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p38jl

Hey.. dumb question... what is IMF and you say Bangor ? Bangor , where ?

Intermediate Maintenance Facility,  SubBase Bangor,  Bangor, WA (Kitsap Peninsula, across the Puget sound from Seattle)

Beautiful country and a beautiful base.  My company developed the Command & Control Team Trainer and Defensive Weapons Operator Trainers at TTF Bangor and TTF Kings Bay (TTF - Trident Training Facility).   Spent many hours there during their installation.  Goes back to the time when Silverdale had only one stoplight.   Is the Poplars motel still there?

It always caught me as strange that as you turn off the highway heading toward a submarine base you're heading toward the mountains.  The Olympics are to the west, across the Hood Canal

EdGrune

p38jl:

Hey.. dumb question... what is IMF and you say Bangor ? Bangor , where ?

 

Intermediate Maintenance Facility,  SubBase Bangor,  Bangor, WA (Kitsap Peninsula, across the Puget sound from Seattle)

Beautiful country and a beautiful base.  My company developed the Command & Control Team Trainer and Defensive Weapons Operator Trainers at TTF Bangor and TTF Kings Bay (TTF - Trident Training Facility).   Spent many hours there during their installation.  Goes back to the time when Silverdale had only one stoplight.   Is the Poplars motel still there?

It always caught me as strange that as you turn off the highway heading toward a submarine base you're heading toward the mountains.  The Olympics are to the west, across the Hood Canal

 hey.. thanks.. wasn't sure where you were.. We have a Bangor Maine, about 25 miles from my office... so I wasnt sure if you were close by or not.. lol..

Big Navy has fully embraced PC Doctrine at the expense of all other concerns.  I'll bet female pinning ceremony's will be limited to polite clapping while wearing white opera gloves and the occasional subdued "bravo".  Nothing but one big hand holding family now.   

Wow you might as well call them prostitutes ! I'm sure that is also how you would view your daughter if you have one or neice perhaps, if she were a sailor ? As someone to spend her watchbill on her knees, or on her back ? Truely ignorant, sad that someone can have such lopsided and simple minded view about women. It's even worse to know that someone like this has served our country and defended our freedom. The very freedom my wife provides him today. Sure she hasn't served on the front line, but she taught over 1100 young men and women how to, by operating nuclear reactors. Truely sad...

Non Sibi, Sed Patrea - Not for self, but country

I suppose PS1 has never been to sea, at least on a submarine.  If he had, he would know that there simply is no room or privacy for sexual activity, unless the perpetrators want to get caught (as in the case of gay men in the past who wanted to be discharged from the Navy).  Oh well, ignorance is bliss.

Again, women have proven themselves time and again as true naval professionals; get over your bigotries and accept reality.  It isn't PC; it is simply recognising that the Navy has real personnel assets who have something to offer the service and the nation.  It is also recognition that our great nation is all about equality, rights, and freedom, not about narrow-minded bigotry. Women have the same right to advance their chosen careers as do men. The last time I checked, this is still the United States of America, which is governed by the Constitution (which every service member swears to uphold and defend!)

Oh my, I even heard that women have the right to vote!  Civilization did not end in 1920 and it won't end with women attached to submarines.

Bill Morrison

My beef with Big Navy is that they put PC over everything now.  I'll bet that the officer in the OP's original comment is hugely qualified for the job, heck maybe even more than Rickover himself.  I'm just saying that the Navy is more concerned with it's image, it's just a side benefit when qualified people are placed in these billets and a disaster when some folks are fast tracked to show how diverse the Navy is.   

And...1: Yes I've been to sea, 2: I don't believe that I ever commented on sexual relations while at sea.  But if you must know my feelings about it...I don't support it.

My father, a career submarine officer of 25 years said it best in my opinion.  Nobody doubts anybody's qualifications or professionalism.  Sea Trials last a couple of weeks typically and women are qualified and able to go on sea trials but a patrol lasts several months and a submarine is not like a surface ship.  There is NO privacy and my father said that for women and men to serve on a submarine, you would have to have them able to be naked in each others' presence and there be no problems and if that is so, then there is a still different problem.  Have a boat with an all woman crew if you want to have women serve on subs but for the same reason that there was objection in the Air Force about women and men sharing a missile silo duty, there are the same types of objections for women on submarines.  In the military, all social conventions and mores and customs must take a back seat to combat readiness.  That is what the military is for.  If something is likely to make a unit regardless of branch of service, less effective you do not do it.  Yes people are able to control themselves but it is immoral to place a person in a situation that is certainly to tempt them to immoral action.  I agree that a co-ed submarine is a bad idea.

One of those seven admirals is my brother.  I am not ignorant of all of the ins and outs of this situation.  A submarine is as private as a locker room.  If men and women are capable of acting as adults (and I do not doubt that they are) then let's remove the men's and women's signs from locker room and restroom doors.

Curious as to why they should be naked together, or feel comfortable seeing each other nude ? I've worked on every single Boomer in the fleet, never once has another male seen me without clothes on. I've spent nearly 2 years at sea as a civilian on sea trials, shakedowns and through-out various ships and boats deployments. Including a trip with the Tiawan navy destroyers  4 month deployment from N.Charleston to their naval base, no one saw me naked on any of those. The USS Maine is slated to hit the PSNS in late 2011  for its "segregated" berthing and restroom/shower. Men and women don't see one another naked anywhere in the military, without dual consent of course. Why is this supposed to change ? It makes ZERO sense at all. Some of the people commenting on my post really need to do some more reading before they spout off a comment ! As for the idea of having an all female boat, they did that look it up ! I played 3 different sports in high school all 3 had different locker rooms for each sport and still no one saw me naked there either. The only privacy there was the language and what you said about girls or teachers and things like a playbook or signals. PLEASE do some more reading everyone !!! The links below will get  you started with the facts, not others opinions of facts or hearsay...  

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2010/10/navy-4-subs-to-get-women-crew-members-102110w/

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2010/05/navy_women_subs_051110w/

Comprehensive look at the female berthing 'refit'

http://militarytimes.com/multimedia/interactive/sub_berthing

Pavlvs

My father, a career submarine officer of 25 years said it best in my opinion.  Nobody doubts anybody's qualifications or professionalism.  Sea Trials last a couple of weeks typically and women are qualified and able to go on sea trials but a patrol lasts several months and a submarine is not like a surface ship.  There is NO privacy and my father said that for women and men to serve on a submarine, you would have to have them able to be naked in each others' presence and there be no problems and if that is so, then there is a still different problem.  Have a boat with an all woman crew if you want to have women serve on subs but for the same reason that there was objection in the Air Force about women and men sharing a missile silo duty, there are the same types of objections for women on submarines.  In the military, all social conventions and mores and customs must take a back seat to combat readiness.  That is what the military is for.  If something is likely to make a unit regardless of branch of service, less effective you do not do it.  Yes people are able to control themselves but it is immoral to place a person in a situation that is certainly to tempt them to immoral action.  I agree that a co-ed submarine is a bad idea.

One of those seven admirals is my brother.  I am not ignorant of all of the ins and outs of this situation.  A submarine is as private as a locker room.  If men and women are capable of acting as adults (and I do not doubt that they are) then let's remove the men's and women's signs from locker room and restroom doors.