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My Italeri 1/35 S-100 Schnellboot Build

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Posted by Grem56 on Saturday, December 6, 2008 10:14 AM

Looks great Gotrek, just ordered my set from Schatton models as well. Now if I can sneak this past mrs. Grem56 I might just still be alive next weekend Whistling [:-^]Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Julian

 

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Italeri S-100: http://cs.finescale.com/FSMCS/forums/t/112607.aspx?PageIndex=1

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Posted by Gotrek on Saturday, December 6, 2008 5:48 AM

I received my heavy metal on tuesday; as I stated before: a nice improvement to the plastic parts:





Gotrek

PS: ...and now I'm waiting for the mines!


"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell
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Posted by Grem56 on Saturday, December 6, 2008 2:05 AM

Thanks Bob, will try that book. Have also found a couple of photo's online of mine + wheeled (and I presume weighted) carriage that would be able to roll off the stern racks. Haven't seen any of these little carts online yet so looks like some serious scratchbuilding will be necessary here. Check out the picture:

cheers,

Julian Yeah!! [yeah]

 

illegal immigrants have always been a problem in the United States. Ask any Indian.....................

Italeri S-100: http://cs.finescale.com/FSMCS/forums/t/112607.aspx?PageIndex=1

Isu-152: http://cs.finescale.com/FSMCS/forums/t/116521.aspx?PageIndex=1

 

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Posted by CG Bob on Friday, December 5, 2008 7:35 PM
 snapdragonxxx wrote:

I found references to the following armaments for the S-100

Torpedo... goes without saying. mounts for 4 ( I suppose that 6 COULD be carried if the tubes were preloaded before sailing)

How's That?

James

Most boats sailed with two torpedoes loaded in the tube, and usually two reloads - never 4 reloads.  The spare torpedo racks are just too close together to hold 4 spare fish, they would not be centered in the racks. 

Torpedo in the aft racks on my 1:36th scale Tian Jia S-100.  The TJ kit was released almost two years ago.

 

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Posted by CG Bob on Friday, December 5, 2008 7:24 PM
One of the newer books on S-boats is "German S-Boats in Action in the Second World War" by Hans Frank.  The book is published and distributed in the USA by Naval Institute Press.  The books ISBN is 978 1 59114 309 3.  It has two pictures of the EMC or UMB type horned mines loaded on S-boats.  Page 25 has a photo of horned mines being loaded, two are on the port quarter deck with a third being lowered, several crew members are in the scene.  Page 154 has a picture showing 6 horned mines loaded on the stern.
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Posted by Firecaptain on Thursday, December 4, 2008 5:13 PM
Looks like those "can" type depth charges (?) (from the 72nd build in the link from my last post above) should be an easy scratch. I would like to see some pics of a craft with those porupine looking mines on them. 1 or 2 of those plus the cannisters would look pretty cool if they would be mixed like that.
Joe
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Posted by Grem56 on Thursday, December 4, 2008 2:05 PM

Would appear good old mr. Garth told someone some porkies. In his own book he clearly states that the 100 serie didn't wear the air identification stripes. Still, it looks good what the hey? Build 'em for your own enjoyment.

I'll try a get some photos up this weekend of the resin horned mine I bought. The other "6-pack" of mines sounds promising as well.

Julian

 

illegal immigrants have always been a problem in the United States. Ask any Indian.....................

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Posted by Firecaptain on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:42 PM

When I got my K5 barrel from him like 18 months ago, he did not. His site has no PayPal logos on it.

I found that pic of the boat with the red stripes.......

Here's the gallery link of that build

http://www.modelwarships.com/features/ships/s-100/schnell.htm

Here's another link that may be of some assistance...

http://www.prinzeugen.com/SBOATIND.htm

 

Joe
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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:38 PM
why is white the worst colour to put on?????????

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:24 PM
does Mr Schatton accept paypal? My German is really bad!

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Posted by Firecaptain on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:20 PM

Gotrek, thanks for that info, I have purchased from Schatton in the past (K5 barrel).

Looking forward to seeing his mines, hopefully someone will post up some pics here upon their release. It will be just a waiting game but I am sure we will get some nice goodies for the S-100 in due time!

Joe
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Posted by Gotrek on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:41 PM
Hi Firecaptain,
the red stripes on the bow deck are definitely not on the S-100 type! That was the very similar type S38b, also with the "Kallotte"-bridge and same armament.

To improve the S-100 armament, I approve gun barrels from Schatton! Theres a set including 3x 2cm gun 1x3,7 cm for only 21 Euros! And Mr. Schatton has announced a load of 6 german "Ankertauminen"; the full load for the both rails of Italeri's S-100. They will be available soon after X-Mas.
For the barrels look here: http://www.missionmodels.com/files/images/t_16867.jpg
You can also order directly from: www.modellbau-schatton.privat.t-online.de
I got my gun barrels yesterday - a wonderfull improvement!
... and now, I'm waiting for the mines!

regards from Germany
Gotrek

PS:
The mines will include the wheeled box (for the winch and the rope) under the mine-"ball", box and "ball" are cast in resin!
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell
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Posted by Firecaptain on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:23 PM

Just a speculative guess......I would think maybe some kind of a concrete block?

