PREDATOR vs ALIEN

That's a definite possibility and I hope you're right, but I just don't know.

QUOTE: Originally posted by out04 I have been waiting for this movie for a long time, but I just saw on a TV preview that it has gotten a PG-13 rating. This doesn't sit well with me. Both franchises tend to be on the violent, gory side, but I don't know how much of that you can accomplish in a PG-13 movie. I believe that they may be destroying both franchises by going after the kiddies and making it less violent. What do you all think about all this?

Well, don't forget that PG13-rated flicks today are probably more violent and gorier than R-rated flicks were back when the original Alien and Predator came out.

Still...I know what you mean...

Don't...get...me...started...

I have been waiting for this movie for a long time, but I just saw on a TV preview that it has gotten a PG-13 rating. This doesn't sit well with me. Both franchises tend to be on the violent, gory side, but I don't know how much of that you can accomplish in a PG-13 movie. I believe that they may be destroying both franchises by going after the kiddies and making it less violent. What do you all think about all this?

Yeah, but where the hell are the Colonial Marines??????

QUOTE: I thought it was a little odd that she got to live so long in Alien 3 with a bug inside of her when poor John Hurt got, well, hurt so quickly in Alien. He should have hired a better agent.

LOL, maybe a queen takes longer to develop than a drone/warrior alien.

QUOTE: Originally posted by cobywan You are correct sir! This is true. And what I had imagined would be the case

Well, according to Alien 3 (and 4), Ripley has a Queen chestburster in her when she takes the Nestea plunge. So a facehugger on the Sulaco (presumably from a spare egg or two dropped by the Queen at the end of Aliens) put the larva in her. How the larva became a queen larva is anyone's guess.

I thought it was a little odd that she got to live so long in Alien 3 with a bug inside of her when poor John Hurt got, well, hurt so quickly in Alien. He should have hired a better agent.

QUOTE: Originally posted by karlwb I might be completly wrong, so please correct me if so. Don't all Bee's start off the same, just when the colony requires a queen, they feed one of the larva different food and it becomes the queen. The Ailen's could probably do the same.

You are correct sir! This is true. And what I had imagined would be the case

I might be completly wrong, so please correct me if so.

Don't all Bee's start off the same, just when the colony requires a queen, they feed one of the larva different food and it becomes the queen.

The Ailen's could probably do the same.

I think Scott had the alien move slowly and deliberately in Alien to strectch out the horror of it for the victims (and us). The rationale could be that the alien knew it had it all over its prey, so no reason to rush, and more than you might struggle to overcome a ham sandwich.

I've seen the extended version of Alien (with the scenes of Dallas and others becoming eggs) and most of the additional material really does add to the movie experience. The egg scene has been asserted by some to contradict the second movie's premise, but I'm not sure it does. After all, there is no queen on the ship. It's plausible that each warrior has some kind of limited ability to make a few eggs directly out of victims when isolated, so as to establish a new colony. Then one of those eggs can hatch a queen.

QUOTE: Originally posted by ajlafleche Someone commented that the creature is slow in the original...actually it moves quite quickly when attacking Dallas in the air ducts and in ALIENS when Carter Burke, the company man played by Paul Reiser gets his due, the creature moves very deliberately, as they drones/warriors do in the egg room.

That was me!
But I did qualify the "slow-moving" comment with "except when striking."

Good point about the Burke and egg room scenes, though.
I guess it depends on the situation!

QUOTE: Originally posted by cobywan But the original suit was better in sculpt. I just love Giger's handiwork.

Agree here. The visual of the movie, a perfect blend of creature and environment. I love watching the film for the sets almost as much as for the story!

Someone commented that the creature is slow in the original...actually it moves quite quickly when attacking Dallas in the air ducts and in ALIENS when Carter Burke, the company man played by Paul Reiser gets his due, the creature moves very deliberately, as they drones/warriors do in the egg room.

I thought it was interesting that the original creature in Alien was a big, slow-moving (except when striking), lumbering giant (and my favorite sculpt!). Then, in Aliens, they're all kibbles-n-bits, swarming, skittering ants, which carried on through three and four.

Perhaps it was the environment in Alien and the fact that the creature was alone on a confined ship with its prey that led it to act more slowly.
And the fact that nobody was spraying it with pulse rifle fire all the time!

Wait...the creature in Alien 3 was alone, and it was still pretty much kibbles-n-bits...oh well, there goes that theory!

And on the modeling front, I ran across the original MPC Alien kit at an LHS today, for 2,900 yen ($26 USD). What a stuffed-shirt Alien that is!

But the original suit was better in sculpt. I just love Giger's handiwork. The miniature work byHunter Gratzner for Resurection was top notch though.

I think the death knell for Aliens was Alien Resurrection. The plot was just too
far-fetched and unbelieveable. I hated that movie to be honest. Alien 3 is my favorite because it returns to its roots as a gothic horror film, after James Cameroon turned Aliens into an action movie, and the effects are better than the first movie (1978 vs. 1992 technology makes a difference).

I agree with you Larry,
And I hope I'm wrong but this could be the death knell for Aliens, as well as Predator.

Regards,

Manny Pregoquote]Originally posted by Larry_Dunn

QUOTE: Originally posted by J-Hulk And the fans! Don't forget the fans! The fans of both fanchises have been begging for this for years.

Well, some have been.

I love the first Alien movie. It's a classic gothic horror movie, set in space. The second movie is a fun action pic with more of a brain than most. I didn't especially care for the following two, but putting the Alien franchise in movies with another action movie franchise really does sound the death knell for the Alien movies as a series of serious pictures, IMO. It's a very comic-book fanboyish direction to take the Alien franchise (not that there's anything wrong with that! ), which started life with what is arguably one of the greatest movies ever made.

The fact that you can get a movie summary from a video game website really does say a lot about who the movie will be aimed at.

The Predator movie is a fun movie for beer and pretzels, but it's pure professional wrestling stuff -- fine if you like greased muscle male soap opera. For me it's a guilty pleasure. Note though that the movie is a breeding ground for US governors. I wonder when the Predator himself will be made governor, and what state it will be? Better that than Carl Weathers.

Although it doesn't really matter much in the end -- it doesn't look like Alien 5 was going to take off anyway. There were rumors that Ridley Scott was considering making Alien 5 if it ever took off, but I think AvP will more or less assure that it never does. So I think the movie's tagline -- "No Matter Who Wins, We Lose" -- is more accurate than the moviemakers realize.

It's always good to see that Lance Henrikson is getting work though.