those projects Steve. I'm thinking about proposing a Star Trek group build after the Starfighter build closes in June. Scratchbuilt starships from any medium at least 60% from scratch. Would you be in? The starship above is a Baton Rouge class. The ship in the painting is the U.S.S. Moscow. Here is the other pic from the book.

Yes, I think that's it. I remember it being a side view, but it looks like it.
By the way, Hydran Ranger coming along nicely. Got shuttle bay doors in........2 side and one aft. Puttying nose section today. Warp engines will be a challenge. A friend took pics with digicam, but hasn't e-mailed them to me. I'll post when I have them. Carrier still eaking along.

Is this the Starship you mean Steven?

I remember that book, a friend of mine had it years ago. Didn't it have a Moscow class ship too? Guess B&B didn't care to look in it. Frankly I just don't think they cared, period.

How are these Lee?

I'm with ya Woody, i felt the same way with that Next Gen episode. I have a couple of shots of the Enterprise that is supposed to be between the Space shuttle and 1701, but no way to post. You can see it on the wall in the rec. deck seen in ST The Motion Picture, and it is also in the bood Star Trek-- Space flight chronology. Woody, can ya help me post the pics?
Lee

QUOTE: Originally posted by ngc7293 How would Enterprise have gone had it looked like the one in Woody's sig? (No offense to you, Woody) I think if the Enterprise looked like a trashcan with wings (again no offense), the show would have flopped.

Well the Daedalus Class never carried the Name Enterprise for one.
A show featuring a Daedalus! Too cool I'd never miss a episode!
Calling the show Enterprise is part of it's continuity flaw.
I thought the old style uniforms looked great on DS9. I also loved the episode of ST:TNG with Scotty. My heart skipped a beat during the scene on the halo deck featuring the old Enterprise bridge.
In most things I tend to look to the past. I know I'm a fossil. LOL

Some books are canon. Mostly the Voyager books like Mosaic, Pathways, homecoming and the farther shore. Some DS9 too.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mikeym_us oh by the way the borg were encountered by Admiral kirk when he went to stop V'GER from destroying the Earth remember the scene when Spock talks about seeing a planet inhabited by cybernetic creatures they were the Borg this is explained more in William (Kirk) Shatners books that take place after Generations where Jim Kirk is brought back to life yet again.

How Canon are the Shatner books?
There was a book that took place just after Star Trek IV "Save the Whales"
It described the probe being attacked by a number of Geometric ships (cubes maybe?)

It seems odd that a cybernetic race would help one organically creator prob and send it on its merry way and attempt to destroy another and subsequently that probe's creators.

Quite likely neither books are canon and therefore, neither involved the Borg.

You know what drives me crazy? Is all the posting that 'says' the NX-01 is a ripoff of the Akira.

Why isn't it possible for the Akira to be a redesign of one of Starfleet's first ships?

When Enterprise first started I first thought "hey, why's this ship have such a slick design comparied to the clunky NCC version? DUH! TOS came out what 30 years ago? Was Archer supposed to be wearing Beatle boots too?

The majority of the Star Trek shows are based around a ship. Though DS9 wasn't, they eventually got the Defiant. How would Enterprise have gone had it looked like the one in Woody's sig? (No offense to you, Woody) I think if the Enterprise looked like a trashcan with wings (again no offense), the show would have flopped.

hmmm 5 episodes left and they are starting to get interesting wonder when they will get to the Earth Romulan war

Woody, I am with you. I don't appreciate some of the liberties been taken By Enterprise. The ships are just too modern with what is already been set for the most part.
Lee

hmmm that picture looks like a Starfleet version of the Romulan Bird of Prey from the TOS ?

QUOTE: Originally posted by Woody By the way how come the NX Enterprise wasn't on the display that was in the recreation area of the NCC-1701A of all the vessels to carry the name Enterprise?

Maybe Berman could make another time travel episode and address that.................

I hate to say it but that's kinda a cool design.

I was surfing Star Trek sites as I do frequently when I came across something that made me a wee bit mad. The site was called "The STF Technical Manual" and they are openly rewritting pre-TOS material to fit the "Enterprise" version. Well anyway if you are familiar with the USS Bonaventure here is their new version openly called a revision.



Doesn't even look a thing like the Bonaventure but it looks quite a bit like the ship from the show "Enterprise".

Here is the real Bonaventure



By the way how come the NX Enterprise wasn't on the display that was in the recreation area of the NCC-1701A of all the vessels to carry the name Enterprise?

I like the new series. The current storyline is a bit much, but I like the retro version of the ship. I would like to see more episodes like the original series about exploration and the beginings of Stat Fleet. I like the characters and the captain is more of a flashback to Kirk. I could not imagine Pickard doing some of the things that Johnathan is doing. The ethics thing in last weeks episode was interesting. How far would you comprise your ethics for some important task. I want to see more Klingons, Romulans and Vulcans. Bottom line, I hope it continues to survive.

QUOTE: Originally posted by MarinR00 Enterprise never grabbed me because I just could figure out how the ship designers had an Akira-style ship, then went to something much less modern looking (Constitution class, etc), then "reinvented" an old design hundreds of years later. And reinvented is pushing it, because they took the same ship, and just turned the nacelles so they faced down.

I guess this describes how I feel in a nut shell. They disregarded a lot of valid Star Trek history by using that ship design. It would have fit right in the battle to ward off the Borg. I guess at the heart of it I just don't believe that is a Star Trek universe vessel.

Well, if TOS were to be made today instead of the 1960s, the original Enterprise would probably look very much like the NX-1 version. The designers then didn't have all of the technology to design a ship like that in the 60s. So, if you look at it in that light, the NX-1 version fits in pretty well; IMHO.

I agree with liking "Less-than-Utopia" plots and shower scenes. That's why I liked the final seasons of DS9, war is a dirty business. With that Section 31 or whatever it was, biological war, etc. But through it all, for me, its the ships themselves that really sustain my interest in the whole ST concept.

Yeah, I like how they worked her problems into a drug habit rather than a pregnancy, which I was dreading a story line about but almost expecting.

I don't see hers as a human problem when you consider that Vulcans, from a historical standpoint, were a very aggresive and irrational species before they embraced their beloved logic as a way of life. I see her drug habit as an interesting exploration of the Vulcan species, showing that they aren't always as "in control" as you might think.

On the matter of character flaws, one of my favorite species that hit the Star Trek universe was the Cardassians. DS9 providedthe perfect opportunity to get to know them better, but never exploredthem as much as I though they should. In the Cardassians, we had a people that had at one point been very peaceful and spiritual in their history, but desperate situations (plagues, minimal natural resources in their home solar system...) led to desperate measures, military overthrow of the civilian government, draconian laws to control rampant crime, and of course the occupation of Bajor.

Here you've got a group of people, some desperate to hag onto the power they have build in spite of the ugly way they have done it and others just as desperate to prove that Cardassians are not the blood thirsty butchers so many have come to think they are.

Lots of potential to explore an interesting species that I felt went sadly under explored.

Hummmm....a vulcan with "human" flaws.
Fascinating!

whatever it takes to get her into the shower