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Posted by PhoenixG on Sunday, December 24, 2023 11:22 PM

Wow, I've missed a lot since I was last here. So much accomplished!  Including funny stories involving clapper.  :-D

Bakster, your painting booth is a marvel.  You have a negative pressure room with seals to minimize chance of contaminated air entering the other parts of the room.  It needs to have CDC Biosafety lab level markings. LOL

All you need now is the disenfecting shower stand connected to it by a flexible tube. I hear the wash is mostly Lysol so keeping a can handy would be good enough.  ;)

CAUTION: Massive Digression ahead (yeah I know, big surprise Smile)

Bench time was challenging the past couple of weeks.  During that time I discovered Adam Savage's One Day Builds and they've been a great way to unwind.  Watching them was like reading your forum posts, but with video!  I loved his build of a garage resin kit of an AT-AT.   It's a three part video. Here's the start if your curiousity is piqued.

Adam Savage Building an AT-AT

His videos run an hour on average, but I hardly notice.

END Of Digression.

You've put a lot of effort into making the booth be what you want. Can't wait to hear how your first few airbrushing efforts go! 

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Posted by Bakster on Saturday, December 23, 2023 3:36 PM

Okay, this is a long and tedious post to write. Particularly, with my IPad spellchecker fighting me. Apples OS does not play well with this website. It is a SERIOUS fight. So, if you see lots of spelling and grammatical errors, Sorry Charlie. Tired of the fight but the convenience outweighs the pain.

The booth is done.

Below: I drilled a hole for the air-hose and this was not an easy task. This metal is difficult to cut through. I started small stepping up to larger bits. The final sizing was done by adding a grinding bit to my drill. I planned to use a rubber grommet for the opening but that would require taking off roughly another 1/8 of material. I don't have a drillbit that large and if I did, it probably would not fit in the chuck. I might still do it one day by grinding, but as of today, I am not up to it. 

 

Below: When I must position the door to access the booth, I need a stop for it to rest against. And what better than to use a door stop! Hehe. You can position it for the correct angle and the rubber foot helps protect the plexiglas from getting damaged. I secured the foot using double sided tape. I try to apply these changes so as to cause the least amount of damage, keeping the changes reversible. Why? If I ever need to sell or donate the thing, it would allow me to undo my crazy. Not sure anyone would want this sort of system.

Lastly, the arm is epoxied at the precise angle I want.

Below: you can see how I constructed the hand openings. The black things are made from pipe flashing; highly modified. 

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The assembly is epoxied to the door. The pipe clamps are epoxied to the pipe flashing. The purpose of the clamps is to provide something for the gloves to attach to.

Below: Gloves in place. As noted in another post, I cut the gloves off. I do that because they are too bulky, and keeping them clean would introduce more lint and such. Long story short, it would be more trouble than it's worth. I really only need the sleeves. The sleeves provided a loose seal around my arms and that is all I want. It allows for easy in and out. When done, I stuff the sleeves in the opening and that keeps the fumes inside.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B088WXYW39/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

A happy note about the gloves. I expected I may need to glue or clamp them to the inner clamp, but the gloves come with an elastic compression. And let me tell you, they squeeze. They are not comfortable to adorn as designed. Your arms will get sore quickly, but for my purpose, it solved a problem. The elastic allows me to fit the sleeves over the clamps and it holds perfectly.

Lastly, to secure the door while in use... I purchased a set of removable hangers. I bind the door closed with rubber bands. The face of the booth is not entirely square so if I want a better seal, I need to use these.

 

Some last words about this booth. The ductwork exiting the blower have some major airleaks. You can feel air flowing through the joins in multiple locations. So, for my purposes, they need to be sealed. The air coming out is fumed air. So, I sealed the leaks using clear caulk. 

Thus ends a chapter, Bakster takes a side trip. 

I suppose this means I must start work on the Chariot again. Let's see if life will allow it. It's been turbulent.

 

 

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Posted by Bakster on Saturday, December 23, 2023 2:15 PM

CapnMac82

 

 
Bakster
Clapper is in for a rude awakening.

 

Yep, 45# of super-protective barking at full volume.

Now, if Clapper has a couple of paw-fulls of treats, well, Jill has the attention span pf a tween with two cell phones . . .

 

Lol about the treats. We won't tell Clapper. 

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Friday, December 22, 2023 1:01 PM

Bakster
Clapper is in for a rude awakening.

