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Posted by bondoman on Saturday, October 18, 2008 1:32 AM
No, later but over 300 lives.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, October 18, 2008 2:00 AM
 bondoman wrote:
No, later but over 300 lives.
Falkland's War: General Belgrano
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Posted by warshipbuilder on Saturday, October 18, 2008 1:12 PM
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 19, 2008 10:05 PM
 warshipbuilder wrote:
Way cool---is that the Hipper in the measure I need? Is that the Graf Zepplin in the background???
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Posted by sfcmac on Monday, October 20, 2008 5:55 PM

     Well here goes nuthin. It's my birthday and I am truing to be helpful which usually causes great destruction.  You may have these they are from The German Navy 1939-1945 if the book is to be trusted these are all from that operation. I scanned em big just in case you may find something useful. Sorry if it is too large.

Hope there is something useful there for you.! Make a Toast [#toast]

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 20, 2008 7:47 PM
Wow, Happy Birthday and thanks for the ref pics...looks like in the top pic she is wearing the measure I need! Looks like the Glowworm has had her bow sheared off in the 5th pic!
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Posted by sfcmac on Monday, October 20, 2008 10:13 PM

 I thought if you hadn't seen those they would be helpful. The top pic is definately looking like Norway in the background.

I agree that yhe last photo of the Glowworm is moments before she capsized. Compared to the other she is definately dead in the water.

 The other thing the large photos show is just how heavy the sea was during this battle. Could be a real challenge to replicate the rough seas. Be pretty cool though.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 22, 2008 12:02 PM

A bit 'o progress:

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Posted by alumni72 on Thursday, October 23, 2008 11:01 AM

The doggone quote function is giving me fits, so...

 

Manstein's revenge stated:

One thing that I have always wondered about was how the Glowworm turned so sharply and rammed the Hipper on her starboard side when in the pics available the Glowworm is parallel w/ the Hipper when she is only a hundred or so yards away with the Hipper probably closing well over 20 knots...???

 

The photo is not simply of the Glowworm in flames, but of the Glowworm laying a smokescreen.  According to accounts, the Hipper entered the smokescreen - at which point the Germans found that the Glowworm had come around to port in almost a full circle and at that point rammed the Hipper just to the rear of (I avoid using the term "abaft") her anchors on the starboard side.  She then traveled down the length of the Hipper's starboard side, effectively tearing away around 130 feet of the cruiser's armor belt and also carrying away her (the Hipper's) starboard torpedo tubes.

As far as why it was possible for the two ships to come together so closely, the seas were extremely heavy, making accurate gunfire impossible. In fact the German officers stated that it was difficult to discern which destroyer (there were German destroyers present as well) was the one firing at her until the range had been closed considerably.  The Hipper, being a much larger ship, of course was a more stable gun platform and so was able to inflict damage to the Glowworm, when the return fire was far from accurate.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 23, 2008 1:56 PM
 alumni72 wrote:

The doggone quote function is giving me fits, so...

 

Manstein's revenge stated:

One thing that I have always wondered about was how the Glowworm turned so sharply and rammed the Hipper on her starboard side when in the pics available the Glowworm is parallel w/ the Hipper when she is only a hundred or so yards away with the Hipper probably closing well over 20 knots...???

 

The photo is not simply of the Glowworm in flames, but of the Glowworm laying a smokescreen.  According to accounts, the Hipper entered the smokescreen - at which point the Germans found that the Glowworm had come around to port in almost a full circle and at that point rammed the Hipper just to the rear of (I avoid using the term "abaft") her anchors on the starboard side.  She then traveled down the length of the Hipper's starboard side, effectively tearing away around 130 feet of the cruiser's armor belt and also carrying away her (the Hipper's) starboard torpedo tubes.

As far as why it was possible for the two ships to come together so closely, the seas were extremely heavy, making accurate gunfire impossible. In fact the German officers stated that it was difficult to discern which destroyer (there were German destroyers present as well) was the one firing at her until the range had been closed considerably.  The Hipper, being a much larger ship, of course was a more stable gun platform and so was able to inflict damage to the Glowworm, when the return fire was far from accurate.

Awesome info, thanks a bunch...So probably the pics we are all used to seeing of Glowworm in front of Hipper WERE NOT taken just prior to her ramming Hipper...sounds like they were taken of her laying the smokescreen as you stated as she crossed the Hipper's "T"...Then, as she passsed around Hipper full circle she rammed her...makes more sense now...gotta try to get that angle right in my dio...I'll post different pics and get input before they are set in place...by the way, for some reason, you have to take the apostrophe out of my name in order to quote me...  
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Posted by alumni72 on Thursday, October 23, 2008 2:31 PM
Can I quote you on that?  Tongue [:P]
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Posted by subfixer on Friday, October 24, 2008 5:55 AM
 alumni72 wrote:

The doggone quote function is giving me fits, so...

 

 

I've been having the same problem but only when trying to use the function with Manny's posts. Has anyone else had this problem? I get a message: non-matching quotes or something like that.

I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 24, 2008 9:15 AM
 subfixer wrote:
 alumni72 wrote:

The doggone quote function is giving me fits, so...

 

 

I've been having the same problem but only when trying to use the function with Manny's posts. Has anyone else had this problem? I get a message: non-matching quotes or something like that.

Delete the apostrophe out of "Manstein's" and you will be good to go.  
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Posted by subfixer on Friday, October 24, 2008 12:16 PM
 Mansteins revenge wrote:
 subfixer wrote:
 alumni72 wrote:

The doggone quote function is giving me fits, so...

 

 

I've been having the same problem but only when trying to use the function with Manny's posts. Has anyone else had this problem? I get a message: non-matching quotes or something like that.

Delete the apostrophe out of "Manstein's" and you will be good to go.  

Good to go!

I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 27, 2008 6:48 PM
 subfixer wrote:
 Mansteins revenge wrote:
 subfixer wrote:
 alumni72 wrote:

The doggone quote function is giving me fits, so...

 

 

I've been having the same problem but only when trying to use the function with Manny's posts. Has anyone else had this problem? I get a message: non-matching quotes or something like that.

Delete the apostrophe out of "Manstein's" and you will be good to go.  

Good to go!

Wink [;)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 18, 2011 3:14 PM

Does anyone have any info on any published overview of this brief battle?  I am particularly interested if anyone knows of a diagram showing the track of the two ships up to the ramming event...need the info for a possible dio...

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Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, January 18, 2011 5:22 PM

So what happened to this build Manny?

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 18, 2011 6:32 PM

See above...need some research info...I want to ensure accuracy of the Worm's location at time of ramming...

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