And 5 of these mines would be the standard load? Could you post a couple of pics of the mine on the deck to get a size reference?

And I was sure I saw those a/c recog stripes on a built up of Revells S-100......hmmmmm

Thanks

Joe
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Posted by Grem56 on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 12:04 PM

The red/white aircraft recognition marks with corresponding hull camouflage can be found in the squadron book by David L. Krakov. Unfortunately it wasn't used on the 100-series. I am very tempted though.

I also recieved the 1/35 German naval mine today (that was fast !). Very impressive, very big and will look great on the DC racks. Only one problem, no bottom weight included and I am having problems finding a photo of mine + weight ready to launch on board (for scratch building the weight) Can anyone help here?

cheers,

Julian

 

illegal immigrants have always been a problem in the United States. Ask any Indian.....................

Italeri S-100: http://cs.finescale.com/FSMCS/forums/t/112607.aspx?PageIndex=1

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Posted by Firecaptain on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 9:44 AM

Bofors........hmmmm I always thought that was an Allied operational weapon....

I know Italeri does a kit of the Bofors, are any of those other weapons mentioned kitted by Dragon, Tamiya or Italeri?

Thanks

Joe
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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 5:49 AM

I found references to the following armaments for the S-100

Torpedo... goes without saying. mounts for 4 ( I suppose that 6 COULD be carried if the tubes were preloaded before sailing)

1x20mm bow cannon

1 or twin 20mm mount

1x37mm AA mount

1x40mm Bofors AA mount

quad 20mm AA mount

also 8x 7.92mm Machine guns (either MG34 or MG42 I would have thought

6 mines may be carried also

How's That?

James

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Posted by Firecaptain on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 6:56 PM

Well, I got to thouroughly inventory the kit today, and found a few more parts to send to the damaged parts graveyard. what is really strange is the fact that much more delicate and finer parts were not damaged, while others were. Broken were both ladders, and 2 of the 4 torpedo props. Bad thing is that the broken off pieces of the props are MIA. Apparently slipped out through a slit in the bottom of the box. Looks like I'll wait till brass is available.

No other broken pieces than those above, and the hull, which to me is the biggie. Since mine and James' were both port sides it appears that there might be a packing issue.

Of the parts that were broken, I feel again that it is a packaging issue as the hull pieces and the parts bags are not very secure, so the slide around in the box latterally.

As much as I want a second kit, I am VERY leary of getting one unless I can have it opened up and and checked, and if OK, have the parts secured before shipment to prevent the same type of damage that mine suffered.

Otherwise, it is a beautiful mold and has some great detail. I can't wait for Lion Roar or someone else to come out with a full brass etched set, although expierence tells me it will take 6-12 months before we see a set for this kit. Also looking forward for some other aftermarket goodies.

On another note, what other guns can be utilized on this craft that are available maybe by Dragon or Tamiya?

Joe
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Posted by Firecaptain on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 2:10 PM

One of my favorite interations of the S-100 is the one that has the red and white diagonal stripes on the front deck. Thought I had some pics of the Revell 1/72 decorated in this way but they have disappeared from the old computer!

Joe
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Posted by Grem56 on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 2:01 PM

Fun to see the same thing being done by someone else. Always good to see how other modelers approache kits, so yes, in a way you are showing the way. The Tamiya quad is another mod I have been pondering but the detailing on the 37mm is very nice and the quad is a few years old now. Still, it only costs €6,- at Moduni.de so no problem in buying it and comparing the two before final assembly.

cheers,

Julian

 

illegal immigrants have always been a problem in the United States. Ask any Indian.....................

Italeri S-100: http://cs.finescale.com/FSMCS/forums/t/112607.aspx?PageIndex=1

Isu-152: http://cs.finescale.com/FSMCS/forums/t/116521.aspx?PageIndex=1

 

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 1:21 PM

haaa Haaaa .... just edited my post. It's Garth's site!

I too just had to jump in and start. t was easy to clear my bench.... just a sweep of the arm! How you doing with your build? have I shown the way??

James

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Posted by Grem56 on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 1:17 PM

If I had a website it would be tempting Snap old chap. I don't though but thank you for the very kind offer. I have started my S-boat build as well now (just couldn't wait to get into that box). No damage, no warping and fit is perfect so far.

Cheers,

Julian

 

illegal immigrants have always been a problem in the United States. Ask any Indian.....................

Italeri S-100: http://cs.finescale.com/FSMCS/forums/t/112607.aspx?PageIndex=1

Isu-152: http://cs.finescale.com/FSMCS/forums/t/116521.aspx?PageIndex=1

 

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 1:13 PM

That's an interesting find and thought. I reckon that 2 sets should fill both racks.

I'm getting another S-Boat in about a week so I'll be able to do a full review and build for Garths'  website.

I also have tamiyas quad 20mm AA mount. I hope to be able to mount this on one of the boats. What do you think???