Yep, 45# of super-protective barking at full volume.

Now, if Clapper has a couple of paw-fulls of treats, well, Jill has the attention span pf a tween with two cell phones . . .

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Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, December 20, 2023 3:01 PM

CapnMac82

 

 
Bakster
Send Clapper to Capns yard. It is a target rich environment. Wink Sorry, Capn. We need to share the pain. Hehe.

 

Clapper will have to get past the guard-puppy, Jill:

Who is quite formidiable and opposed to all burglars, squireels, and the like, and is determined to keep all tigers away as well.

 

I was wondering what you would come back with. That is a good one! Lol

Clapper is in for a rude awakening.

 

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Wednesday, December 20, 2023 12:18 PM

Bakster
Send Clapper to Capns yard. It is a target rich environment. Wink Sorry, Capn. We need to share the pain. Hehe.

Clapper will have to get past the guard-puppy, Jill:

Who is quite formidiable and opposed to all burglars, squireels, and the like, and is determined to keep all tigers away as well.

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Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, December 19, 2023 2:55 PM

Gamera

'I'm not letting you in Clapper! I know it's you no matter how much you disguise yourself!!!'

 

 

Lol.

He is a devious one. The other day, pretty sure it was Clapper, he was ringing the bell for the Salvation Army. I ran the other way.

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Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, December 19, 2023 2:49 PM

Yes, almost done for sure. By Friday, should be good to go, if not sooner.

 

It's in better shape than my Christmas decorations at least. Clapper and his cousin showed up and wrecked the place! Even my screaming 'GET OFF MY LAWN, YOU DAMN PUNKS!!!' didn't get them to leave...


Lol.  You just keep Clapper over there. He might make a mess of my new booth. Or hey... here is an idea. Send Clapper to Capns yard. It is a target rich environment. Wink

Sorry, Capn. We need to share the pain. Hehe.

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, December 18, 2023 8:15 PM

'I'm not letting you in Clapper! I know it's you no matter how much you disguise yourself!!!'

 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, December 18, 2023 8:10 PM

That looks great Bakster! Looks like you're almost there now!!! 

 

It's in better shape than my Christmas decorations at least. Clapper and his cousin showed up and wrecked the place! Even my screaming 'GET OFF MY LAWN, YOU DAMN PUNKS!!!' didn't get them to leave...

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, December 17, 2023 11:39 PM

I got a few hours of work today:

1. The second armhole is opened up. 

2. The foam gasket is installed. The foam I purchased is perfect for the job.

3.  Holes are drilled for the top portion of the hinges. The hinges I went with are not all that great. I was forced into getting those because I need clearance for the hardware. The top half of the booth has an odd bend to it and as a result, the hexnuts must fit into a tight area. Fortunately, the hardware fit, but only by the skin of its teeth. It could not get any tighter.

4. The booth has gaps here and there and this simple fact helped to run the led light cord out of the booth.  I at first thought I might need to drill a hole into a side panel. Using a gap eliminated a host of throuble. But... as good as that is... I must still feed the plug and switch through. I was thinking I might need to cut the cord and reattach when a simple solution presented itself. This booth it put together with nuts and screws. All I need to do is disassemble the top panel. In the end, I only needed to unscrew one half of the panel. 

Below: You can see that foam is used to fill a gap. And you can see that this is the gap I ran the cord through.

The door is mounted. I guess... if there is a plus to the crummy hinges, it is that the door can easily be removed... if needs be.

More work to do like mount the sleeve holders and sleeves, to drill a hole for the airbrush hose, and to make some sort of mechanism allowing for securing the door shut.

Should not be too much longer now.

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Friday, December 15, 2023 11:58 AM

Plexiglass wants low RPM for cutters.  Which is complicated not matter which cutter is used.

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, December 13, 2023 9:22 PM

Looks good Bakster! Never tried that myself, good luck! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, December 10, 2023 3:04 PM

Update: The precarious portion of my revamp has started, and already, a mishap. For the plexiglass I used my dremel for starter holes and no issues. After that, I attempted to use my rather slow Makita drill to enlarge the holes. That was a mistake. On my first attempt the bit caught and froze. I freed it thinking, ok, that was a fluke. Nope... it happened again. On my third attempt it was three strikes and you are out!  The bit snagged again and this time a piece of plexiglass broke off the sheet. The sheet was ruined for this project and $15 down the tubes. Live and learn and it was a tough start. I got a new piece and shelved further work for today.

