Hipper vs Glowworm...

bondoman wrote:

I suppose they know alot, else why would she be dating you, eh? Unfortunate set of circumstances all around, but light ships are screening ships and in fact it is a big ?? how fate allowed Glowworm to get within striking distance of a major surface ship. Bad luck for the Kriegsmarine I guess. Here's the bow you need:

I suppose they know alot, else why would she be dating you, eh?

Unfortunate set of circumstances all around, but light ships are screening ships and in fact it is a big ?? how fate allowed Glowworm to get within striking distance of a major surface ship. Bad luck for the Kriegsmarine I guess.

Here's the bow you need:

sfcmac wrote:

Wow David and Goliath! Or was it more like the Alamo !

SIze comparison; Hipper's hull alongside the resin casting of Glowworm's:

Mansteins revenge wrote:

Gonna be a heck of a dio...I hope.  The size of the Hipper is so much bigger when compared to the Glowworm that it seems incredible that the British ship even challenged her...

I'm sure that's what the crew was thinking too.

Just ordered the B Resina resin Glowworm from Pacific Models along with a Tom's AM PE set....received the Hipper's stand-in from them a few days ago: The Tamiya Prinz Eugen...sweet kit...

Gonna be a heck of a dio...I hope.  The size of the Hipper is so much bigger when compared to the Glowworm that it seems incredible that the British ship even challenged her...

You are right about that--artistical interpretations are notoriously innacurate...one thing that strikes me as unbelievable are the figures in the painting on the Hipper's bow which seem to be standing like spectators watching a football game...I'm sure with all kinds of ordanance flying from both sides this was not the case...

One thing that I have always wondered about was how the Glowworm turned so sharply and rammed the Hipper on her starboard side when in the pics available the Glowworm is parallel w/ the Hipper when she is only a hundred or so yards away with the Hipper probably closing well over 20 knots...???

I dunno, Manstein, paintings are great for giving you the "feel" of an event/place/landscape, but it can only be the artist's impression of that moment, and every artist is different.

One tiny example, most of the paintings of the Doolittle Raiders taking off from the Hornet show the propellers with yellow tips - which was the USAAF standard at that time. Except that the Raider's props were all reground/refinished in the Hornet's machine shops while at sea, and came out of there totally black  from hub to prop tip. Any painting made by an artist who did not actually witness the event is going to be based on a series of assumptions, observations and the artist's own inherent biases. Even a great military artist like Keith Ferris or Tom Freeman admits to an occasional screw up or and "I just thought it looked better this way" moment.

Found what might be a great ref for the measures worn by both ships during the famous engagement for my dio, providing the artist had his facts correct:

One of the biggest differences between Prinz Eugen and Hipper involves the shape of the bows.  Prinz Eugen has a fully curved swan bow like Bismarck, while Hipper's bow is a simple straight-raked bow (sort of like that seen on a variety of British cruisers).  As I recall, Blucher's bow was a originally a plumb bow (and so was Hippers), but I'm not sure if it was subsequently altered as was Hippers.......

ddp59 wrote:

the Prinz Eugen is somewhat different from hipper even tho of same class of ships. Prinz Eugen specs link. http://www.german-navy.de/kriegsmarine/ships/heavycruiser/prinzeugen/tech.html Admiral Hipper specs link. http://www.german-navy.de/kriegsmarine/ships/heavycruiser/admiralhipper/tech.html

the Prinz Eugen is somewhat different from hipper even tho of same class of ships.

Prinz Eugen specs link. http://www.german-navy.de/kriegsmarine/ships/heavycruiser/prinzeugen/tech.html

Admiral Hipper specs link. http://www.german-navy.de/kriegsmarine/ships/heavycruiser/admiralhipper/tech.html

Cool...I ordered a Tamiya Prinz Eugen (Same class as the Hipper) and a PE set to go w/ it...I think I'll take your advice and spring for the Glowworm, especially since I found out there is an AM PE set you can get for it...

...now if I can only find what paint measures these two were in at the time of their engagement???

The E/F classes were a class ahead of the RN G/H classes.   E's were built in the 1932-34 timeframe.  G's were 1935-39.

Basically the E was 20 ft (+/-) longer than a G and was armed with 5-4.7" QF mounts versus the 4 in the G.   Otherwise the secondary & torpedo armament was the same (layout may differ - as it often does even within ships of the same class).  

E's displaced about 150 tons more 1495 vs 1350 T.

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In this instance the resin may be nicer, since it is capable of capturing the some of the details such as the gun shields the thinness which are beyond the limits of injection technology

EdGrune wrote:

http://www.hp-models.com/index.php?module=pncommerce&func=itemview&ItemID=76 HP Models of Germany makes a Scheer in 1:700.  B-Resina kits, as well as HP Models kits, are generally well done with few it any surface bubbles.   The small parts are cast on a wafer from which thge parts must be sanded out of.  Neither B-Resina nor HP Models kits come with photoetch.

http://www.hp-models.com/index.php?module=pncommerce&func=itemview&ItemID=76

HP Models of Germany makes a Scheer in 1:700. 

B-Resina kits, as well as HP Models kits, are generally well done with few it any surface bubbles.   The small parts are cast on a wafer from which thge parts must be sanded out of.  Neither B-Resina nor HP Models kits come with photoetch.