Airfix wasa and ratlines.

CoreTech

thats another thing clarified.
im gonna continue ask questions about the terms.
lubbers hole...is what?
i know im supposed to attach the shrouds to the deadeyes,pretty obvious,but its the other side of it thats the problem,where to put the shrouds on the mast. 

my camera was more cooperative today. here's some pictures to show you what i did. here's a better way to show you how i attached the shrouds to the mast.

Here's a picture of the deadeyes on the Wasa.

the drilled hole on the tops. There is another hole on the other side of the mast, not shown in the picture.

the green shroud line is one piece. the ends of the shroud line tie off to the deadeye.

thats another thing clearified.
im gonna continue ask questions about the terms.
lubbers hole...is what?
i know im supposed to attach the shrouds to the deadeyes,pretty obvious,but its the other side of it thats the problem,where to put the shrouds on the mast. 

CoreTech: This is a deadeye. It is used tighten the tension on all shrouds, some backstays and stays. Round deadeyes first came into  use during the mid-17th century, until they were replaced by turnbuckles in the late 19th century.

      Montani semper liberi !   Happy modeling to all and every one of you.

                             Crackers                  

Dead eye and rigging can be found here.

http://www.stevproj.com/DeadEye.pdf

Go to Amazon.com and look up the book I talked about before, you can see some of what is inside the book and there you will find examples of dead eyes and how to rig them too.

yeah but have you ever seen an english man speak swedish?
since english is the biggest international language itsmore common to hear that then swedish.
but i managed to cut of the shrouds successfully,and now i just need to paint the mast again (im using revells glue,wich you may know is acidic so it has "molten" down parts of the mast,so  you can see the original brown)
but can you explain what a deadeye is?
apparently your supposed to attach the shrouds to it.
thanks in advance
coretech 

CoreTech,

You are most decidedly NOT a pain!  Sailing ship modeling is possibly the most complex of all. You are learning as each of us has learned (and are learning still!).  Keep asking questions; we love our subject matter.  As for having to remove parts to repair mistakes, we have all had to do that.

As for language issues, your English is much better than my Swedish!

Bill Morrison

not pencils,i mean brushes
the word pencil is very similiar to the swedish word for brush 

hmm...its gonna be tuff removing the ratlines and shrouds since i used some very desperate methods...glueing it in place...and holding it back with thread.
but ill try,i saw on bigjakes photos that his own made shrouds look much better,so i think im gonna do that...more time more effort but more experience and better looks.its worth it.
and yet gain,i know im a pain in the ass,but whata heck is a deadeye.
enemeink,when i was checking this forum before i joined it,i saw your thread (i searched on airfixs wasa on google,so i ended up here) and your painting is truly magnificent!
i envy you,but i cant make so very detailed as you,since my pencils are cheap,old or ruined and i havent got all the ornament colours,only the ones airfix recommend. 
but ill try to cut of the shrouds,and post a photo on photobucket and show it too you guys.
thanks for all the help!!
this is an awesome forum. 

Thanks Bill!

and welcome to the forums Coretech.

This is how I attached the ratlines on my wasa. (I tried to take some photos but the camera was not cooperating....)

I drilled out the holes in the top deadeyes, listed as parts 172, 175, 171, 174 etc.  I then drilled a 2 larger holes on each side of the main top, (parts 185, 198 etc) and similar parts to run the shrouds. after that was done i started running the rigging from the first deadeye beginning at the front of the ship. I ran the first shroud line from the first deadeye on the right side of the ship through bottom of the hole in main top back down the hole on the other side to the other deadeye on the left side of the ship. yeah that might sound confusing but that's what i did.

Here's the build log that I did that Bill suggested. also on page 2 it will show you how to post pictures off of photobucket.com. I did most of my research from the Wasa musuem website. also there is an amazing website that shows the restoration of the wasa at www.wasadream.com

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Here is another fine book you may consider.