Today, I am using the dremel exclusively. As before, I did starter holes using a drill bit, then I used a cutter bit to enlarge the hole. I first tested all this on the now scrap piece. This plexiglass is very brittle...holding my breath as I work on this. This particular work was for the hinges. 

Below: Time to make the hand openings. I thought the best course of action here was to drill holes around the circumference to facilitate cutting. In the end, I think that helped.

Below: Out comes the most dangerous tool in my arsenal... the razor saw. It cut through this plexiglass like butter. I was just praying it would not kickback or slip. I did my best to keeps my hands and fingers clear of that thing.

And below: One opening is accomplished. This is all I will attempt for today. I did one side of the hinges and one of the hand openings. For the other side of the hinges I need to wait on the foam tape I ordered. The foam needs to be thin and I could not find it locally. Once I get and apply a foam gasket, I can mark where I need to drill into the metal enclosure. Then go from there.

And that is that.

Quite a messy operation. Especially, when using the cutter bits. Plastic bits everywhere. 

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, December 10, 2023 1:56 PM

CapnMac82

 

 
Bakster
Where were you when I needed you! lol

 

Probably shopping for a new (used) office chair--seating comfort is complicated, but ever so necessary.

 

Lol. Good man. And you are darn right about the chair!

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, December 10, 2023 1:09 PM

Bakster
Where were you when I needed you! lol

Probably shopping for a new (used) office chair--seating comfort is complicated, but ever so necessary.

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Posted by Bakster on Saturday, December 9, 2023 1:44 PM

CapnMac82

 

 
Bakster
a family of light-strips

 

Yeah, while reading that along through sotry time, I kept thinnking of the rolls of sticky-tape backed LED strip lighting.  And the more modern strip lighting along magnet mounted  bar stock of one sort or another.

Lithonia & Philips both have versions to specific color balances, including 3200K "daylight" along with 3000 "white", and 2800K "warm white" values.

No, since this is story time, I ran across the Lithonia strip lighting while helping a buddy light a decorative glass collection.  Tuns out there's room to fit "pure UV" LED sticky tape strip lighting in the 3200K daylighting.  This can really pop the colors out for some "carnival" glass; but really will make "uranium glass' items shine.  And, without that "it's just 'blacklight'" look.

 

Yeah was looking to find daylight balance lights but struggled. Where were you when I needed you! lol

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Saturday, December 9, 2023 11:55 AM

Bakster
a family of light-strips

Yeah, while reading that along through sotry time, I kept thinnking of the rolls of sticky-tape backed LED strip lighting.  And the more modern strip lighting along magnet mounted  bar stock of one sort or another.

Lithonia & Philips both have versions to specific color balances, including 3200K "daylight" along with 3000 "white", and 2800K "warm white" values.

No, since this is story time, I ran across the Lithonia strip lighting while helping a buddy light a decorative glass collection.  Tuns out there's room to fit "pure UV" LED sticky tape strip lighting in the 3200K daylighting.  This can really pop the colors out for some "carnival" glass; but really will make "uranium glass' items shine.  And, without that "it's just 'blacklight'" look.

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Posted by Bakster on Saturday, December 9, 2023 10:45 AM

PhoenixG

 

 
Bakster
The Inner Man

So, here is a story.

 

Awesome!  Story time on the Forums is the best time!

 

 
Bakster
What is the moral of this long story? Don't ignore the inner man!

 

I feel vindicated!  Everyone always told me I was imagining that voice in my head. Wink LOL

The Inner Man has been the source of much goodness, as well as more than one stalled project. :)

I'm proud to say I've passed it along to my kids.  Their teachers in school noticed it too.  Though they used a different term.    I believe they called it "over thinking".  Big Smile

Seriously though, that's a great find at a great price too. 

It sure does a bang up job at illuminating the inside of the booth.

It's like the divine reached out and said "let there be light so there can be paint, and there was light, and saw the painting was good.  Except for that little spot over there.  It needs to get sanded and the edges feathered so it can be re-shot." Wink

I've wishlisted that strip light in case I ever upgrade to a metal booth.  It'll save me time searching.

 

 

Hey PG, it takes one with an inner man to understand one with an inner man. And you sir, you understand my inner man. Lol.