James

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Posted by Grem56 on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 12:56 PM

http://www.sockelshop.de/catalog/deutsche-seemine-wwii-p-13832.html?language=en

Check this out Snap, I have ordered onr to see if it's any good and if it is I plan on ordering a couple to fill the empty DC-racks. Expensive solution but hey, how often do you build a ship model this big?

Julian

 

illegal immigrants have always been a problem in the United States. Ask any Indian.....................

Italeri S-100: http://cs.finescale.com/FSMCS/forums/t/112607.aspx?PageIndex=1

Isu-152: http://cs.finescale.com/FSMCS/forums/t/116521.aspx?PageIndex=1

 

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 12:17 PM

Well done, Joe

I spoke to the UK distributor on the phone this afternoon and told them about the hull problem and a recommendation for better designed packaging instead of just throwing it into a huge box. They offered me a replacement side, but seeing that I have already joined the hull I politley declined, saying that the UK post would probably break it as well. They said that they would forward my comments to Italeri.

I also praised the kit and remarked on the empty depth charge racks. I have now located the broken off piece lurking in the box and will fix it on tonight. I'm learning alot about this kit, and my next build should be better Sign - Oops [#oops] Whistling [:-^]

now that you've had a look round the kit, what do you think??

James

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Posted by Firecaptain on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 10:53 AM

James, I just got an email from MRC, Italeri's US importer. I advised them of the problem (recommended better packaging and protection for the hull parts) and sent pictures. They replied that they had replacement hulls coming from Italy, so hopefully it won't be as long as I have had to wait (going on 3 months now) for a replacement deck from Revell of Germany!

Joe
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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 8:26 AM

Don't worry about hi-jacking the thread, Joe. All this discussion does relate to the build as it is information that I reckon other prospecting builders need to know.

I managed to check out 2 schnellboot kits at the hobby shop and I found that both hulls were complete but the section over the torpedo space was damaged. Those of us who were peering into the kit were in agreement that it was Italeri's poor packaging that is to blame.

So... It is a really good kit, let down by poor packaging ( Italeri folks... check out trumpeter's packaging of their M16 Half Track and Up and coming Tiger II THAT's how to package a kit, not just throw it into a large box, slap a lid on and send it!) Also there's the empty depth charge racks....

For Schnellboot owners... if you have the same damage as Joe's photo above, and mine in an earlier post, stick a message in here and I'll have a bash at Italeri over the phone.... or you all can SoapBox [soapbox]

Apart from the obvious damage and omissions, I'm really enjoying this build and I've got the modelshop saving me another and getting hold of some schnellbootweiss paint. I have some more pics (got some paint on the sucker!) which I'll post soon.

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Posted by Firecaptain on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 8:04 AM

James, yes, there were 2 pieces floating around in the box. Haven't fiddled with them yet to see how or if they'll line up. Italeri needs to take a few lessons from Trumpeter. They wrap pointy ends, fiddley bits and delicate protrusions on a lot of their aircraft kits in foam padding to protect them.

Another issue I have is that apparently the sprue tree that the hull was attached to was basically RIPPED off, leaving gouged craters in the hull parts  that will now need filler(came this way from Italeri, they took the hull parts off the tree). Why couldn't they have left it attached to the tree, or at least cut them off an inch or so from the hull and let us saw or cut off the hull part cleanly? My take is that they were in a hurry to get this kit out. 

I don't know if I would go so far as saying the hull sides on my kit are warped, just leaning inward slightly is all that I can tell.

Didn't mean to hijack your build thread James, but figured that all interested in the kit would be checking in here anyway.

Joe
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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 2:35 AM

seems you've got the same problem that I have Joe Censored [censored] Censored [censored] Banged Head [banghead] Confused [%-)]

Are the armoured sides on your hulls (where the armoured supersturcture fits) warped inwards?

I'm off to my hobby shop today (LOTS of oodle to spend over the next few days - I need to replenish my stash. I'll ask to look in any surviving S- Boat boxes to check the left hull.

ooh! nearly forgot... is the broken bit in the box anywhere? 

James

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Posted by Firecaptain on Monday, December 1, 2008 7:16 PM

Well I had the same problem with the port hull piece with the broken piece at the top of the torpedo opening.

Looks like Italeri did not package / protect these pieces from shifting around in the box. They better get their act together or they are going to have a lot of ticked of customers that just spent $200 (or more) on a kit that comes out the box BROKEN!

Wrote to MRC who is supposed to be the US inporter according to the Italeri website, also fired off an email to the webstore I purchased it from, because I don't feel like waiting for a part coming on the slow boat from Italy. I have had this type of service from other European companies that have US importers and the wait is 3-9 months.

It's more principal than anything, they chose to package it that way (shoddy) they need to make it good.

Joe
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Posted by Firecaptain on Sunday, November 30, 2008 3:08 PM
 Beaver Pilot wrote:
!

Didn't even know a 35th. scale was available.

 it just was released like 2 weeks ago.......

 

WELCOME to the FSM forums!

Joe
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