Rigging Period Ship Models: A Step-by-Step Guide to the Intricacies of the Square-Rig by Lennarth Petersson

Core Tech,

The term "Gingerbread" refers to the decorative carvings and figures around the ship. In Wasa's case, these carvings and figures were painted in very elaborate schemes instead of simply being painted in gold leaf.

Shrouds attach near the platforms, or tops, not the yardarm.  Actually, they are rigged through the "lubber's hole" in the tops and run down the other side. They also attach near the crosstrees on the upper parts of the masts.  If the kit contains injection-molded shrouds and ratlines, I would consider throwing them away and rigging them myself.

There are many terrific references that really help me, even after building sailing ships for over 50 years.  These are:

1. Ship Modeling from Stem to Stern by Milton Roth.

2. Historic Ship Models by Wolfram zu Mondfeld.

3. The Neophyte Shipmodeller's Jackstay By George F. Campbell.

4. The Rigging of Ships In The Days of the Spritsail Topmast, 1660-1720 by R.C. Anderson.  This one would be particularly helpful for rigging the Wasa.

5. The Art of Rigging by George Biddlecombe.

I hope that this helps!

Bill Morrison

oh...well...maybe its a little confusing for you then.
in the kit i got ratlines and shrouds ready to put on the ship (ratlines was attached to the shrouds)
so my problem is not attaching the ratlines,rather the shrouds to the ship.
should you put them up by the basket or the...beam that holds the sail? 

Core Tech,

Shrouds are the vertical support lines that support the masts and the ratlines.  The ratlines are the foot ropes ascending the shrouds.

Bill

if you can tell me how to upload pictures ill show you how it looks.

thanks for the warm welcome!
Bigjake:
I dont really know all the english nautical terms,but atleast you managed to understand me,is it called ratlines or shrouds?
unfortunatly im using the finished ones that comes with the kit,and the lower mains are also unfortunatly in place...in an ockward way,so i need to cut them if i want to remove them.
maybe its easier to as i said,cut them and then making my own?
since wasa (#2)is my first serious ship i have learned alot,mostly by mistakes,lucky that they doesnt show on the actual model.

but i was very dissapointed at the ratlines(?) since there is as i said a huge gap between the railing (? again with the terms) and the first horizontal rope.

Warshipguy: yes i know that the conservators,or scientists,whatever,think that it was red,but as i said:blue is one of my national colours and suits the ship very well.
the gold representing the cross and the blue lines representing the fields around it..
i dont know what a gingerbread is but i can assure you,my paintjob is very very detailed,since my last wasa ended up in disaster i want to make this a really good one.
only misstake was the deck,i couldnt decide if i wanted to use the original colour of the plastic or paint it with the supposed colour,so i glued the cannons and then found out that it fits with the colour airfix recommends.

Core Tech,

WELCOME!!!!  There are several earlier threads concerning the Airfix kit of Wasa. You might find detailed help there.  I seem to remember an excellent one by Enemeink.

As for painting the upper bulwarks blue, I believe the current research on the real ship shows that she was painted red. Be careful as well with painting the gingerbread gold . . . each figure was elaborately painted.

Again, welcome to the forum!

Bill Morrison

      Perhaps this picture of the VASA model might be of help.

   Montani semper liberi !     Happy modeling to all and every one of you.

                             Crackers        

Hi Rasse,

And  WELCOME, Are you hand tieing the shrouds or are you using the kit supplies plastic ones? IF you have not fixed the upper crowes nest in place, you may have to run the shrouds line the real ship.

1. Select a generous length of line (more then you'll need by 6 or8 " per side.

2. start at the top of the mast and feed the line thrrough the cross tree.

3. do this for each deadeye needed. once you have al the lines in place, you can go back and simply pinch off and tie the lines together on each side of the cross trees. Fix in place with ACC and then proceed to tie the correct end to the lower deadeye.

Hope this helps 

As far as the pictures go, first you need to place your pictures on a server somewhere (I use webshots) At the top of each reply screen you will see a "film strip" click that and paste your photo's weblink and post the pictures.

Jake