Your response, sir... is... awseome! It made me smile ear to ear! Surprise

And I agree. Story time is the best time on the forums. Inner man is saying, "tell PG about the best story teller you ever met." To which I say, okay, will do.

I was in kindergarten. All us kids are sitting on the floor in a semicircle. In front of us is our teacher seated in a chair, and she proceeded to deliberately read a story from a childrens book. I don't remember the teachers name, nor the story. What happened next sticks with me to this day. Teacher, expertly, begins the story thus sucking me in like light sucked into an interstellar blackhole. The walls fade, the kids gone, and all I hear is the hypnotic voice of this master story teller. Before me are images painted by the words of this master teller. I don't know how long I was gone but when I came back, I was like, wow! What just happened! Quite the adventure! Lol.

It was very much like Ralphie in A Christmas Story when he presents his teacher with a basket of fruit. Ralphie...his imagination runs wild at the fanfare of A++++ and the good will that he masterfully contrived. He awakens to...

Ralphie? 

Ralphie?

Ralph!!!

Huh? 

You can take a seat now, Ralphie.

 

This happenstance was never to be repeated. The closest thing to it was my first visit to a dentist. Counting backwards from 100, it was lights out at 97. That is some good stuff! Nothing but blackness up until I hear the dentist bringing me back to life. Subsequent visits were at the hands of a sadistic dentist pushing a needle straight through my gums to the other side. Or, so, it felt as such. Lol.

Tis the season to be Merry!

Mary: That's MY name!

No s***.

Ah... but that is from another Christmas classic.

Inner man is saying, Get to work Bakster. Your spray booth awaits you.

To work I go.

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Posted by PhoenixG on Friday, December 8, 2023 10:31 PM

Bakster
The Inner Man

So, here is a story.

Awesome!  Story time on the Forums is the best time!

Bakster
What is the moral of this long story? Don't ignore the inner man!

I feel vindicated!  Everyone always told me I was imagining that voice in my head. Wink LOL

The Inner Man has been the source of much goodness, as well as more than one stalled project. :)

I'm proud to say I've passed it along to my kids.  Their teachers in school noticed it too.  Though they used a different term.    I believe they called it "over thinking".  Big Smile

Seriously though, that's a great find at a great price too. 

It sure does a bang up job at illuminating the inside of the booth.

It's like the divine reached out and said "let there be light so there can be paint, and there was light, and saw the painting was good.  Except for that little spot over there.  It needs to get sanded and the edges feathered so it can be re-shot." Wink

I've wishlisted that strip light in case I ever upgrade to a metal booth.  It'll save me time searching.

 

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Posted by Bakster on Friday, December 8, 2023 8:53 PM

The Inner Man

So, here is a story. I have noted that this booth needs a light. Last weekend I went to Menards to see what they have. Pretty much all I could find was under cabinet LED lighting. Which... by itself ... is not a bad thing, but everything they had was overkill for my purposes. It was a hefty price, hefty size, hefty weight. Having already run around collecting things from other stores, they had nothing that floated my boat either.

As a result.. impatience was kicking at my door; stop obsessing and buy something! Btw... I had already checked on-line and what came up is what I was finding at Menards, even less so at two hardware stores I went to.

What was the problem? My inner man was saying... just hold on there fella. Let's not be hasty.

I mean... I was going back and forth looking at what they had. I did find one that would work but... again... overkill. How will I mount it? I suppose screws and just maybe velcro or two side tape would work. The thing that was nagging at me the most was the size and weight. I hate settling.

Thinking that this said option is all I will find, I decided to take it, then chew on it more. So... I grab it... and I go do other shopping at the store. It wasn't long before that inner man was saying, Dude! Put that light back! Just put it back, go home, and do more research. 

Hey... what can one do? You don't argue with the inner man! So, I put it back.

When I get home I sit down and start searching the internet. Dang it if all that kept coming up was what I found at Menards. I was about to throw in the towel when something different pops up. I say, hey, what is this?

I finally hit on a family of light-strips (I said strip) that got me where I want to go. A little more research and I settled on the one in the link. It has a great price, and get this... it even has magnets for mounting! I never even dreamed of that option. Since the booth is all metal... holy cats... this is perfect! No screws, no tape, no velcro. Just stick it to the booth and you are done. It is super light and the magnets hold it securely.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07R3SHDNN?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1

It came in the mail today and tonight I tested it. Dang... if it doesn't work perfect. Plenty of light too.

What is the moral of this long story? Don't ignore the inner man!


It looks like I will have free-time this weekend. I would really like to finish this thing and get back to building. It all depends on if the inner man lets me. Wink

 

 

 

 

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Friday, December 8, 2023 11:48 AM

Gamera
Five hours driving and I'm sounding like Smith with 'My delicate back!'

LoL.

Four hour (one way) is right at my limit.  At least for day trips.  Or, I'll want a cryrotube :-)

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Posted by Bakster on Friday, December 8, 2023 5:04 AM

CapnMac82
Was annoying to be getting mosquito-bit while standing it all up.  And seeing the second batch of snow in Duluth, I'll be happy with Texas weather. Add Quote to your Post

 

That is funny, Capn, and amen.

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Posted by Bakster on Friday, December 8, 2023 5:02 AM

PhoenixG
Bakster, perhaps the new booth will reinvigorate interest in the chariot.  If not, I hope it invigorates your interest in another project.   

I am hoping as well. The new booth and its mods keep me moving in the hobby while I take a break from the Chariot.

I do plan to see the Chariot through to completion. I have done way too much work on it to quit now, and it will be cool if completed to my vision for it. In the end, it's not the project that is the issue, it is life issues that sap me of my will. Just too many other priorities. I love the hobby, I will keep pushing through when I can. And like you said, maybe, the booth will reinvigorate and I would add, reinvigorate in general.

PhoenixG
I'd offer to help but I have yet to figure out how to attach a model to an email.    For now I'll continue cheering from the peanut gallery.

Laughing. Thanks, and good to hear. You guys inspire me to keep on too.

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Posted by Bakster on Friday, December 8, 2023 4:45 AM

Gamera

Modeling has enough frustration without dealing with a poorly operating spray booth. 

 

True!

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Wednesday, December 6, 2023 11:36 AM

PhoenixG
Too bad there aren't frequent flier miles for all the driving you do

Well, I get "irs" mileage for driving, so, there's that.

Funny part is that I'm not banking up that many "frequent flier miles" despite flying near once a month.  Which seems too frequent to me--but not the the airlines, which appear to cleave to a notion that "frequent flying" is more than once a week. 

Which is amount that staggers my mind.  Airline travel appears to be designed to be miserable--a Jupiter II with a couple of dozen Dr Smiths jammed in, and no, you don't get your own cryrotube.

But, at least I'm ready for St Nicholas' Day (6 December)

Was annoying to be getting mosquito-bit while standing it all up.  And seeing the second batch of snow in Duluth, I'll be happy with Texas weather.

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Posted by PhoenixG on Tuesday, December 5, 2023 10:37 PM

Gamera

I'm just glad to see you knock another roadblock outta your way! 

Modeling has enough frustration without dealing with a poorly operating spray booth. 

 

 
Hear, Hear!
 
Bakster, perhaps the new booth will reinvigorate interest in the chariot.  If not, I hope it invigorates your interest in another project.  Smile
 
I'd offer to help but I have yet to figure out how to attach a model to an email.  Big Smile
 
For now I'll continue cheering from the peanut gallery.

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Bandai Starblazers 2202 Garmillas Zoellugut

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, December 5, 2023 7:01 PM

I'm just glad to see you knock another roadblock outta your way! 

Modeling has enough frustration without dealing with a poorly operating spray booth. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, December 5, 2023 3:16 PM

Gamera

Oh that looks grand Bakster! An early Christmas present for sure!!! 

Hope now you'll be posting all the piles of new stuff you're going to get painted... Wink

 

I probably need one myself. I just use the airbrush on a small table in a good-sized basement. Never noticed any real fume smell. And sometimes I use spray cans down there I do notice the smell then, I spray and leave. 

 

Thanks, Gam. Just lining things up for retirement. Not too far off now. I see a light and it does not appear to be a freight train.

I will post more updates as I finish things off. Waiting for a light to arrive and for available time to work on it.

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, December 4, 2023 8:37 PM

Oh that looks grand Bakster! An early Christmas present for sure!!! 

Hope now you'll be posting all the piles of new stuff you're going to get painted... Wink

 

I probably need one myself. I just use the airbrush on a small table in a good-sized basement. Never noticed any real fume smell. And sometimes I use spray cans down there I do notice the smell then, I spray and leave. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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